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Although it has done so subtly, Apple Computer has slowly been addressing issues with its new MacBook Pro notebooks and now appears to be shipping a fourth minor revision of the Intel-based computers.

While the MacBook Pro has been receiving praise and stellar reviews from mainstream media outlets, its earliest adopters have had some quibbles.

They've discovered issues where AirPort does not automatically rejoin a preferred network after waking up from sleep and where the signal will randomly and abruptly drop to single-bar strength.

Some of the first MacBook Pros also packed LCD displays that have a tendency to flicker uncontrollably when the brightness is set to the lowest setting. Then, of course, there is the issue of heat.

According to DailyTech, some MacBook Pros get so hot they can barely be handled or placed on a bare lap. The notebooks are especially hot in the area above the F keys and underneath the notebook itself.

However, Apple told the publication that the MacBook Pro should never become this hot. A representative said "that should not happen. If it is, bring back your MacBook Pro and we'll give you an updated version."

In speaking to Apple representatives, DailyTech also discovered that Apple is working to rectify all of the aforementioned issues, and is doing so by quietly and consistently updating the logicboard it ships in each new MacBook Pro.

The company is reportedly up to the third or fourth revision of the logicboard. Revision D models reportedly begin with W8611, and revision C with W8610. The change in serial numbers along with the logicboard revision may be a coincidence in this case, as the two trailing digits (i.e. "10" and "11") may also represent the week in which the notebook was produced. [updated]

Still, Apple reportedly said that revision D and later MacBook Pros include fixes to several known issues, as well as those mentioned earlier. However, it's unclear if either of the revisions put to rest the very uncomfortable whining noise discovered by several MacBook Pro owners. So far, the only way to silence the issue is by launching a widget or PhotoBooth each time the notebooks reboot.

Meanwhile, Apple continues to fill a steady stream of orders for the MacBook Pro and appears to have reached a supply and demand balance on the notebooks through its online store -- now reflecting 24 hour ship times. Overall availability remains spotty.

Another major outlet offering same day shipping on the MacBook Pro is Amazon.com, which as an added bonus is offering $150 off both the 1.83GHz model and the 2.0GHz model.
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At least there are less reasons now to not buy it. Apple is weighing too much on the MBP to site idle as people complain. Maybe the Nano scratch fiasco scared the sufficiently.
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I have a Rev D MBP (W8611...) and it has a problem with squealing and is VERY hot. My Rev A PB12" is much cooler and that's a scorcher. Apple has been easy to work with on this issue. I have my 12" to use while I have this repaired, so it'll work out ok.

With Update 10.4.6 Apple fixed some nasty software-related problems I was experiencing, most notably connecting to LEAP networks.

This thing is VERY fast, but the iMac Core Duo is faster at the same GHz rating. It's probably the hard drive that makes the difference.

All-in-all I'm very happy with this machine. Sounds like the quality control issues are getting ironed out. Once we see that for sure I'll begin recommending this platform in earnest.
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So why do "discovered issues" and "never become this hot" link to amazon?

Odd.
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Nice to know they're doing there bit sorting these glicthes!
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Originally posted by Naraa Haras
I have a Rev D MBP (W8611...) and it has a problem with squealing and is VERY hot.

For ref, below is the link and meat of the original Daily Tech article.

I just got my MBP last week, and (by serial number) it seems to be one of the new rev D models described below.

- I haven't noticed any Airport connectivity issues.
- My screen does not flicker on lowest brightness.
- Does get very warm, but not uncomfortably.
- But I still definitely experience the CPU idle whine.

re: Idle whine, this seems to be an Intel issue, so not something Apple could (or would want to patch) via hardware. The new process hack does cure it, so maybe a simple OS software patch that always kept a thread running in both cores would be sufficient.

One thing not mentioned below is the lower battery endurance when one core is switched off. I haven't gotten around to testing this myself, but many have reported it. Doesn't make sense to me, since the CPU should draw less power when running half the circuitry, right?

Would love to get a grokkable explanation from an EE.

