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post #1 of 25
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personally i dont like the idea of booting my mac on Windows...but come to think of it...its great to have both side of the technology...

anyway if you want to try it you can download here


is it safe??? is it stable??? please give feedback...
post #2 of 25
yes, it works. no video drivers, bluetooth, sound isight do not work (yet). But I expect those will be patched soon. everything else works. Its actually an easy install and windows is very fast for such a legacy system.

This is now the first windows machine that I have ever had that was dead silent (didn't sound like a hair dryer) - it is this intel iMac. needless to say the windows portion will only be for games when the video and sound is fixed.
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post #3 of 25
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Originally posted by sandau
yes, it works. no video drivers, bluetooth, sound isight do not work (yet). But I expect those will be patched soon. everything else works. Its actually an easy install and windows is very fast for such a legacy system.

This is now the first windows machine that I have ever had that was dead silent (didn't sound like a hair dryer) - it is this intel iMac. needless to say the windows portion will only be for games when the video and sound is fixed.

how much of a negative effect does the absence of hardware graphics acceleration have for day to day use?
post #4 of 25
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Originally posted by sandau
Its actually an easy install and windows is very fast for such a legacy system.

Curious what you mean by 'legacy' system... it can't be the hardware...
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post #5 of 25
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Originally posted by sandau
yes, it works. no video drivers, bluetooth, sound isight do not work (yet). But I expect those will be patched soon. everything else works. Its actually an easy install and windows is very fast for such a legacy system.

This is now the first windows machine that I have ever had that was dead silent (didn't sound like a hair dryer) - it is this intel iMac. needless to say the windows portion will only be for games when the video and sound is fixed.

yes your correct a patch was just made and you can download it here

still havent tried it...im really scared... (do i need to be scared??)
post #6 of 25
Actually I'm not that fond of viruses! So I think i'll pass.
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post #7 of 25
So what's the story on this? Do you reboot from one OS to the other?
post #8 of 25
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Originally posted by iPeon
So what's the story on this? Do you reboot from one OS to the other?

Yep... you'd have to reboot each time you want to switch between OS X and Windows.

The 'holy grail' that most people are ..really.. looking for is a form of virtual-machine technology. We're not talking about *emulation* here (ala VirtualPC on the PowerMac) but instead, true 'full speed' virtual-machine support.

Kinda-sorta like what WINE provides **or** Exactly like what VMWare provides.

Consult "WINE, Emulation, and Other Virtual Machines" for some really good discussions and progress updates. That site also has a really good forum on "Dual Booting" too.

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post #9 of 25
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Originally posted by DaveGee
Yep... you'd have to reboot each time you want to switch between OS X and Windows.

The 'holy grail' that most people are ..really.. looking for is a form of virtual-machine technology. We're not talking about *emulation* here (ala VirtualPC on the PowerMac) but instead, true 'full speed' virtual-machine support.

Kinda-sorta like what WINE provides **or** Exactly like what VMWare provides.Dave

Until VMWare for OSX is released (2006 maybe), this will have to do. I think it will be some time yet before Wine could be usable for OSX under the Darwine project. The Windows on Mac project however is progressing very quickly.

There also is some rumours of Transitive (makers of Rosetta) providing some vm solution?. That said, people may prefer the full performance of Windows native than even under virtual machine - options are always better than none.
post #10 of 25
We have no Virtual PC for Intel Macs yet and I'm not holding my breath on that one nor do I really want that solution unless there are no others. What about this OpenOSX WinTel 2.1.2? How is that compared to VirtualPC? Is it as fast, slower?
post #11 of 25
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Originally posted by iPeon
We have no Virtual PC for Intel Macs yet and I'm not holding my breath on that one nor do I really want that solution unless there are no others. What about this OpenOSX WinTel 2.1.2? How is that compared to VirtualPC? Is it as fast, slower?

Both versiontracker.com and mac windows.com have user experiences for this product - needless to say its not positive and at $25 dont expect too much for now. They are using the qemu - which my understanding are building virtualization into qemu - but by the time they improve that open source dev to the point of being useful id expect vmware or even vpc would be better options.
post #12 of 25
Thanks for the sources.
post #13 of 25
Hi Guys,

I have followed Narf's instructions and my imac core duo is running well. When you turn the computer on you are greeted by a glass effect apple sign, you just hit enter to boot into Tiger or hit the down arrow to display a windows sign and hit enter for xp.

