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What came first? Chicken or egg?

post #1 of 48
4/14/06 at 5:08am
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Please list your reasoning and ideas as to why you believe either the chicken or the chicken egg came first.

*This thread is not about evolution vs./ Id.*

This thread is solely for the discussion of your ideas concerning the title of this thread.

You may also bring into the discussion your ideas regarding seeds and flowers.

What came first? A Dandelion or a dandelion seed?

I welcome your thoughts,

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post #2 of 48
4/14/06 at 5:27am
Well, if you mean literally a chicken, the answer is 'the egg', because there were many egg-laying creatures that came before the chicken.
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post #3 of 48
4/14/06 at 5:36am
I think a better question is what tastes better, what, at least the answer doesn't end up in a paradox.
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post #4 of 48
4/14/06 at 11:31am
I've seen evidence this week that a bunny (possibly even a chocolate bunny) produces eggs. I'm confused as to why you think a chicken is involved at all? And speaking of chicken, what part is the "nugget"?
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post #5 of 48
4/14/06 at 11:35am
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Heh, the way to actually answer the question was eliminated from discussion. Ah well.

 

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post #6 of 48
4/14/06 at 11:37am
I think the real question would be, which came first the Chicken or the Chicken Egg.

I'm fairly sure eggs of other types (hard shell or not!) existed long before the modern chicken.
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post #7 of 48
4/14/06 at 11:42am
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Let me try to circumvent the rules.

The egg came first. An non-chicken animal layed an egg that contained a foster that via micro-evolution (which is permitted under theories that explains some of the proved biological processes without being part of the evolution theory tradition) varied enough from its parents to become the the first chicken.

Walking a fine line...
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post #8 of 48
4/14/06 at 11:54am
IIIIII reckon Chicken v0.9b laid an egg from which hatched Chicken v1.0.
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post #9 of 48
4/14/06 at 11:56am
Egg which clearly develops into a chicken -- it is in the egg the phenotypic outcome of the chicken is mostly decided -- environmental factors after the egg matter, but not as much...
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post #10 of 48
4/14/06 at 11:58am
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Neither. The chicken couldn't get it up.

 

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post #11 of 48
4/14/06 at 12:02pm
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Originally posted by BR
Neither. The chicken couldn't get it up.

Because the chicken ain't got it.
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post #12 of 48
4/14/06 at 12:04pm
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Originally posted by Fellowship
Topic: What came first? Chicken or egg?

To get to the other side.
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post #13 of 48
4/14/06 at 12:04pm
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Originally posted by hardeeharhar
Because the chicken ain't got it.

Way to ruin a joke with facts. I'm surprised you didn't complain that eggs can't have orgasms. Please be sure to point out all of the factual inconsistencies with all jokes and humorous anectodes. You'll make a ton of friends that way.

 

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post #14 of 48
4/14/06 at 1:45pm
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Originally posted by Voxapps
I've seen evidence this week that a bunny (possibly even a chocolate bunny) produces eggs. I'm confused as to why you think a chicken is involved at all? And speaking of chicken, what part is the "nugget"?

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post #15 of 48
4/14/06 at 4:53pm
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Originally posted by Fellowship
Please list your reasoning and ideas as to why you believe either the chicken or the chicken egg came first.

*This thread is not about evolution vs./ Id.*

This thread is solely for the discussion of your ideas concerning the title of this thread.

You may also bring into the discussion your ideas regarding seeds and flowers.

What came first? A Dandelion or a dandelion seed?

I welcome your thoughts,

Fellowship

Firstly its not a case of believing either the chicken or the egg came first.

Secondly, knowledge gained by accepting what hundreds of thousands of biologists have studied for their whole lives tells us that the Chicken came from a chicken-like line of ancestors, and that the chicken and its egg evo**ed together over time from a common ancestor.

Thirdly, you would probably already know what most of us here would know that, so why phrase the question so it rules out the answer?

Fourthly, I saw an article over at the-register the other week, which clearly described this problem and solved it, unfortunately, it has slipped beyond their archive limit, so no linky.

Fithly, Why didn't you tell us what you think before you engage us all in discussion?

five-and-a-halfly, sitting there all smug thinking that Satan has tricked us all isn't a good way to start a discussion.

Sixthly, happy Ishtar. Have a good weekend worshipping the moon.

Divine-seventhly. Actually just have a good weekend
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post #16 of 48
4/14/06 at 5:00pm
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Originally posted by BR
Way to ruin a joke with facts. I'm surprised you didn't complain that eggs can't have orgasms. Please be sure to point out all of the factual inconsistencies with all jokes and humorous anectodes. You'll make a ton of friends that way.



I am guessing you didn't realize that chickens were female...
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post #17 of 48
4/14/06 at 6:24pm
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Originally posted by hardeeharhar


I am guessing you didn't realize that chickens were female...

I think you misspelled "hen."
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post #18 of 48
4/14/06 at 6:30pm
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Originally posted by Voxapps
I think you misspelled "hen."

You are right.

I admit my error -- chicken is the common name of the species and not as I thought, the name of the female variety...

I guess I applied the bovine logic to chickens...
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post #19 of 48
4/14/06 at 9:10pm
The real question should be:

What happens when you replace ordinary eggs in a cake recipe with Cadbury Creme Eggs.

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post #20 of 48
4/14/06 at 9:43pm
This is one of the weirdest thread I've seen in a while.
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post #21 of 48
4/14/06 at 10:00pm
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Originally posted by hardeeharhar


I am guessing you didn't realize that chickens were female...

No, it's called I made a joke and didn't give a shit if it was female or not. And as said previously, chicken can refer to the species.