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http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1584

Despite its popularity as a "must have" Apple product, the MacBook Pro is encountering a lot of issues. Many users are reporting similar issues to the ones I pointed out. To recap from my blog:
  • AirPort does not automatically rejoin a preferred network after waking up from sleep mode. This does not happen with my PowerBook. Settings are the same.
  • AirPort would drop down to nearly 1 block randomly once in a while. This also does not happen with my PowerBook.
  • At the lowest screen brightness setting (one block), the LCD's backlight flickers noticeably. This is pretty annoying.
  • Heat is a big issue. The MacBook Pro gets so hot that I cannot place it on my lap if I'm wearing shorts. And even if I am wearing pants (instead of shorts), it's still very uncomfortable. Using the AC power, the palm rest area becomes very warm, and the area above the F keys is very hot. I do not notice this with the PowerBook.
We have confirmed with several MacBook Pro owners that these problems do in fact exist, and are not just isolated issues. While being at the forefront of technology is great, early adopters often find themselves with products that have shipped with a few quirks yet to be addressed.

I spoke with Apple over the weekend, and to my surprise, some of the issues are well known. Known well enough in fact, that Appe has already started addressing these issues in updated MacBook Pros. According to Apple, it has begun replacing the mainboard inside its MacBook Pros with a new revision. It calls the udpated product "revision D", which is identifiable by product serial number.

Serial numbers starting with W8611: revision D
Serial numbers starting with W8610: revision C
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My MacBook Pro's serial number is W86099*****, and it does not appear to have any problems with the screen or otherwise. I have had it for a few weeks now, and used it 24/7, so I think I would have noticed any issues if there were any.

Also using it in a very quiet environment, and this thing is one of the most silent laptops I have ever owned. Heat seems to be about the same as my previous PowerBook 1.67GHz, sometimes slightly cooler and sometimes slightly warmer. I can certainly use it on my lap for for extended periods without it getting uncomfortable.
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It also never had any problems rejoining Airport networks automatically upon waking up, even with Mac OS X 10.4.5, and bluetooth works very well (I get twice the speed compared to my previous PowerBook).

Judging from other people I know that have purchased MacBook Pro's, and who also have not had any problems, the following seems to be the case: most MacBook Pro's have been fine, however some people have had issues. Apple is addressing those issues. This is quite normal with products such as computers: when you roll out a new product, you might expect DOA (dead on arrival) rate to be somewhat elevated, due to unforeseen issues that did not show up during testing, and you subsequently tweak your production line by releasing minor revisions that take care of the issues.
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Originally posted by imiloa

- But I still definitely experience the CPU idle whine.

re: Idle whine, this seems to be an Intel issue, so not something Apple could (or would want to patch) via hardware. The new process hack does cure it, so maybe a simple OS software patch that always kept a thread running in both cores would be sufficient.

How does this affect battery life? Could the whine be related to one or two processor cores taking a nap and reducing thereby their power consumption significantly? If so, than the hack of always keeping a thread running could reduce the battery life noticeably.
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According to DailyTech, some MacBook Pros get so hot they can barely be handled or placed on a bare lap. The notebooks are especially hot in the area above the F keys and underneath the notebook itself.


This is the exact problem that I had posted about previously and no one in this forum thought that it was a problem. I am now relieved that I am not insane.
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This is why I personally never buy a new model car, computer, or new peice of technology within the first six months to a year it is released. Always something wrong "bugs" that need to be tweaked. As a result of rushing the release to meet consumer demand before its truly refined and ready.

I really want one of these though. Tough call. I think maybe January 2007 after new versions are available and Photoshop gets closer to universal.
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I was just wondering if using EFI this early might have anything to do with it because I don't think anyone else is really using it yet. Microsoft doesn't (seem to) even want to use EFI with Vista yet; it sounds as though OS X is quite ready for Intel; the article says that logic boards are what's being updated, that's why I ask.
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I was just wondering if using EFI this early might have anything to do with it because I don't think anyone else is really using it yet. Microsoft doesn't even want to use EFI with Vista yet;

Well, *that's* an interesting spin on "MS blew it adding EFI support" I hadn't seen before...
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Mine is in the rev. E range - had it for a week now.

- It has good fit between the top & base,
- there is no whine of any kind (other than the one I hear all the time now);
- compared to my MDD PM, it's silent enough, and at least as fast;
- (have been unable to really put it thrugh its paces yet);
- Airport connectivity issue was solved by the 4.6 update last night;
- the space between the F-keys & the screen gets hot - snatch-your-hand-away hot, so that prob is still with the rev.E (SN W861203...)...(not good - I suppose I'll have to send in my otherwise fine machine).

