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post #41 of 106
the girls parents need to use this as a lesson, a lesson that lots of Apple geeks could use too...Apple is a corperation, while lots of nice, cool, and/or smart people work for the corperation, the corperation its self is nothing more than bank accounts and bottom lines. At the end of the day, the only thing the corperation is concerned with is producing bigger retainable earnings and/or dividends than they had 3 months ago.

Another lesson here: 99.99999% Marketing is bullcrap, the C*Os dont give a flying f*** what the customers think of the company so long as they are still buying the product like hotcakes, look at MS, lots of people hate the way windows works, the crapware, bugs, viruses, and such, but everyone continues to buy and use it, so MS doesnt care.
You can't quantify how much I don't care -- Bob Kevoian of the Bob and Tom Show.
You can't quantify how much I don't care -- Bob Kevoian of the Bob and Tom Show.
post #42 of 106
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Originally posted by ChevalierMalFet
You know, around 3rd or 4th grade I did the same thing, got a similar reply from Hasbro, and not only did I not cry somehow I understood the situation (my guess is my parents had a strong hand in that). I'm not feeling terribly sorry for the little girl, other than maybe because her parents aren't doing their job.

No one is asking you to feel terribly sorry for the little girl (we don't expect everyone to have a heart, it's understandable) it's cool and everything that you were that mature. I bet you never wrote to santa too (your parents probably told u at 1 year old that santa does not exist).. probably cause they were too cheap to buy you presents (or am i reading too much into your reply?) but realize that not every child is as advanced as you were at your age.. secondly, why should a 9 year old respond to disappointment as an adult?. Personally, i want would want my kid to remain a kid as long as possible. Life is tough enough already without kids growing up too fast. If you have an idol, why can't you write to your idol. This is what fascinates me about the responses in this forum. Everyone seems to think the little girl should not have written steve at all.. wow. I'm reading the responses and basically shaking my head. Some people even expect the little girl to have read the legal notice on apple web site (how many people read legal notices and even if you do, how many understand these notices.. lawyers not eligible to respond). I have never read apple legal notices and personally, i have better things to do (like enjoy life, for example, smell the fresh air, visit friends, etc).. who the hell sits in front of a computer reading apple legal notices?. How fucked up is your life that you took a few minutes out of it to read a legal notice on a web site? (i might read a legal notice if it came with a product i bought but visiting a website to read a legal notice?.. i'd rather pluck an eye out than admit my life sucks that bad that i find it interesting to go to a website to read a legal notice).
post #43 of 106
I saw the report somewhere a few days ago, I think it's on Google Video or YouTube.

Firstly, I can understand the girl writing in and saying 'yadda yadda. Love ya 'pod. yadda yadda', but I can totally see from Apple's legal point of view that they cannot afford to be caught out with these things. Their response was a little formal, but when you have $millions in the bank, you become an easy target. Maybe the parent's want some of your cash...

Take the recent reports of Dan Brown and the Da Vinci Code trials. Or more appropriately I saw stuff on TV about JK Rowling, around the release of her last Harry Potter film I think it was; basically she's not allowed close contact with fans on the red carpet in case one gives her an idea by shouting it out or writing it down. Even if Rowling was already planning to do it, she's then liable.

At the end of the day, I hope none of us here have the problem with the girl writing a letter (I did it at school, although I can't remember the response) and her disappointment at the reply. Also Apple's policy is to protect themselves against people who would "give them an idea", although that letter seemed a bit harsh and formal for a 9 year old. Probably a good idea to include a more personal level letter too. (Although they were learning about writing letters, and if you learn to write formally, you should expect to be written back to in the same manner.)

I have a problem with the CBS 5 coverage, who didn't point out why Apple's response is the way it is. The news can be so biased, and when local news gets a story of a little girl, they know they can win over the hearts of viewers by siding with her. That's what I so dislike about this story... \
Daniel Tull
Daniel Tull
post #44 of 106
Supposing Apple changes its ways it handles things like letters, i wonder how many people (young and old) will start sending in letters. Its a tad rediculous though. Its not like their going to be your pen pal...
post #45 of 106
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Originally posted by Caribou Killa
Supposing Apple changes its ways it handles things like letters, i wonder how many people (young and old) will start sending in letters. Its a tad rediculous though. Its not like their going to be your pen pal...

