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I am officially done with Safari

post #1 of 52
3/31/06 at 9:02pm
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All of my Mac web browser wet dreams have finally come true (plus more). I'm officially switchig to shiira.

I'm even going so far as to take the Safari icon out of my Dock. Good bye Safari, I'll miss you but you just haven't made the cut.
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post #2 of 52
3/31/06 at 9:17pm
Any reasons why?

I thought Shiira used safari's web engine?
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post #3 of 52
3/31/06 at 9:25pm
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It does but it has so many other features built in that are great! Moveable tabs, ability to switch between brushed metal and variations of Aqua, a side bar for bookmarks and downloads, more than just google in the search field, the little button at the top right hand corner that gets rid of everything to have pretty much full screen browsing, tab Expose!?!?! And a bunch of tiny little things that just make it more customizable. It goes on and on.

I'm gushing right now I'm so happy to have found this browser! All I can say is that it's insanly great!
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post #4 of 52
3/31/06 at 9:29pm
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I jsut keep finding more and more features! I can set it so when I close a tab, it goes to the last selected tab OR the tab to the right. This is great, I've always wanted this but Safari has never delivered (except maybe, possibly in an obscure add on which may or may not be free).
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post #5 of 52
3/31/06 at 10:46pm
shiira seems like a really nice browser with some great features. if only the toolbar buttons weren't so ugly.
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post #6 of 52
3/31/06 at 11:30pm
and a bit more stable...
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post #7 of 52
3/31/06 at 11:46pm
Shiira does have some innovative features. But, sadly, it lacks Safari's elegance.
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post #8 of 52
4/1/06 at 6:37am
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There are a lot of different toolbar buttons to choose from. You can even make you're own.

I've actually always felt that the Safari toolbar buttons were kinda ugly. I like some of the ones that come with Shiira (although I agree that some are butt ugly).
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post #9 of 52
4/1/06 at 9:38am
SafariStand (free) gives some of these features you've mentioned into Safari, try that out. Also has a flashblock-like ability.
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post #10 of 52
4/1/06 at 9:40am
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I was already running Safari Stand. it gave me a couple other features but not all of them like Shiira does.

Apple is going to have to make some huge changes to Safari if they want me back.
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post #11 of 52
4/1/06 at 12:07pm
Shiira crashes too much for me. I would just go here to get some Safari mods:

http://pimpmysafari.com/plugins/

I use Taboo to give me a warning when closing multiple tabs. I'm going to try safari block too.

As for the brushed metal, you can always get the unifier app on that site or my personal preference uno:

http://gui.interacto.net/

That will take brushed metal from your system as well as the daft pinstripes. You can also use an app called Iridium but it needs 10.4.5 installed.
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post #12 of 52
4/1/06 at 2:47pm
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Shiira hasn't crashed yet for me.
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post #13 of 52
4/1/06 at 2:55pm
Have you tried Firefox? Most/all the features you mention are included and there are tons of themes and plugins and extensions that you can get to go along with it.
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post #14 of 52
4/1/06 at 4:05pm
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Originally posted by mynamehere
Have you tried Firefox? Most/all the features you mention are included and there are tons of themes and plugins and extensions that you can get to go along with it.

and fasterfox extention makes the thing render everything as fast or faster than any windows box I have ever used
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post #15 of 52
4/1/06 at 4:12pm
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Originally posted by mynamehere
Have you tried Firefox? Most/all the features you mention are included and there are tons of themes and plugins and extensions that you can get to go along with it.

On Windows Firefox is a great browser. But on the Mac... It simply lacks that Macintosh feeling...
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post #16 of 52
4/1/06 at 4:32pm
Camino. Try Camino (though Shiira is nice too).
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post #17 of 52
4/1/06 at 6:26pm
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I have pretty much every browser made for the Mac on my computer. Firefox is good but I don't feel like downloading all the plugins to make it great and, as someone stated above, it doesn't have the Mac feel (I also find it slower than Safari). Camino is ok but I had some problems with it and don't like how it looks either (too much empty space).

Sorry, I'm sticking with Shiia. Why is everyone so upset about this?
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post #18 of 52
4/2/06 at 7:38am
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Originally posted by Gene Clean
Camino. Try Camino (though Shiira is nice too).

I like Camino for it's simplicity, but nothing beats Opera. In my opinion it's the fastest most stable browser out there. I'm not a big Safari fan for it's instability and memory hog issues.
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post #19 of 52
4/2/06 at 7:45am
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Originally posted by Sekio
Why is everyone so upset about this?