Wish now that I'd popped for the 7200rpm HD - buying a replacement is more than twice Apple's upgrade price.
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...kinda like, maybe Intel said to Apple, "Well, we can't give you first dibs on anything because that wouldn't be fair to Michael Dell, but one of our engineers says he can have a working beta if you really want to ship EFI with the CoreDuo in March...Oh... and now that Microsoft backed out, we won't be developing any more EFI for another 2 years. Sorry."
I hope I'm wrong.
On hte other hand, I also remember reading about Apple hiring a bunch of BIOS developers many months back, although I just assumed it was because they wanted to add more features like firewire boot or something.
Actually, I think Apple likes doing thier own firmware, so it will probably turn out better than anything PC's will have. Is that what they are doing?
Or are they "working with Intel" and Intel is gonna copy everything that they do?
What might be nice is if they work together and everything ends up the same, but the Mac is always years ahead of the competition.
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Dumb question...can MacTels do Target Disk/Boot?

That's always been something that is just like ummm wtf when I use PCs and it's missing. I use it probably once every week or two.
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This is why I personally never buy a new model car, computer, or new peice of technology within the first six months to a year it is released. Always something wrong "bugs" that need to be tweaked. As a result of rushing the release to meet consumer demand before its truly refined and ready.

I really want one of these though. Tough call. I think maybe January 2007 after new versions are available and Photoshop gets closer to universal.

Hopefully by this fall when merom comes out, these issues will be completely resolved. I'm hoping for a 2ghz Merom MBP for $1999.
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Dumb question...can MacTels do Target Disk/Boot?

Yes, through FireWire.
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Originally posted by rebel_without_a_pc
...kinda like, maybe Intel said to Apple, "Well, we can't give you first dibs on anything because that wouldn't be fair to Michael Dell, but one of our engineers says he can have a working beta if you really want to ship EFI with the CoreDuo in March...Oh... and now that Microsoft backed out, we won't be developing any more EFI for another 2 years. Sorry."

Well actually, EFI is a public standard, and has been out for, what, two years? Three? Dell actually shipped an EFI machine back in, I think, Q4 2004.

It's not like it was a big ol' secret inside Intel, or that it's a new unproven technology. MS is still supporting EFI on Vista Server (64bit), but has decided to drop it for the consumer versions. Simply put, they couldn't make schedule. When that happens, features get dropped. Since there aren't too many EFI machines out there yet (even though it was supposed to be one of the Next Big Things in Windows boxes this next year due to Vista support), it actually made sense to make it a low priority for now.
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Mine is in the rev. E range - had it for a week now.

- It has good fit between the top & base,
- there is no whine of any kind (other than the one I hear all the time now);
- compared to my MDD PM, it's silent enough, and at least as fast;
- (have been unable to really put it thrugh its paces yet);
- Airport connectivity issue was solved by the 4.6 update last night;
- the space between the F-keys & the screen gets hot - snatch-your-hand-away hot, so that prob is still with the rev.E (SN W861203...)...(not good - I suppose I'll have to send in my otherwise fine machine).

Wish now that I'd popped for the 7200rpm HD - buying a replacement is more than twice Apple's upgrade price.

I'm not noticing "snatch your hand away hot" with my revision E. hmmm.... it gets pretty hot, but not horribly. I doubt I'll have to turn mine in is all. So far, its been a super great machine.
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So far its looking good that Apple hasn't released other MacBook Pro systems. Let them work these kinks out with the 15" model before releasing 17" and other sizes.

The big question is, are there these number of issues with the iMacs and Minis? Or are they still on Rev A problem free?
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A friend complaining of the heat issue AND the airport disconnect-on-sleep issue called his Apple Store's Genius Bar. They referred him to SOS-APPLE to see about getting his MacBook Pro replaced (as Apple suggested in the article). He was given no way to do so.

Anyone else?
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post #23 of 49
Revision E here, arrived last Monday. So far so good.

And folks? The bar above the function keys is "supposed" to be very hot -- it's right above the fan exhaust near the end. You'd be a fool to return your machine because of that, and no, it won't be fixed, not in Rev F, not in Rev G, not in Rev Z.

Just... don't touch it. I mean, why would you? Keep your hands on the keyboard. There's no reason to touch that area. There's nothing there! Problem solved.
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Moral of the story: use Intel for the CPU, but don't depend on them for anything else.

The sort of problems they are having sound very PC like, and I don't want PC like problems in a Mac.
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Don't get me wrong - faithful Mac user since my first 600mhz iBook G3.

My MacBook is being sent out tomorrow for serious repair or a replacement (more likely).

