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Yes, it is no april's fool

Apple just introduced a beta of "Boot Camp ", a software that allows you to run WinXP on your Mac. This seems to be the first taste of things to come in Leopard:

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Boot Camp lets you install Windows XP without moving your Mac data[...] Boot Camp will burn a CD of all the required drivers for Windows so you don't have to scrounge around the Internet looking for them.

At startup, hold down the option key (alt) to choose between Mac OS X and Windows.

Run XP natively
Once youve completed Boot Camp, simply hold down the option key at startup to choose between Mac OS X and Windows. (Thats the alt key for you longtime Windows users.) After starting up, your Mac runs Windows completely natively. Simply restart to come back to Mac.

What youll need
* Mac OS X Tiger v10.4.6 (check Software Update)
* The latest Firmware update (check Support Downloads)
* 10GB free hard disk space
* An Intel-based Mac
* A blank recordable CD
* A printer for the instructions (Youll want to print them before installing Windows, really.)
* A bona fide installation disc for Microsoft Windows XP, Service Pack 2, Home or Professional (No multi-disc, upgrade or Media Center versions.)

URL: http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
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The big question is how this software relates to open source project that was released a couple of weeks ago. I think it is the same wrapped in Apples own installer.
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post #3 of 511
Tee hee...

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EFI and BIOS
Macs use an ultra-modern industry standard technology called EFI to handle booting. Sadly, Windows XP, and even the upcoming Vista, are stuck in the 1980s with old-fashioned BIOS. But with Boot Camp, the Mac can operate smoothly in both centuries.

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Windows running on a Mac is like Windows running on a PC. That means itll be subject to the same attacks that plague the Windows world. So be sure to keep it updated with the latest Microsoft Windows security fixes.
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Originally posted by Anders
The big question is how this software relates to open source project that was released a couple of weeks ago. I think it is the same wrapped in Apples own installer.

I haven't looked at the license the open source solution is under - there are some licenses like the GPL that make it unlikely Apple would build upon software under them.

At any rate, Boot Camp supplies the Windows drivers that were sorely missing...
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Originally posted by Anders
The big question is how this software relates to open source project that was released a couple of weeks ago. I think it is the same wrapped in Apples own installer.

No I don't think so. The Apple project has certainly started last year but was not available in time for the january introduction. It is a very sensible project for Apple to gain market share both inside and outside the education segment. I don't see them wanting for someone else to develop this.

They have developed/packaged a lot of software : a legacy BIOS support in EFI, a graphical boot loader and a driver CDROM for Windows XP (with all the drivers for the Mac hardware). Apple was the best position to do this and to maintain this for all their machines.

It seems that the final version will be included in leopard.

Maybe by then, Boot Camp will be completed by a virtualization technology (I do think so).
post #6 of 511
Sweet!!

Hopefully we won't see an os/2 effect now.
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Originally posted by Smircle
This seems to be the first taste of things to come in Leopard


This is what it says after you download it "Thank you for your interest in features of the next version of Mac OS X, Leopard. Dont forget to install Apple software available for the Windows platform. (After you finish installing that is. You can't download this software to your Mac and move it to Windows.)"
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post #8 of 511
So are we going to have to reburn our driver CD every time Apple decides to update
  • Graphics
  • Networking
  • Audio
  • AirPort wireless
  • Bluetooth
  • The Eject key (on Apple keyboards)
  • Brightness control for built-in displays

I like the idea, but I think Boot Camp is going to be even more than we expect, it will probably be the ground work for virtulisation that will allow Windows to run in Mac OSX.

My MBP was ordered today, I will wait and see how this whole BootCamp goes before I rush out and buy a XP installation
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post #9 of 511
Wow, I never saw this coming. Amazing. I guess it is a safe bet that Apple will have virtualization in Leopard. This may make Apple's Mac sales rocket.
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Oh, I have to say I love the BootCamp icon, it's so Apple but yet it's ripping off the Windows logo
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post #11 of 511
It would have been fantastic if Apple had entered this in the contest.

Fascinating stuff, it means I'll now never have to buy a PC.
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post #12 of 511
Could this pre-leopard release also be inspired by the delay in the release of adobe universal apps?
Surely hardware sales of the pro intel Macs (especially future Mac Pro's) will now rise as professionals can now use the windows version of CS2.

Anyway, this sure is a gutsy move on apple's part!!
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Conventional wisdom takes another bullet. Dvorak looks a little more sane and Dell/HP/Gateway ought to be shaking in their boots. Good times.
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post #14 of 511
AAPL up $3.71 on opening trading.

Woot!
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My new iMac just became 10% more useful!
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post #16 of 511
Windows for bread, Mac OSX for everything else!!!

