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Aluminum can most definitely be anodized black as well as almost any other color except white. Its expensive though.

Oh. Well then, that ends that. I think Apple is going to be done with aluminum (in a major way). Perhaps they will still use it, but not as dominantly as they have in the past?
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My point is (or was) that even at 4%, Apple is still a top 5 computer company

Market share world wide Q1 2006 (IDC)

18.1 Dell
16.4 HP
6.4 Lenovo
5.5 Acer
4.5 FujitsuSiemens
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2.3 Apple

Apple is far from being a top 5 computer company!
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Market share world wide Q1 2006 (IDC)

18.1 Dell
16.4 HP
6.4 Lenovo
5.5 Acer
4.5 FujitsuSiemens
...
2.3 Apple

Apple is far from being a top 5 computer company!

2.3 is not an acurate model. Apple gets a lot of its sales from educational institutions outside of it's Q1. And if it's of interest, Apple's laptop marketshare is much higher.
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... I'm just waiting for WWDC to see the next gen of PowerMacs or whatever they are called...

I wish for:

+ Core2 Duo Extreme CPUs
+ Quad Cores & Multi-GPU in the top of the line PowerMac
+ More Quadro Cards options/ More Fire GL Card Options. Just leave workstation class GPUs.
+ A bay for a Hot Swappable Drive.

... let's wait for WWDC and see
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Market share world wide 2005 (IDC) laptops only:

17.0 Dell
15.5 HP
10.8 Toshiba
10.0 Acer
8.1 Lenovo
...
3.3 Apple

In 2004 Apple had a market share of 3.7%.
Apples sales grew 28% but the whole laptop market grew 44%.
post #526 of 947
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This is the safe bet. WWDC at the latest, but I think it's more probable that it will be at WWDC.

Yeah, I think it'll be at WWDC, not WWDC.
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Yeah, I think it'll be at WWDC, not WWDC.

Apple will never release anything at WWDC. They will, however, release something at WWDC.
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Woodcrest is going to ship roughly June 26th Conroe July 23rd.

Apple isn't going to wait until August to announce computers if they plan on having any impact at all. WWDC sounds safe but not if the parts that you are basing your new line on have been shipping for 6 weeks. It makes no sense to wait. Apple will typically announce product they can ship within 30 days. Thus they could even announce the new machines in early June and gauge demand.
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Apple will never release anything at WWDC. They will, however, release something at WWDC.

Eh, I think that WWDC is the more likely candidate. But Woodcrest has problems ramping up, they could fall back to WWDC.
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The current enclosures are doubtlessly what they're going to use, perhaps with minor changes.

I'd personally think that changing the pattern of the front grille holes from square to a hexagonal pattern would be a nice touch.
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Eh, I think that WWDC is the more likely candidate. But Woodcrest has problems ramping up, they could fall back to WWDC.

Where, or why are we using the old date on woodcrest again, and what sudden problems are they having? Wasn't it recently announced that woodcrest was shipping earlier than expected on June 19th because they were doing so well?
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Where, or why are we using the old date on woodcrest again, and what sudden problems are they having? Wasn't it recently announced that woodcrest was shipping earlier than expected on June 19th because they were doing so well?

You are correct. As far as everyone knows, right now, Woodcrest will be announced June 19th, and will ship June 25th. One poster was suggesting that Apple could delay announcing the Mac Pro for fear of delays with Woodcrest, but there is nothing to suggest that Woodcrest will be delayed.
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Can you back this claim up?

This is something that was pretty well reported upon at the time. IBM was late with the chips (surprise!). Apple had already discontinued the lamp G4 iMac, and had cleared the channel. There was nothing to sell until, finally, in early September, they airlifted a few thousand in to make the September delivery date that they announced sometime after the show.
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Aluminum can most definitely be anodized black as well as almost any other color except white. Its expensive though.

That's right! Pretty much any color. I've even seen some attempts at white. It have some Titanium Dioxide that I'd like to try, but its very expensive, and I haven't worked up the nerve.
post #535 of 947
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You are correct. As far as everyone knows, right now, Woodcrest will be announced June 19th, and will ship June 25th. One poster was suggesting that Apple could delay announcing the Mac Pro for fear of delays with Woodcrest, but there is nothing to suggest that Woodcrest will be delayed.

I am on Bullshit patrol.

Being that Taiwan is only 15 hours ahead of me I would say that story from Tiwan is bullshit. Probably the writer making it up (Ryan Meader gets job with the register). Before they make things up maybe they should check the days they fall on. Announce it on a Monday, and ship it on a Sunday. They don't even check to cover their own mistakes? You can't ship anything on a Sunday. Monday is a better day to ship anything. If that Taiwanese makers story is where the original moved up woodcrest date is from I would revert all the way back to the original shipping date on woodcrest because it looks like total BS to me.
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Wow, didn't even notice that. I just read the article. I didn't even realize that June 25 was a Sunday. Next time, I'll make sure to go to Dashboard to check that stuff. But the point remains, there is nothing to suggest that Woodcrest isn't launching mid to late June (regardless of which actual week)
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Wow, didn't even notice that. I just read the article. I didn't even realize that June 25 was a Sunday. Next time, I'll make sure to go to Dashboard to check that stuff. But the point remains, there is nothing to suggest that Woodcrest isn't launching mid to late June (regardless of which actual week)

Intel said it was shipping in June so that much we do know as fact.
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Where, or why are we using the old date on woodcrest again, and what sudden problems are they having? Wasn't it recently announced that woodcrest was shipping earlier than expected on June 19th because they were doing so well?