I'm getting the whirring noise (I honestly can't stand it at all, it really bothers me), it won't wake from sleep (have to hold down power key), the trackpad occasionally doesn't respond for about 5 seconds, it drops out from AirPort networks, and it overheats severely above the F1,F2, etc. keys.

Apple had me boot off the DVD install disc, and hold D. This booted up into Apple Hardware Diagnostics. It came up with an error, and the Apple tech on the phone told me it meant i had a Logic Board failure.

This is a Rev. D MBP (W86111.......)

He told me they would most likely put my Hard Drive in a new MBP and ship it to me within 7-10 business days. Yikes. Not what I expected from a rev. d. $2000+ computer.

I love the machine itself, less its faults, and look forward to getting a revised edition...if the new one keeps making the whine though...which bothers me very very much....I think I might see if I can get a refund, it really is that bad for me at least.
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i'm debating on returning mine if they gave me a new version.


my MB only seems to have the cpu whine, however i did experience the lcd whine (brightness whine) once, never again though? how is that possible? maybe i shoudl test it.


anyways, besides that the machine is a dream and i'm afraid to return it, what if i get a worse computer?


oh, and the trackpad clicker seems to be loose.


is that normal? its kind of squeeshy , i dont think its supposed to be.
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Apple stuff is so confusingly put together it all falls apart.

For instance after 2 weeks of my G5 imac.

-foot became misaligned
-screen was rested straight (170 degrees ~)
-the back was loose and if you push it softly you can feel movement and hear it too.
-The screen is loose at the corners and the color faded a bit.
-Some of the port alignments were off, and i just could not get the modem lead out.
-Everything became instantly dirty, grime gathered everywhere.

ho hum.
post #28 of 49
i have an old (ha.. old) MacBook Pro, its W8607XXXXXX series. It did have a bad buzzing LCD inverter, but i swapped that part out and it fixed it. I can faintly hear the CPU idle whine if its quite enough in the room. Other than that its great, there are none of the other listed problems.
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Originally posted by crampy20
Apple stuff is so confusingly put together it all falls apart.

For instance after 2 weeks of my G5 imac.

-foot became misaligned
-screen was rested straight (170 degrees ~)
-the back was loose and if you push it softly you can feel movement and hear it too.
-The screen is loose at the corners and the color faded a bit.
-Some of the port alignments were off, and i just could not get the modem lead out.
-Everything became instantly dirty, grime gathered everywhere.

ho hum.

What the hell did you do, drop it in a dustbin from a great height?? That's the only explanation for misaligned ports and 'instantly dirty'...

Seriously. I have Apple machines 2, 3, 5, and 8 years old still going strong after serious use and abuse. To say it 'all falls apart' is a bit hard to swallow.
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I love the machine itself, less its faults, and look forward to getting a revised edition...if the new one keeps making the whine though...which bothers me very very much....I think I might see if I can get a refund, it really is that bad for me at least.

Dude. They all make the noise. I'm utterly convinced of this. And if not all, surely almost all. My PowerBook also makes this noise, although more quietly.

If it bothers you, use the mirror widget or MagicNoiseKiller:

http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/down...oiseKiller.zip

Don't return it.
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I've got W8611. There's a definite soft high-pitched sound coming from it. It doesn't bother me, but then again, many of the things that seem to bother people don't bother me, like dead pixels. I could see some people getting annoyed by it. I haven't noticed ay heat issues.
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Dude. They all make the noise. I'm utterly convinced of this. And if not all, surely almost all. My PowerBook also makes this noise, although more quietly.

If it bothers you, use the mirror widget or MagicNoiseKiller:

http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/down...oiseKiller.zip

Don't return it.

First off, I have the full right to return a machine that makes a high pitched noise that bothers me, especially when I paid $2300 for it.

Secondly, I think that the machine I have now has a particularly bad case of the high-pitched noise, i've listened to a friend of mines, and it's nothing like it.

As to the widget/magicnoisekiller I will never resort to using these as a fix. The whole purpose is to always run a processor intensive task in the background, which consumes more power, and takes up much needed resources (and in the case of the Mirror widget, disables you from using PhotoBooth or a Video Chat).

If the replacement makes the same noise this is making, I am 75% sure that I would return the machine or sell it... I honestly can't stand it.

edit: my old machine was a 12" 1.33ghz PowerBook G4, and that made aboslutely no noise whatsoever.
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First off, I have the full right to return a machine that makes a high pitched noise that bothers me, especially when I paid $2300 for it.