Hmm, earth to caribou.. apple gets tons of letters all the time. Changing how they respond does not increase the letters.. for that matter, microsoft gets tons of letters, so does IBM, Cisco, Dell, Amazon.. you get the drift. What does not happen is the local news reporting a company response to a letter.. that's what happened here. Just letting you know no need to be concerned about apple receiving tons of mail, they already do.
post #46 of 106
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Originally posted by wnurse
You know, i thought apple fans had class but i see that is not universally true. Wow, do you have children?. Did your father made you go out at 5 and get a job when you asked him for a dollar to go buy sweets at the corner store (cause after all, in the real world, you have to wake up at 6 in the morning to go to work). What a fucking moron. Nobody is saying apple is bad. You can put your ice pick and ak-47 down now. Yes, apple did send the girl a form letter (and technically, apple did not do anything wrong).. but you think apple called the meeting to discuss telling children how the real world works?. If you don't have anything to say, really, you should shut the fuck up. I've about had it with the creeping superiority of apple fans. Whenever you perceive even the slightest criticism of apple, you all bring out the big guns and start firing.. teaching the girl about the real world as if your parents thought you about the real world. Obviously they didn't or else you would not have made a stupid comment like this.

You're not going to win this one. Most ignorrant people have difficulty changing, and don't think they're doing anything wrong. He's probably the same. But well done for speaking your mind though.
Citing unnamed sources with limited but direct knowledge of the rumoured device - Comedy Insider (Feb 2014)
Citing unnamed sources with limited but direct knowledge of the rumoured device - Comedy Insider (Feb 2014)
post #47 of 106
i cant believe some of you guys in here bashing the little girl and her parents.

maybe this girl truly loves her ipod and could eventualy be an apple faithful for life. good way to please your future customers apple.


bad PR could break a company.
post #48 of 106
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Originally posted by wnurse
Nothing except apple made a child cry. Who said it had to do with anything?. Are you that cluless and stupid to have written this in the forum?. It's a human interest story. Geez, go buy a heart or a fucking brain.

Great now you made me cry, you want the address to send my letter of apology? The world would be a very different place if we ran news stories on every child that cried.

Update, little girl's ice cream cone melted all over her dress, ruining it forever. The child was found crying, update at 11.
-- Jason
-- Jason
post #49 of 106
Ok, so what I want to know is who decided to call the CBS affiliate to complain?

You can bet your ___ it wasn't the little girl!! Looks like Mom wanted her 15 minutes of fame. It's a shame she felt compelled to use her child to get there.

Piss Poor Parenting!
OMG here we go again...
OMG here we go again...
post #50 of 106
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Originally posted by aplnub
I wish Steve Jobs would wake up and put lyrics on the songs. That girl is on to something.

The new iPods do have the ability to display lyrics, but currently there is no legal means to automatically add lyrics to existing songs. Even songs purchased through iTunes don't have them.
post #51 of 106
"When 9-year-old Shea O'Gorman and her third-grade class began learning about writing business and formal letters..."

One question: did Shea's letter actually indicate that she is a 9-year old or a third grader? Writing style does not signify. After all, some of the responses posted here indicate a reading/writing ability well below third grade:

"This family is no doubt the same kind of family that demands children receive trophys [sic] for competition no matter if they win or loose [sic]"

...okay, one of the responses posted here. Still, the point stands: she sent the letter in an 'adult' style - did she indicate that she is not an adult?
post #52 of 106
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Originally posted by jasong
Great now you made me cry, you want the address to send my letter of apology? The world would be a very different place if we ran news stories on every child that cried.

Update, little girl's ice cream cone melted all over her dress, ruining it forever. The child was found crying, update at 11.

Yes, we all understand how tough you are.. you tough guy you.. Actually, i agree it's not a news story (but i think apple would take issue with you implying their employees kick puppies.. it's one thing to send a 9 year old a form letter, quite another to kick puppies.. and for your education, employees kicking puppies is news since it's probably animal cruelty and would get some employees in hot water with the law.. so yeah, kicking puppies is indeed news.. i would hope CBS report that if it ever did happen).
post #53 of 106
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Originally posted by BuzDots
Ok, so what I want to know is who decided to call the CBS affiliate to complain?

You can bet your ___ it wasn't the little girl!! Looks like Mom wanted her 15 minutes of fame. It's a shame she felt compelled to use her child to get there.

Piss Poor Parenting!

I wondered about that too.. another thing i wondered.. do people call cbs all the time and how does cbs decide what to air and not to air. There must be people who did not get their stories aired that is mad jealous of this woman.
post #54 of 106
I write letters to people that kick little girls Look, just kidding here.