Now, i am happy with MacBook Pro Price!!!

Bring it on Apple, MacBook!

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post #17 of 511
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Originally posted by Mac Voyer
Conventional wisdom takes another bullet. Dvorak looks a little more sane and Dell/HP/Gateway ought to be shaking in their boots. Good times.

People keep forgetting that Apple is a business and Steve Jobs is a businessman. They want to sell computers. Simple as that. If in the end, it makes more sense (and becomes the only viable option) to sell computers that run Windows, they will. No question.
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Conventional wisdom takes another bullet. Dvorak looks a little more sane and Dell/HP/Gateway ought to be shaking in their boots. Good times.

Devorak said apple would drop Mac OS X and replace it with Windows!
This is just Windows as an option (notice you have to press the OPTION key, he he) if you so choose to use it, i.e. if the place you work at still lives in the dark ages, which let's face it, is possible!
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post #19 of 511
So, who's going to be the guinea pig?

Let's have a first-hand report.
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post #20 of 511
so the question is...how long until apple adds the $129 option to have Win XP preinstalled in a partition?

Then what's next after that...an XP only Mac? Where does the madness end?



(personally I'm going nuts over this announcement, this is great!!) OS X is terrific and I'll be able to run those crappy XP apps I need too!)


Who else thinks that MacBook Pro shipping times are going to increase today from 24 hours to 7-10 days? hahaha.
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post #21 of 511
Only got two words to say (initially anyway)

Religious Shit!

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P.S. Translation: Holy Crap!
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Apple on Tuesday drew excitement from its Intel Mac customers as it introduced Boot Camp, public beta software that enables Intel-based Macs to also runÂ*Windows XP natively.

The software, which is available as a download beginning today, allows users withÂ*aÂ*Microsoft Windows XP installation disc to install Windows XP on an Intel-based Mac, and once installation is complete, users can restart their computer to run either Mac OS X or Windows XP.

Boot Camp will beÂ*a feature in ÂLeopard, AppleÂs next major release of Mac OS X, that will be previewed at AppleÂs Worldwide Developer Conference in August, the company also confirmed for the first time.

ÂApple has no desire or plan to sell or support Windows, but many customers have expressed their interest to run Windows on AppleÂs superior hardware now that we use Intel processors, said Philip Schiller, AppleÂs senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. ÂWe think Boot Camp makes the Mac even more appealing to Windows users considering making the switch.Â

Boot Camp simplifies Windows installation on an Intel-based Mac by providing a simple graphical step-by-stepÂ*assistant applicationÂ*to dynamically create a second partition on the hard drive for Windows, to burn a CD with all the necessary Windows drivers, and to install Windows from a Windows XP installation CD.Â*After installation is complete, users can choose to run either Mac OS X or Windows when they restart their computer.

Pricing & Availability

The public beta of Boot Camp is available immediately as a download atÂ*Apple's Boot Camp Web page, andÂ*is preview software licensed for use on a trial basis for a limited time.Â*The final version of Boot Camp will be available as a feature in the upcoming Mac OS X version 10.5 "Leopard."

Apple will not provide support for installing or running Boot Camp and does not sell or support Microsoft Windows software. Apple, hwoever, is welcoming user feedback on Boot Camp atÂ*bootcamp@apple.com.

System Requirements

Boot Camp requires an Intel-based Mac with a USB keyboard and mouse, or a built-in keyboard and TrackPad; Mac OS X version 10.4.6 or later; the latest firmware update; at least 10GB of free space on the startup disk; a blank recordable CD or DVD; and single-disc version ofÂ*Windows XP Home Edition or Professional with Service Pack 2 or later.
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Originally posted by Anders
The big question is how this software relates to open source project that was released a couple of weeks ago. I think it is the same wrapped in Apples own installer.

Anders,

I'm surprised at you... Do you REALLY think Apple didn't have this plan (even if 'on the back burner') from the beginning. Heck it was Apple that made the first public Intel-Macs not able to boot XP in the first place. The developer boxes were bios based not EFI based and it was Apple that made the new EFI setup 'just difficult enough' for them to not boot XP - well almost - the revenge of the geeks strikes again (sans accelerated video support)!

What I'd bet....

Apple had this plan all along but wanted to wait till one of the following:

1 - The Pro machines were shipping/announced
2 - The Intel iBooks were shipping
3 - Something else - WWDC perhaps (but that woulda been kinda weird)
4 - Virtualization was available on the Intel CPUs so you didn't NEED to choose what to boot in.

One think I think the 'OnMac' contest did was force Apples hand and get this out now before the other solution got a real following/foothold.

That I have no doubt about.

