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post #1 of 22
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it's 6am, i just had this dream of flying over a beautiful misty forest, much like the daintree forests in queensland(?).

the triple point of existence conundrum was very clear to me.

we are all god, sentient, and neither at the same time.

take your friend, or a rock.

they are god. meaning inherently whether you believe in god or not you most likely sense there is something divine in it, something greater going on there, with your friend, with a rock, with a dolphin, with Esso/Exxon even.

they are also elements of sentience. meaning certain things have elements of a perception of sentience. the rock and whether you believe it or not the dolphin may not be sentient, but there is definitely a perception of sentience. let's say humans being sentient we can perceive, okay, this is a rock, formed by igneous or sedimentary processes, or, okay, this rock has atoms and subatomic particles. sentience perception is easiest when it comes to other people, one is like okay, this dude, or girl, is like, sentient, we are sentient, we can interact in independent but connected/sharing ideas ways.

now. here's the catch. we are neither of the above all at the same time.
1. for example, how is the rock God? what the fuck is god doing as a rock? or how can god be part of the evil conglomerate called Esso/Exxon? when your best friend fucks your girlfriend/boyfriend/ fucks you over how can they be god? and why would god be a little fish that 'lives' and swirls endlessly in your fishbowl?
2. next. how is rock sentient? it kinda just sits there. how is a fish sentient? it kinda just goes round and round. how is mankind sentient? you or i or george bush certainly do and have done things that aren't very sentient, god like, or intelligent sometimes.

so hence i have come to this conclusion of our current state of existence:
we are in the triple state of existence conundrum: god, sentience, and neither

of course in the dream when i was flying over the forest this was all so super clear to me.

yes i am on medication for bipolar disorder. rivopram, seroquel, xanax, lamictal, cipram, in a various regiment. but before being diagnosed with bipolar disorder i have always had a mystical/ wierd/ interested in transcendence tendency.
post #2 of 22
The Trinity.

Everything is three: passive, active and reconciling.

It's electrical
What is Faith? When your good deed pleases you and your evil deed grieves you, you are a believer. What is Sin? When a thing disturbs the peace of your heart, give it up - Prophet Muhammad
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post #3 of 22
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Wow, for some of you this post is total rubbish and you might hate me for writing this stuff. But for some of you it will make sense, I suspect. Try re-reading it while smoking pot/ doing e [warning: drugs are bad and evil ]
post #4 of 22
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Originally posted by segovius
The Trinity.

Everything is three: passive, active and reconciling.

It's electrical



cool. what are the equivalents to my comparison?
hm... god is passive, sentience is active, and neither is reconciling?
post #5 of 22
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Originally posted by sunilraman
Try re-reading it while smoking pot/ doing e

I always try that with your posts - it doesn't work
What is Faith? When your good deed pleases you and your evil deed grieves you, you are a believer. What is Sin? When a thing disturbs the peace of your heart, give it up - Prophet Muhammad
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post #6 of 22
If you wanna fly while awake, sunil, try ayahuasca (the dreamer) or San Pedro (the stalker). Met a weird guy in South America ... long story ... who had gone down there to take this stuff with a shaman, and he described how he could fly and brush the tops of the trees with his fingertips and, well, a lot of rambling about God and such. But it seemed pretty clear to him, at least.

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post #7 of 22
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Originally posted by bergz
If you wanna fly while awake, sunil, try ayahuasca (the dreamer) or San Pedro (the stalker). Met a weird guy in South America ... long story ... who had gone down there to take this stuff with a shaman, and he described how he could fly and brush the tops of the trees with his fingertips and, well, a lot of rambling about God and such. But it seemed pretty clear to him, at least.

--B



Heh. Given my current mental "illness" I have to "clean up my act" (no job no girlfriend no money my family is really worried) so I won't be taking any kind of Shamanic stuff anytime soon \
post #8 of 22
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Originally posted by bergz
If you wanna fly while awake, sunil, try ayahuasca (the dreamer) or San Pedro (the stalker). Met a weird guy in South America ... long story ... who had gone down there to take this stuff with a shaman, and he described how he could fly and brush the tops of the trees with his fingertips and, well, a lot of rambling about God and such. But it seemed pretty clear to him, at least.