We were joking about your hapless post.
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We were joking about your hapless post.

Ahhh.. Who's we? And where are these jokes? I like Jokes.
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Ahhh.. Who's we? And where are these jokes? I like Jokes.

Scroll up to the one where you debate whether it'll be announced at WWDC or WWDC.

Unless I misunderstood it and the joke is on me. Which is probably the case.
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This is the safe bet. WWDC at the latest, but I think it's more probable that it will be at WWDC.

You mean from the last page?


His choice (WWDC) was the safe bet, but I said it would be at WWDC "AT THE LATEST", but "MORE LIKELY" it would be "AT WWDC". Do you get it yet?
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post #542 of 947
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Scroll up to the one where you debate whether it'll be announced at WWDC or WWDC.

Unless I misunderstood it and the joke is on me. Which is probably the case.

I was hoping someone else would bring that up, because being the newbie in the thread, I wasn't sure if it was an inside joke or something.

But I definitely think (and this is obviously opinion):
Dual Woodcrests - 2.0/2.33/2.66 or 2.0/2.33/3.0 at current price points.
Possible Conroe-based Mac Pro at a $1600-$1800 price (2.6 GHz-ish)
iMacs get Conroes in the 2.0-2.5 range

Even if a Conroe-based low-end Mac Pro draws iMac or Woodcrest Mac Pro sales, Apple profits because that will be it's highest margin Mac short of the top-end Quad, since the low end Mac Pro would be a 20 inch iMac minus the nice screen, IR, and iSight in a Mac Pro case (in terms of components purchased, it'd obviously be expandable). That'd make it cheaper than the top-end iMac and it could sell for slightly more.
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I'm going to out on a limb here and say that Apple want to make a huge impact with the Intel Mac Pro, I predict
- A new case
- ALL QUAD 2.33/2.66/3.0 Ghz all on 1333Mhz FSB
- wider range of pro graphics BTO
- new line of Cinema displays to match
- 8x FB-DIMM sockets = 32Gb ram max
plus other cool stuff
Apple will want to stay in front, and every man (+ dog) will have a Woodcrest workstation available from the release, Apple will need to try harder to justify the price differential
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post #544 of 947
Why will they be released in August? Do the words "Shipping Today" sound good to a switcher? Hell they sound almost unfamiliar to me.
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I'm going to out on a limb here and say that Apple want to make a huge impact with the Intel Mac Pro, I predict
- A new case
- ALL QUAD 2.33/2.66/3.0 Ghz all on 1333Mhz FSB
- wider range of pro graphics BTO
- new line of Cinema displays to match
- 8x FB-DIMM sockets = 32Gb ram max
plus other cool stuff
Apple will want to stay in front, and every man (+ dog) will have a Woodcrest workstation available from the release, Apple will need to try harder to justify the price differential

That doesn't sound remotely "out on a limb" unless you think that the 2.33 GHz QUAD will debut at $2000. That just doesn't workable in terms of keeping a decent margin. I think 2.0/2.33/3.0 is a reasonable "high-end" expectation, because it upgrades each model a good bit while retaining nice margins. The lower two go from dual to quad, and the high end Quad gets a .5 GHz speed bump.

4 GB RAM sticks exist, but as I understand it are rare, although the motherboard would likely support them when they are more common. I don't foresee that being much of a BTO option.

Graphics - well, it could easily ship with a 7800, with BTO for a 7900-something, SLI, and a Quadro FX workstation card. My only question is whether an SLI configuration would be able to effectively drive 2 30 inch monitors.

ACDs - add an iSight, maybe an IR port with remote, and hopefully a slight price drop. I'd love to see a 17 or 18 inch model that's cheap enough to afford for the non-rich, because I'd totally get it.
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The Woodcrest will be launched, and shipped, on June 26th.
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I say all quad, all woodcrest.

The freakin' MacBooks are dual core. Does someone here think the ProMacs would even go there? Apple needs to start moving these things.
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Do we really think that Apple will be that generous to have an all Quad lineup? It's just that, at the moment, having just the top end as a quad is the one thing that would make me go high end over the low/mid ones.

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Do we really think that Apple will be that generous to have an all Quad lineup? It's just that, at the moment, having just the top end as a quad is the one thing that would make me go high end over the low/mid ones.

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I'm thinking 2 of each, but all quad could happen because it usually does. Apple usually releases an all dual socket lineup, and their fist revision is to add a single socket version into the equation. IF they did that it gives better advantage to the iMac because it could see a Conroe before the revision.
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Assuming Woodcrest ships on June 26 and that Apple will use them in the Power Mac G5 replacement, when do you think Apple will announce them?