XP runs faster than on any PC I have used before and I'm chuffed that my Packard bell is now a ugly thing of the past.

All that we need now is for somebody to work out the driver problem for the x1600 and it will be complete.

I have been a mac user for about 12 months now and I know that for 95% of the time I will only use Tiger but it is really nice to have a choice.

Good luck to those who have a go !

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post #14 of 25
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Originally posted by Rosser
XP runs faster than on any PC I have used before and I'm chuffed that my Packard bell is now a ugly thing of the past.

Cool post!, ill let my friends know who are very keen to ditch their PC's. Is the install a bit of a pain (for novices?).
post #15 of 25
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Originally posted by hasapi
Cool post!, ill let my friends know who are very keen to ditch their PC's. Is the install a bit of a pain (for novices?).

It takes a bit of patience but the biggest pain for me was to make the slipstream disk because I had to upgrade to nero 7 first. After that it wasn't bad because the instuctions were spot on.

Dont be shy, give it a try ! 8)
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post #16 of 25
I am very confused of why people are interested in booting xp on a mac. I am about to make this huge switch to mac, and there are some mac lovers that want to be able to use windows on their machine. I just don't get it.
post #17 of 25
Well, you know how sometimes you see something that is so horrendously wrong that you can't tear your eyes away? How that creeping sense of morbid fascination takes over?

Same thing.
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post #18 of 25
or, one stupid program that your boss makes you run.

Or, that is only written for Windows.


Other than that I wouldn't bother.
post #19 of 25
Check out http://www.macbreak.com/ they have a nice video of getting XP on a new intel mac mini.
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post #20 of 25
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Originally posted by Rosser
It takes a bit of patience but the biggest pain for me was to make the slipstream disk because I had to upgrade to nero 7 first. After that it wasn't bad because the instuctions were spot on.

Dont be shy, give it a try ! 8)

I will - ive decided to get my wife a mac book (when theyre available) instead of a toshiba. I noticed there is no video acceleration does that affect performance (assumed), not going to be used for games anyway, just web, office and share trading software.
post #21 of 25
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Originally posted by TednDi
or, one stupid program that your boss makes you run.

Or, that is only written for Windows.


Other than that I wouldn't bother.

Precisely, so you would think after all these years Apple could have come up with some little (rosetta type) app in the background to allow the odd windows app to be executed?.

I suppose they dont want to be seen to be supporting windows - but for all intensive purposes - it is a windows world, and asking your customers to live in utopia is delusional.
post #22 of 25
'some little'...

Well, how about you take a look at the effort that has gone into Virtual PC, then add in the manhours devoted to WINE, and that might get you in the ballpark of something that would be horrendous to use.

(And the phrase is 'for all intents and purposes', not 'intensive purposes'.)
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post #23 of 25
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Originally posted by Kickaha
'some little'...

Well, how about you take a look at the effort that has gone into Virtual PC, then add in the manhours devoted to WINE, and that might get you in the ballpark of something that would be horrendous to use.

(And the phrase is 'for all intents and purposes', not 'intensive purposes'.)

Sorry unintentional!, but vpc is running trying to run an entire OS on top, and wine is tackling the problem(dll's) one app at a time. Granted, emulation was always required under PowerPC (although NT did indeed run on it), but under Intel the task of doing this is only a matter of time. Rumours of Transitive providing a solution is in the works would more than likely require apple's blessing, that or VMWare's virtual machine.
post #24 of 25
True, but it's hardly a 'little' endeavour.

It's actually a lot of fricking hard work.
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post #25 of 25
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Originally posted by Kickaha
True, but it's hardly a 'little' endeavour.

It's actually a lot of fricking hard work.

How hard would it be for VMWare to port its Linux version to OSX (bsd)? - the transitive solution however is as you said "a lot of fricking hard work"

Id say that is why the "onmac.net" project has achieved its much deserved "hero" status.
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