Originally posted by Chris Cuilla
That is simply not the "primary aim" of those that are opposed to abortion.
What is then?
Those that oppose abortion believe that human life begins at conception and that abortion provides a legalized avenue to end a human life. It is really that simple.
That is fair enough. I acknowledge that, and they have a right to express that belief, to the same extent as those who believe that a woman, rather than big government, has the right to determine what she does with her
Those that support abortion
Nobody "supports abortion", as you allege; here's a classic instance of false framing. An abortion is a traumatic and potentially dangerous experience for a woman. The notion of "recreational abortions", or women having abortions "for the hell of it" is more than likely to be manufactured and bogus claptrap courtesy of the 'religious right' and their political cohorts.
believe that the "thing" inside of a woman's womb is not a human life or believe that it is a human life of lesser relative value. They assert it to be "merely a clump of cells" with the same emphatic certainty of truth as do those who believe it is an early stage human life. These folks also believe that women should have the choice to "terminate her pregnancy".
People have the right to believe either that life begins at conception (that is one extreme), or when the just-born starts breathing independently (thats the other extreme).
Stop trying to win through demonization.
Both sides are doing just that.
Now, as to the (direct) issues at hand:
1. Will this SD be overturned? Possibly...even probably...perhaps partially.
We will find out in due course.
2. Does making abortion illegal stop abortion? Well, no, of course not, no more than making stealing illegal stops people stealing...making murder illegal stops people from killing...or making speeding illegal stops people from speeding.
There is the issue in a nutshell. Murder, stealing and speeding (etc) involve independent human beings, the victms, with lives, histories, feelings, thoughts, jobs, sons, daughters, the trappings of *life*. Regarding 91% of abortions in the US
the termination involves an entirely different entity. That of course is not your belief, and what you
believe is not my
business, or anyone else's, just yours. Similarly, what I believe, after moral deliberation, is my business and mine only. It should not be a matter for lawmakers to determine, as this issue is a matter of personal
spiritual/moral/religious interpretation. What is not fair, is for a section of the population to determine the law based on their personal belief, and insist on imposing that belief upon the other, thereby making the action-as-determined-by-their-choice, based on that personal belief, punishable by law. Here is the difference. We all know
that an independent human is a life unto itself. Upon that fact we all agree, Regarding a clump of cells, it becomes a matter of personal opinion. Nobody is "right" or "wrong".
That same survey (apologies for quoting Fox, a fringe wacko news source, but they happen to be popular and mainstream), found that only 100 out of 1.6 million abortions
that happened in the US in 2002 were 3rd trimester terminations, contary to the pro-life mandated "child killer" mantra. This type of abortion (the type that the anti-choice movement try to equate to all abortions in their emotionally charged campaigns) is extremely rare and usually done for emergency medical reasons.
3. Despite #2, should it be made illegal? Well...I happen to believe it should. Not because I feel the compulsion to "control women's bodies", but because I have the moral conviction that abortion is the ending of a human life...essentially murder. So the same reason that I think a lot of other things ought to be illegal (rape, stealing, etc.) It is wrong to end a human life in this manner. You can disagree. Fine.
As I mentioned, we are all entitled to our beliefs. However, if the anti-choice movement feels that strongly about terminating an entity which might not even qualify as an independent lifeform, where is the outcry against state sanctioned pre-meditated murder, euphemistically known as "capital punishment"? "Pro-life" surely means just that, ie human life, all human life, not just an arbitrary distinction between those who are murderable and those who are not. People who are murdered by the state are independent (and some are innocent) human beings; but the point at which they started their
life (either at conception, or at birth, or at some time in between) is what is under dispute.
4. What will be the political ramifications of this action? I have no idea. I have generally giving up trying to read the political tea leaves. I am often wrong at predicting such things.
This issue has been heavily politicized, especially by the religious right. This is a problem for me because I do not agree that "big government" should be in the business of prying into, and exerting control over the health and reproductive issues of women, using threats of imprisonment for coercion.
5. Ultimately, I believe that this is a "heart matter"...in that until we live in a society in which children (ill-timed in their arrival or not) are valued above a "personal choice to control my own body", abortion will always have an unfortunate existence.
There you go. Lets be practical about it, and keep abortion safe, legal and rare. A proven way to achieve this is to raise the standards of education, (especially amongst women) in this country. It has been shown that when the womenfolk of "lesser developed" nations get educated, the birthrate plummets. Here in the US, a better educated populace would translate into far less "unwanted pregnancies". It seems a shame that the anti-choice movement would prefer to expend their energy into punishment, rather than education. Here is where the power over others motive seems apparent.
What a shame that education at home appears to be a lesser priority than killing folks overseas for profit.