Secondly, I think that the machine I have now has a particularly bad case of the high-pitched noise, i've listened to a friend of mines, and it's nothing like it.

As to the widget/magicnoisekiller I will never resort to using these as a fix. The whole purpose is to always run a processor intensive task in the background, which consumes more power, and takes up much needed resources (and in the case of the Mirror widget, disables you from using PhotoBooth or a Video Chat).

If the replacement makes the same noise this is making, I am 75% sure that I would return the machine or sell it... I honestly can't stand it.

edit: my old machine was a 12" 1.33ghz PowerBook G4, and that made aboslutely no noise whatsoever.

Fine, be hot-headed and irrational. Your time and money to waste. You're acting foolishly, though. For one, you doesn't seem to be aware that Apple won't acknowledge the CPU whine as a problem, and will NOT fix it. (Unless you have the LCD whine instead, which they will fix.)

I would like to point out that you're not exactly informed, either.

A) None of these fixes take up extra processor resources. Believe me, I've tried. They make the noise go away, and that's it. Processor usage at idle is near 0% when I'm not doing anything after the fix. I haven't had any impact on battery life, either.

B) Using the Mirror Widget trick doesn't prevent you from using photobooth or video chat. The Mirror Widget trick is about opening, and then closing the widget. You don't keep it open. And you can use MagicNoiseKiller as a login item or put it in the Dock where you can click it once you're logged in.

Don't be ridiculous and try to tell me that dragging MagicNoiseKiller into login items is such a hassle. You log in, it opens, it immediately closes, and the noise stops. Blissful silence.

But sure, go on, "refuse" all you want. Your new machine will make the same noise. Clearly, you already decided to return it. Go right ahead, then. I don't care what you do.
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As to the widget/magicnoisekiller I will never resort to using these as a fix. The whole purpose is to always run a processor intensive task in the background, which consumes more power, and takes up much needed resources (and in the case of the Mirror widget, disables you from using PhotoBooth or a Video Chat).

First, the "QuietMBP" fix by RedSweater does run a task that occupies 8% of one CPU, but it runs at the lowest priority so it will never interfere with your work. Second, the "MagicNoiseKiller" fix, like the Mirror widget it emulates, do not interfere with your ability to use the iSight. Third, from what I gathered at the Apple forums, the noise is not going to disappear any other way. It's caused by voltage changes when the CPU enters deep sleep, and is inherent to the CPU design. There little Apple can do about, in other words, besides asking Intel to work on it in their next CPU design. Non-Apple OEMs that "fix" the noise simply run a background task to suppress it, just like QuietMBP. My MBP has it, I run QuietMBP to suppress it, and I really don't think it's a big deal.
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First, the "QuietMBP" fix by RedSweater does run a task that occupies 8% of one CPU, but it runs at the lowest priority so it will never interfere with your work. Second, the "MagicNoiseKiller" fix, like the Mirror widget it emulates, do not interfere with your ability to use the iSight. Third, from what I gathered at the Apple forums, the noise is not going to disappear any other way. It's caused by voltage changes when the CPU enters deep sleep, and is inherent to the CPU design. There little Apple can do about, in other words, besides asking Intel to work on it in their next CPU design. Non-Apple OEMs that "fix" the noise simply run a background task to suppress it, just like QuietMBP. My MBP has it, I run QuietMBP to suppress it, and I really don't think it's a big deal.

Yet again, I think in my case the noise is just louder than it normaly is...secondly...yes it DOES interfere with Photobooth and video conferencing...when you try to use the iSight in another application it says that it can't be launched because the iSight is already in use...
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Fine, be hot-headed and irrational. Your time and money to waste. You're acting foolishly, though. For one, you doesn't seem to be aware that Apple won't acknowledge the CPU whine as a problem, and will NOT fix it. (Unless you have the LCD whine instead, which they will fix.)

I would like to point out that you're not exactly informed, either.

A) None of these fixes take up extra processor resources. Believe me, I've tried. They make the noise go away, and that's it. Processor usage at idle is near 0% when I'm not doing anything after the fix. I haven't had any impact on battery life, either.

B) Using the Mirror Widget trick doesn't prevent you from using photobooth or video chat. The Mirror Widget trick is about opening, and then closing the widget. You don't keep it open. And you can use MagicNoiseKiller as a login item or put it in the Dock where you can click it once you're logged in.