Tuesday June27th?
The next Tuesday after that is Independance Day in the U.S.
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Assuming Woodcrest ships on June 26 and that Apple will use them in the Power Mac G5 replacement, when do you think Apple will announce them?

June 19th; the same day as Dell. HP and Boxx have already announced their Woodcrest workstations; Apple can't afford to wait.
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June 19th; the same day as Dell. HP and Boxx have already announced their Woodcrest workstations; Apple can't afford to wait.

I still can't help but to think apple will ship the woodcrest machines first.

What do you guys think?

 

 

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June 19th; the same day as Dell. HP and Boxx have already announced their Woodcrest workstations; Apple can't afford to wait.

What Apple can afford is speculative, and opinionated. I hear what Apple has to do to stay alive in this forum every week, but usually Apple does what they want, and they end up making tons of cash anyway, but I'll let Apple make that call. June 19th seems to be a farce. I think you missed some posts, or maybe intel has confirmed that within the past day, but AFAIAC that date was a hoax.
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You bet June? Let's see. The first set of processors (Woodcrest) ship out on the 19th of June - that is what intel has on hand to every manufacturer they supply. That shipment is undoubtedly sold out. I'm sure they are ramping up a second run though. Conroe is next at about the same time in July. Merom is again at about the same time in August.

So Apple will get these babies out the door in 10 days from their arrival with only the Woodcrest configuration available, and probably in limited supply? Hmmm... I'm sticking with my guess that it will be a bit later.

I stand by my june estimation. Apple is FAMOUS for announcing and shipping a few computers... then not shipping any more for months later. Watch... they will ship 100 computers or so and say they were first.

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All the time stuff aside on release dates.

How on earth can you think Apple is intels biggest client? They have less than 4% marketshare, and 2/3 of that are not PowerMac's.

Sorry it took so long to reply, appleinsider never sent me update emails.

But yah, with dell moving to amd and intel... intel lost a big chunk. And I want to clarify.. I meant to say apple was going to be their biggest customer in the future... obviously once they move all their machines over. Who's bigger?

 

 

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But yah, with dell moving to amd and intel... intel lost a big chunk. And I want to clarify.. I meant to say apple was going to be their biggest customer in the future... obviously once they move all their machines over. Who's bigger?

I don't think so. Dell is planning on using some AMD chips (Opteron) in some of their high end multi-processor servers. Dell will still be Intel's biggest customer for some time. If core 2 duo doesn't live up to it's promise (unlikely in my opinion) then maybe Dell broadens their AMD offerings at some point in the future.

We will see soon. Woodcrest will be here in June and Conroe in July. The comparissons will follow and core 2 will either get Intel back in the game ( in terms of speed and power consumption) or it won't.
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Apple could even announce them on June 6th for christ's sake. The release date of the Intel chips is not important.

Think of it this way:

We never knew what the official release date of the PowerPC G5 was. It could have been a full two weeks after the product announcement. Heck, it would seem that the 2.0GHz ones started being produced a MONTH OR TWO after the product announcement.

So the only real difference here is that we know when it's supposed to be released to the PC world. Not only might Apple have early availability to the chips, but they're also perfectly able to announce a product well before its components are in large-scale production - after all, they've done it before.
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Apple could even announce them on June 6th for christ's sake. The release date of the Intel chips is not important.

Think of it this way:

We never knew what the official release date of the PowerPC G5 was. It could have been a full two weeks after the product announcement. Heck, it would seem that the 2.0GHz ones started being produced a MONTH OR TWO after the product announcement.

So the only real difference here is that we know when it's supposed to be released to the PC world. Not only might Apple have early availability to the chips, but they're also perfectly able to announce a product well before its components are in large-scale production - after all, they've done it before.

You can't argue with logic like that. 8)
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Apple could even announce them on June 6th for christ's sake. The release date of the Intel chips is not important.

Think of it this way:

We never knew what the official release date of the PowerPC G5 was. It could have been a full two weeks after the product announcement. Heck, it would seem that the 2.0GHz ones started being produced a MONTH OR TWO after the product announcement.

So the only real difference here is that we know when it's supposed to be released to the PC world. Not only might Apple have early availability to the chips, but they're also perfectly able to announce a product well before its components are in large-scale production - after all, they've done it before.

..so they will probably announce them at WWDC for shipping in October then ?
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Well, it's different this time because we know when the chips are supposed to be coming out, and Apple has competition using the same chips this time around.
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Well, it's different this time because we know when the chips are supposed to be coming out, and Apple has competition using the same chips this time around.

That's true. Apple can't hide with IBM and Freescale anymore. When the chips are announced, and everyone else has machines, people will turn to Apple, and say; "So, where are yours?" Apple can't run from that any longer. It's not what they want. They can't control the timing anymore.

They could tell IBM and Freescale to hold off on the announcement of the chips until Apple was ready, but they can't do that to Intel. They have to ride the releases along with everyone else.

They also have to keep up with the crowd. So far, they've done that with the MBP and MB, but not with the iMac, or the Mini. I wonder why?
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