 

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post #22 of 48
4/14/06 at 10:14pm
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Originally posted by BR
No, it's called I made a joke and didn't give a shit if it was female or not. And as said previously, chicken can refer to the species.

I don't quite understand your major malfunction... but whatever, if this is enough to make you angry, I sincerely apologize for "ruining" your joke.

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post #23 of 48
4/14/06 at 10:46pm
The chicken and egg paradox is only tricky because we assume that the egg and the chicken are discrete units separate from each other.

Let's say at one time chickens gave live birth to chickens. But then there was some evolution where the chicken was born with a little egg on them to keep their feet warm. This worked so well that they were born with egg all over them to keep them warm all over. And then the egg, which was previously not edible, became edible, both keeping the chicken warm and feeding it.

The chicken morphed into the egg laying chicken piece by piece, just at about the same time giraffe's necks were getting longer.
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post #24 of 48
4/14/06 at 11:27pm
Cheggin. From space.

Later, bifurcation. On account of peer pressure.

On the home planet, the question is "What abides, the cheggin?"
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post #25 of 48
4/15/06 at 2:48am
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Originally posted by Fellowship
What came first?

Who's on second, I don't know's on third. Ba dum ching!

Chicks? Eggs? Is there something we should know, Fellows? I've been expecting an announcement. Is there anything we can do to help? I could whip up a stick figure diagram if you like. Hassan would probably give a practical demonstration if you ask him nicely.

Come to think of it, Hassan would probably give a practical demonstration even if you didn't ask him nicely.........
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post #26 of 48
4/15/06 at 3:20am
Behold! My eggs!
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post #27 of 48
4/15/06 at 3:51am
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Behold! My eggs!

On second thoughts, maybe you should try adda for the demo.........
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post #28 of 48
4/15/06 at 10:48am
Hold my eggs, Bea!
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post #29 of 48
4/15/06 at 12:53pm
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Quote:
Originally posted by crazychester
Who's on second, I don't know's on third. Ba dum ching!

Chicks? Eggs? Is there something we should know, Fellows? I've been expecting an announcement. Is there anything we can do to help? I could whip up a stick figure diagram if you like. Hassan would probably give a practical demonstration if you ask him nicely.

Come to think of it, Hassan would probably give a practical demonstration even if you didn't ask him nicely.........

Ha! Love your post

Close but no cigar!

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post #30 of 48
4/15/06 at 1:21pm
one of the kids has to be dale jr.

or shawn.

hassan will do nicely as a christian name in texas.

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post #31 of 48
4/15/06 at 1:55pm
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Originally posted by MarcUK


Fithly, Why didn't you tell us what you think before you engage us all in discussion?

five-and-a-halfly, sitting there all smug thinking that Satan has tricked us all isn't a good way to start a discussion.

Sixthly, happy Ishtar. Have a good weekend worshipping the moon.

Divine-seventhly. Actually just have a good weekend

HAHAHA! Love ya post bro,

I was hoping the Easter Bunny knew a thing or two about where all those eggs came from


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post #32 of 48
4/15/06 at 1:58pm
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Quote:
Originally posted by ShawnJ


or shawn.








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post #33 of 48
4/15/06 at 2:28pm
Hold up, hold up: does Dale have an announcement to make?

Like... does Fellows have some news?
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post #34 of 48
4/15/06 at 2:55pm
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Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
Hold up, hold up: does Dale have an announcement to make?

Like... does Fellows have some news?

yeah, this thread is an allegory for getting his missus Pregnant.

Good News Dale
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post #35 of 48
4/15/06 at 3:34pm
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Originally posted by MarcUK
yeah, this thread is an allegory for getting his missus Pregnant.

Good News Dale


Not quite,,,,

Not yet,,,,,

Not that I am aware of!!

SERIOUSLY!

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post #36 of 48
4/15/06 at 3:43pm
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Originally posted by Fellowship
Not quite,,,,

Not yet,,,,,

Not that I am aware of!!

SERIOUSLY!

Fellows

Why Fellows, I do believe you're being a tease.

I think if it's a girl, you should call her Chester.
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post #37 of 48
4/15/06 at 5:40pm
perhaps he got a chicken pregnant?
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post #38 of 48
4/15/06 at 5:49pm
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Originally posted by crazychester
Why Fellows, I do believe you're being a tease.

I think if it's a girl, you should call her Chester.

If its a boy, call it "Osiris Mithra Dionysus Marcus Fellowship"

If its a chicken call for help!
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post #39 of 48
4/15/06 at 6:33pm
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Originally posted by Fellowship
*This thread is not about evolution vs./ Id.*

Not trying to start a fight or derail the thread, but I can't answer the question without bringing in evolution. The whole reason that chicken vs. egg, considered in mutually exclusive, only-one-or-the-other terms, is such a classic question is that neither answer, chicken or egg, is very satifactory.

Evolutionary theory renders the question meaningless. Neither came first -- there's just a sequence of more and more chicken-like creatures. I suppose one could draw an arbitrary line and declare the contents of one particular egg in the sequence the Egg of the First Chicken, having been laid and hatched by some not-quite-fully-a-chicken parent, but what would be the point?

If one wishes to postulate sudden Divine Creation, any answer works -- although chicken first (either a male/female pair, or a born-fertilized female) makes more "sense" in that parental care of subsequent eggs is handily provide for. But egg (or eggs) first can work too -- God can just keep throwing around miracles at will to make sure the eggs hatch on their own and that the chicks get fed one way or another until they're ready to fend for themselves.
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post #40 of 48
4/15/06 at 6:47pm
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Originally posted by MarcUK
perhaps he got a chicken pregnant?

In which case, the chicken came first. Is this the exception to the rule or should the question be "which came first, the egg or the giant mutant Texan chicken?"
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