Don't be ridiculous and try to tell me that dragging MagicNoiseKiller into login items is such a hassle. You log in, it opens, it immediately closes, and the noise stops. Blissful silence.

But sure, go on, "refuse" all you want. Your new machine will make the same noise. Clearly, you already decided to return it. Go right ahead, then. I don't care what you do.

I'm trying to hold out for a merom mbp, but if people are going to return their core duos over this(noise), I may have to look at a refurb.

The only other question I have is , what's this about 'engineereing sample' with the core duo chips?
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Fine, be hot-headed and irrational. Your time and money to waste. You're acting foolishly....

B) Using the Mirror Widget trick doesn't prevent you from using photobooth or video chat. The Mirror Widget trick is about opening, and then closing the widget. You don't keep it open. And you can use MagicNoiseKiller as a login item or put it in the Dock where you can click it once you're logged in.

Wow...some of you people are absolutely insane...

Maybe it's a defect: but when i have the mirror widget up and running, and get out of dashboard, the light for the iSight still stays on, and I can't access PhotoBooth or a Video chat, I know that for a fact. (keep in mind my MBP has an official "logic board failure".

Secondly, I'm just saying that I SEEM TO HAVE AN EXTREEM CASE of the whining, if you would have read what I said, you would have known that. Thirdly, if it's so easy as installing a patch, why didn't Apple address it in 10.4.6?

People have to realize that macs will have problems, and that the average consumer shouldn't have to do some weird workaround for their product to stop hissing at them. If you would have read my post again, you would have also noted extensive trackpad problems, airport dropouts, and failures to wake from sleep. Are you honestly saying that i'm a foolish person?

All I said was that if the new MBP makes the SAME noise that my old one made, I would send it back (i can hear the noise over a song playing with 4 volume bars, it's bad).
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Well actually, EFI is a public standard, and has been out for, what, two years? Three? Dell actually shipped an EFI machine back in, I think, Q4 2004.

It's not like it was a big ol' secret inside Intel, or that it's a new unproven technology. MS is still supporting EFI on Vista Server (64bit), but has decided to drop it for the consumer versions. Simply put, they couldn't make schedule. When that happens, features get dropped. Since there aren't too many EFI machines out there yet (even though it was supposed to be one of the Next Big Things in Windows boxes this next year due to Vista support), it actually made sense to make it a low priority for now.

GTW has had a machine that uses it for years. It's their Profile line, one of the butt ugliest machine lines EVAR to hit the streets!
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Originally posted by ThinkExpensive
Wow...some of you people are absolutely insane...

Maybe it's a defect: but when i have the mirror widget up and running, and get out of dashboard, the light for the iSight still stays on, and I can't access PhotoBooth or a Video chat, I know that for a fact. (keep in mind my MBP has an official "logic board failure".

Secondly, I'm just saying that I SEEM TO HAVE AN EXTREEM CASE of the whining, if you would have read what I said, you would have known that. Thirdly, if it's so easy as installing a patch, why didn't Apple address it in 10.4.6?

People have to realize that macs will have problems, and that the average consumer shouldn't have to do some weird workaround for their product to stop hissing at them. If you would have read my post again, you would have also noted extensive trackpad problems, airport dropouts, and failures to wake from sleep. Are you honestly saying that i'm a foolish person?

All I said was that if the new MBP makes the SAME noise that my old one made, I would send it back (i can hear the noise over a song playing with 4 volume bars, it's bad).

If you get a logic board failure from the hardware test, you had better return it! A logic board failure of any kind can spread and cause the entire machine to fail, taking the HD along with it.

Back up your HD, I know you have a backup drive because of your user name. Then send the machine in.

This might be a fault of the chip, in which case PC machines will have the same problem (though, as mentioned, software routines can surpess it), or it could be a fault of the power supply, in which case Apple will eventually find out what it is, and fix it.

Either way, your machine is living on borrowed time.
post #40 of 49
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Originally posted by melgross
If you get a logic board failure from the hardware test, you had better return it! A logic board failure of any kind can spread and cause the entire machine to fail, taking the HD along with it.

Back up your HD, I know you have a backup drive because of your user name. Then send the machine in.

This might be a fault of the chip, in which case PC machines will have the same problem (though, as mentioned, software routines can surpess it), or it could be a fault of the power supply, in which case Apple will eventually find out what it is, and fix it.

Either way, your machine is living on borrowed time.

dito, That's how I just lost my iBook G4. And now look at me, I've got a lousy Macbook Pro to replace it!
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