Fan-boy love for (Apple) Safari, no biggy. It's hard to criticize anything Apple related here without getting the "no way are you crazy" rebuttal. Between you and me I don't use any (i)software from Apple because they lack in features. Except for iSync, I need it for my Nokia 9500.
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post #20 of 52
4/2/06 at 4:43pm
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Originally posted by Relic
Fan-boy love for (Apple) Safari, no biggy. It's hard to criticize anything Apple related here without getting the "no way are you crazy" rebuttal. Between you and me I don't use any (i)software from Apple because they lack in features. Except for iSync, I need it for my Nokia 9500.

I could understand this if everyone didn't want me to leave Safari but there seems to be an "anything but Shiira" thing going on.
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post #21 of 52
4/2/06 at 6:08pm
It's pure fanboism. Ignore it. I like Shiira and use it ocassionally. My main browser is Camino, followed by Firefox. I have Camino set to identify as Firefox so it works with almost all pages that require Firefox in one way or another.

Safari may be more frequently used when it's ad-blocking doesn't suck compared to AdBlock and/or CamiTools.
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post #22 of 52
4/2/06 at 7:36pm
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wow, tab expose is nice! and it even spaces them out evenly, unlike expose's normal "i'll fit the window wherever there's room, darn it."
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post #23 of 52
4/2/06 at 8:21pm
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Yah, tab expose is neat as hell. I never use it though because I never think of it but I'm sure I'll use it more and more as I remember it's there.
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post #24 of 52
4/3/06 at 7:55am
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Originally posted by Sekio
All of my Mac web browser wet dreams have finally come true (plus more).

Enjoy them while you can. The older you get, the less you have.
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post #25 of 52
4/3/06 at 10:13am
I'll stick with my G4 processor optimized Camino with CamiTools installed. It is the best combination that I have found.
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post #26 of 52
4/3/06 at 10:28am
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Originally posted by Sekio
Sorry, I'm sticking with Shiia. Why is everyone so upset about this?

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Originally posted by Relic
Fan-boy love for (Apple) Safari, no biggy. It's hard to criticize anything Apple related here without getting the "no way are you crazy" rebuttal. Between you and me I don't use any (i)software from Apple because they lack in features. Except for iSync, I need it for my Nokia 9500.

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Originally posted by Gene Clean
It's pure fanboism. Ignore it. I like Shiira and use it ocassionally. My main browser is Camino, followed by Firefox. I have Camino set to identify as Firefox so it works with almost all pages that require Firefox in one way or another.

Safari may be more frequently used when it's ad-blocking doesn't suck compared to AdBlock and/or CamiTools.

WTF are ya'll talking about? Read the thread. A few people think Shiira isn't as elegant, a few think it isn't as stable, a few suggest Safari add ons that extend functionality and most suggest other, non-Apple browsers that they like over Safari.

Nobody is getting "upset", nobody is claiming the Sekio is "crazy", nobody is being a "fanboi".

I think you need to readjust your instruments.
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post #27 of 52
4/3/06 at 12:08pm
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Originally posted by addabox
A few people think Shiira isn't as elegant, a few think it isn't as stable, a few suggest Safari add ons that extend functionality and most suggest other, non-Apple browsers that they like over Safari.

I've never heard of it until now.
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post #28 of 52
4/3/06 at 12:31pm
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Originally posted by Sekio
Sorry, I'm sticking with Shiia. Why is everyone so upset about this?

Because they all hate a single bad word agaisnt SJ or apple. They have little logic about the whole thing and just take it as a personal isnult.

Personally i can never see a reason to switch a browser unless you are trying to make a point. But i am sure you are not doing that, and this is meerly my opinion.
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post #29 of 52
4/3/06 at 12:38pm
Opera and Firefox are the only two real browsers left in my opinion. Their standards-compliance, extensibility, and stability are excellent. Not being able to change themes and add plugins is a serious drawback with Safari.
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post #30 of 52
4/3/06 at 12:42pm
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Originally posted by Placebo
Opera and Firefox are the only two real browsers left in my opinion. Their standards-compliance, extensibility, and stability are excellent. Not being able to change themes and add plugins is a serious drawback with Safari.

To be honest, so few people care about add-ins and plugins. I am more geekier than most and the only thing i have downloaded is a wikipedia search opetion, but thats only cos i am an editor there!

And with Firefox i disagree with your standards compliance thing utterly. When i built a website, i had FAR more problems compiling it for firefox than ANYTHING else. And so far, i have never had a problem with safari, not a single one. So apart from that, do i have a reason to switch over? NO

and neither do most people.
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post #31 of 52
4/3/06 at 1:00pm
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Originally posted by crampy20
And with Firefox i disagree with your standards compliance thing utterly. When i built a website, i had FAR more problems compiling it for firefox than ANYTHING else.