Dave
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Adobe Creative Suite 3 installation instructions:

1. PC users: Please insert the install disc and blah blah blah
2. Mac users: please boot to your windows partition and follow step 1 (above)

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Well, I am glad to see that Apple is maturing the mac line like this, finally, Macs will be more than mere toys.

<ducks>
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Let's hope that Leopard allows side by side running because rebooting to do a drawing and then rebooting to do the quote just won't cut it in the business world.

I need to switch between them as fast as my KVM switch does.
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Originally posted by Indecisive PC user
Adobe Creative Suite 3 installation instructions:

1. PC users: Please insert the install disc and blah blah blah
2. Mac users: please boot to your windows partition and follow step 1 (above)


Dear Apple insider user with the "Indecisive PC user" handle:

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1.the offencive post be removed from Appleinsider
addendum 1a: that all responses to the post be removed.
2: that you cece and desist in posting internal information that you have about Adobe inc in any public place.

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<throws a box of crappy Windows install CDs at a_greer>

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Originally posted by DaveGee

One think I think the 'OnMac' contest did was force Apples hand and get this out now before the other solution got a real following/foothold.

That I have no doubt about.

Dave

You kind of feel sorry for all the hard work those guys put into it though. Well, maybe not sorry for the two who won 14 grand.
post #30 of 511
Hmmm, so many implications... Apple as a Windows developer (which they already are). This seems to totally erase any issues with Microsoft being a competitor.
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post #31 of 511
Did anyone else notice that in the installer, it doesn't erase all your data to repartition the hard drive? Perhaps this signals another new feature of Leapord!?
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You kind of feel sorry for all the hard work those guys put into it though. Well, maybe not sorry for the two who won 14 grand.

Not at all, it is a real life revenge of the nerds, we wanted to dual boot, Apple made that unreasonably difficult, so in stead of lying down, the community went to work...
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Originally posted by clonenode
Hmmm, so many implications... Apple as a Windows developer (which they already are). This seems to totally erase any issues with Microsoft being a competitor.

Two applications available hardly makes them a windows developer
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Originally posted by andrewcod
Did anyone else notice that in the installer, it doesn't erase all your data to repartition the hard drive? Perhaps this signals another new feature of Leapord!?

You were already able to do that I believe.
post #35 of 511
This is certainly an interesting surprise.

Apple has just made their hardware more valuable than anything from Dell or HP because it cane run: Mac OS X, Linux and Windows XP (and probably Vista if that is ever released).

The "OS/2 Effect" concerns me a little here. Now, in fairness the comparison is a little weak since IBM was trying to get developers to develop for OS/2 while Apple already has developers developing and shipping applications for OS X.

Apple's challenge is/was/will-continue-to-be making OS X compelling enough to develop for and having truly compelling applications for it.

Now...what this move could do is "goose" their market share enough (double in 5 years?) thus increasing the installed base of OS X (something compelling for OS X developers) and buy them some more time to continue pushing OS X's "state of the art".

This is a potentially risky move. But without great risk, there is rarely great reward. This is a calculate gamble on their part. Probably a smart one.
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Originally posted by Ireland
Devorak said apple would drop Mac OS X and replace it with Windows!
This is just Windows as an option (notice you have to press the OPTION key, he he) if you so choose to use it, i.e. if the place you work at still lives in the dark ages, which let's face it, is possible!

You seem to have missed the fact that in either OS, a person can select Windows to be the default OS whenever the machine is booted. That means that in a given household, all of the users could use the machine (except for the person who chose the option) without ever seeing OS X. That is not quite ditching OS X. But it is close enough so the Dvorak was not as wrong as any of us thought he was.
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post #37 of 511
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Originally posted by Chris Cuilla

This is a potentially risky move. But without great risk, there is rarely great reward. This is a calculate gamble on their part. Probably a smart one.

I highly doubt its very risky. Do you honestly believe Adobe would abandon Mac in favor of windows in light of this? Or any other developers for that matter?
post #38 of 511
i agree....smart gamble.
i'm sure leopard will have more than we're expecting and this will seem like no big deal!
post #39 of 511
I wonder if Microsoft is going to keep developing Virtual PC for Intel Macs.
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Well, this is pretty useless, neither of the XP licenses/disks I have are Service Pack 2 based. This might have helped me decide to get an Intel Mac mini sooner, so I could get rid of the aging PC I keep around for Windows stuff. I'm not going to buy another copy of Windows just to do it though.

Since this is probably true for most anyone with a system older than a couple years, this doesn't seem like that useful of an approach. Apple ought to be aiming for people with aging XP systems as a way to get them over to Mac OS. People with newer copies of XP probably aren't the ones who will go out and buy a Mac just to run XP on it.
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