--B

Are these items relatively easy to obtain?
What is Faith? When your good deed pleases you and your evil deed grieves you, you are a believer. What is Sin? When a thing disturbs the peace of your heart, give it up - Prophet Muhammad
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post #9 of 22
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Originally posted by segovius
Are these items relatively easy to obtain?

I can't explain it better than the Legal Status and Legality sections of the two Wiki articles that I posted.

Of course, the guy I was talking to strongly urged me to only try them under the guidance of a shaman.

This was 8 years ago, but the guy gave me this info:

books about these "plant medicines"

Wizard of the Upper Amazon
The Way of the Shaman
The Cosmic Serpent

And I'd throw in there, as if segovius hadn't already read all of them, Carlos Casteneda's series.

There are websites where you can get in touch with shamans so that they can prepare the stuff for you and all. I believe his shot of Ayahuasca cost $1450, though he got a huge reduction for some reason.. But he said that ever since he took the Ayahuasca he's been unplugged from the Matrix, and has never thought the same way again (this was b4 the movie, but you get me...)

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post #10 of 22
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When I used to hang out in New Age circles a few years back someone told me that when you take this stuff, you meet a certain "being" (God?) and that you pretty much go insane after that. \
post #11 of 22
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Originally posted by segovius
The Trinity.

Everything is three: passive, active and reconciling.

It's electrical


Yes, yes....... in christian terms my dream was actually about god(god), the holy spirit(neither god nor sentience) and christ(sentience).
post #12 of 22
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Originally posted by segovius
I always try that with your posts - it doesn't work


ROFLMAO
post #13 of 22
In hunter-gatherer cultures they find 'uses' for people like you, sunilraman, as they have since the Paleolithic. They don't give them medicines, or 'treatments', or make them pariahs, or worry about them.

They make them ritual specialists, shamans, sangomas, and use their special gifts and insights to the material benefit of everyone in the camp; they don't see them as 'ill' at all.

Your first post reads like a textbook shamanic account: flight, an understanding of the interconnectedness of 'creation' and the desire to share it with others. So I say 'thanks', and I thought your post was fucking brilliant.
post #14 of 22
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Thank you. I am humbled by your praise. I continue to pray for balance, sustainability and the opportunity to explore my interest in these "shamanic issues" in synchronicity with living in "the real world". At just 27 with such deep insightful ability I think I've got a lot of potential. It's just that up next is integrating a sustainable (read income) lifestyle into the whole shebang.
post #15 of 22
Drugs are bad, kids.
post #16 of 22
I agree, drugs are bad.

That's the other thing: in shamanic cultures you get trained. Someone will be on hand to teach you which roots to grind and sniff up your nose or which fungus to eat, and when, and they'll have a few hundred generations of accumulated knowledge on which to draw.

Oh, and the training's not necessarily what we'd call... fun.
post #17 of 22
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Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
I agree, drugs are bad.

That's the other thing: in shamanic cultures you get trained. Someone will be on hand to teach you which roots to grind and sniff up your nose or which fungus to eat, and when, and they'll have a few hundred generations of accumulated knowledge on which to draw.

Oh, and the training's not necessarily what we'd call... fun.

Drugs are bad, kids.
post #18 of 22
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Originally posted by Placebo
Drugs are bad, kids. [/B]

Bad drugs. Naughty drugs! They need a damn good spanking.

Perhaps it's the "abuse, or even the inappropriate use of drugs" that is bad?
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"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming". VP Cheney, 3/29/2006. Interview by Tony Snow
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post #19 of 22
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Hence our discussion that "shamanic" use of drugs is the non-illicit, good use of drugs
post #20 of 22
If drugs are bad, why do they sponsor the evening news?
post #21 of 22
Hang on.

Drugs are fun.

Drugs are fun, too.
post #22 of 22
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Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
Hang on.

Drugs are fun.

Drugs are fun, too.

It only took you 2782 tries to achieve the perfect post.

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