That's pretty strange given that IE6/7 totally fail in any standards test.

The problem may be in your coding, rather than Firefox's support for standards.

I think Konqueror 3.5.2 is a pretty decent browser as well.
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post #32 of 52
4/3/06 at 1:03pm
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Originally posted by Gene Clean
That's pretty strange given that IE6/7 totally fail in any standards test.

The problem may be in your coding, rather than Firefox's support for standards.

I think Konqueror 3.5.2 is a pretty decent browser as well.

True

But whenever i type code and then pass it through the IE checker... hey wait there isnt one, i suppose macromedia just PRESUMES there wont be a problem.

And as for the "standards test" i can be 99% sure that that was false press aimed to stab MS. Think about all the false press apple gets? well that ANYTHING gets?

never trust people with priorities.
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post #33 of 52
4/3/06 at 1:35pm
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Originally posted by crampy20
Because they all hate a single bad word agaisnt SJ or apple. They have little logic about the whole thing and just take it as a personal isnult.

Sorry, don't mean to belabor this because it is somewhat OT, but, again, WTF are you talking about?

Where in this thread is anyone saying anything that could be construed as what you describe?

The notion seems to be that an assertion of preference of a third party app over Apple's version is simply objectively correct, meaning that the only possible reason anyone would respond that they prefer the Apple offering is witless, irrational "fanboiism",

I almost get the feeling that there's sort of a reverse snobbery going on, whereby the effort to "prove" that one is a hard-nosed computer user, with nothing in common with those awful "Maclots", leads to calling out "zealots" whether they're around or not.

Not helpful, and sort of irritating on what is, after all, a Mac user's enthusiast site.
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post #34 of 52
4/3/06 at 1:52pm
I retract my unpresendented unprovoked rude bigot comment
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post #35 of 52
4/3/06 at 1:57pm
Sorry i just read your comment whereas before i didnt, i just replied to make you happy.

My problem is that Apple fans are so (excuse me) fucking unrealistic.

I was saying that the reason that everyone under the sun was shouting at this guy for switching from safari was not based on logic or truth or fact. It was based on the fact that they had dared slander apple's software then made stupid comments (which reveals their real ignorance) about reasons to keep safari. JUST TO KEEP ANOTHER MACO.

A single bad work results in thousands of people slagging of the guy without really taking the situation or actually reading the whole thing! Most of it is completly unprecendented and well stupid. Mac users think they are so superior cos they are using a mac, ask them to give you a reason and they will come up with BS that is so easy to proove wrong.

I love apple... dont get me wrong. A little realism here and there wont hurt.
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post #36 of 52
4/3/06 at 2:06pm
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Originally posted by crampy20
I was saying that the reason that everyone under the sun was shouting at this guy for switching from safari was not based on logic or truth or fact. It was based on the fact that they had dared slander apple's software then made stupid comments (which reveals their real ignorance) about reasons to keep safari. JUST TO KEEP ANOTHER MACO.

See, you're still missing the point. The point is no one was shouting at all. Seriously, go back and read through the thread again. It was some perfectly reasonable discussion with some people prefering other 3rd party browsers, and some people prefering safari.
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post #37 of 52
4/3/06 at 3:57pm
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Originally posted by Flounder
See, you're still missing the point. The point is no one was shouting at all. Seriously, go back and read through the thread again. It was some perfectly reasonable discussion with some people prefering other 3rd party browsers, and some people prefering safari.

Right. Believe me, it's not like I think it's impossible for Apple fans to work up a head of steam, it's just that in this case they haven't.

I think this is a case of carrying over some feelings from another discussion?
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post #38 of 52
4/3/06 at 6:11pm
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Originally posted by addabox
Not helpful, and sort of irritating on what is, after all, a Mac user's enthusiast site.

Yeah and third-party apps are Mac apps, so no reason for you to get 'irritated' because someone preferes them over Apple's apps.
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post #39 of 52
4/3/06 at 11:00pm
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Originally posted by Gene Clean
Yeah and third-party apps are Mac apps, so no reason for you to get 'irritated' because someone preferes them over Apple's apps.

OK, now I'm wondering if there's something in the water? You can't possibly be that obtuse.

If you have read what I've had to say about the oddly unmotivated name calling and decided that my point is that I'm bugged because people are using third party apps, I honestly don't know what to tell you.
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post #40 of 52
4/4/06 at 4:06am
Now i really dont know whos talking to who....

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sigh
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