Anyway, Apple just needs to use a different stock letter for those 16 and under, worded more appropriately. It is a relevant issue. Yes, maybe it was a slow news day for the local news station but this will improve Apple PR/Marketing in the long run because they will handle(ie market towards) the younger crowd more appropriately.

I'm 27 and don't have kids but I'm confident the little girl is feeling a bit better now and it's a lesson in life. A bit of a sucky lesson for the girl, but her parents are there to support her.
post #55 of 106
Quite clearly Apple's policy on these things was set up for good reasons.

Sadly the person that deals with these letters didn't have an ounce of sense, and kept on creating the same old form replies - possibly due to their training and/or profession.

Now they can't special case any letter that looks like it was written by a young person just so that person doesn't get upset. Maybe they can make the language in the form letter more conciliatory however, and less upsetting to a nine year old. It really does suck to do something you think is helpful, and get a ungrateful, or worse, response, although it's a lesson in life - only write to companies to complain.

Her parents shouldn't have raised her hopes though. Indeed the teacher shouldn't have really.
post #56 of 106
Apple Computers Inc. is not your pen-pal buddy-- im sorry.

I think i did this when i was in 5th grade to about 3 companies... i got no response from any.

I do think its cool that apple would change its policy for kids though. I do think Apple should be held to a higher standard since they claim to be a good more cust service friendly company.

I wonder what would happen if i wrote Michael Dell? Since he makes a living on destorying dreams...
post #57 of 106
Quote:

...okay, one of the responses posted here. Still, the point stands: she sent the letter in an 'adult' style - did she indicate that she is not an adult? [/B]


Uhhh its a hand-written note by a 9 year old... I think they could tell.
post #58 of 106
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Originally posted by Ireland
Most ignorrant people have difficulty changing...

ahhh, irony.
post #59 of 106
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Originally posted by mike518
Uhhh its a hand-written note by a 9 year old... I think they could tell.

Firstly, re-read the article; It was a letter, not a note...

Secondly, where I come from it would be discrimination to assume someone is a young person based on their handwriting.



By the way, Apple now needs to release new products; This thread is one of the most active at the moment!!!
Daniel Tull
Daniel Tull
post #60 of 106
I'm having way too much fun with this... This is almost as much fun as I have when I call the number on the back of trucks to give them my opinion of how they're driving... j/k...

Here's an email I send the news reporter who launched this story. It is noted that this person is touted as their lead investigator and a national treasure or something like that in reference to her being a top national reporter, blah blah blah. My email to her was a little tounge and cheek but here it is anyway..

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This letter is in response to a story you did on a little girl who wrote Apple Computer and got a generic form letter from the legal department...

When I first read about this story I had incorrectly assumed it was in some little rural town with nothing better to report about other than local agricultural update and maybe a drunk driving by the Floyd, the town drunk.

I was amazed it was from a large city such as San Francisco. I ask you this, is there really NOTHING better in the news to devote ANY airtime too other than some silly correspondence between a child and a company? What's next? Will you all be writing about the family that got cold fries from McDonald's after spending $15.78 in the drive-thru?

Here's just a taste of what happened in the news on the day you wrote this "fluff piece" in hopes to better help your network devote time to actual stories of interest and importance.

ABC News Channel 3 had a wonderful story on a thief in your area who was stealing laptops.
The same network also had a story on the police investigating a Yucca Valley teacher on an inappropriate relationship with a student.
And another story on a former Berkley officer who pleaded guilty to drug charges and is sent to jail.
Also since you're San Francisco, did you know you're marking 100 years since the great earthquake? I believe I also recently read that a relocation building that was built for evacuees was recently rediscovered.

If you prefer national stories than here's what happened in our nation in the past few days.

The A.P. had a story on the 14th regarding Mexico has more kids crossing illegally, this is very timely in the news today.
There is another story claiming that a group is asking Mexicans to boycott U.S. firms beginning on May 1st, again very timely and newsworthy.
A couple in Boston face charges for lying about finding glass in their food, this is kind of quirky but still newsworthy.

That's just a few suggestions of what could really make good stories to hit your airwaves, we really don't need another "cat caught up in a tree" type story.
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Again, it was just in fun but seriously this is a silly puff piece that got national attention on a mac websites. Its not journalism but still funny to make fun of anyway.

Christopher Powers
post #61 of 106
Gee, this is really really sad, and pathetic from my point of view. If it were not for these people (like you guys and girls, me and the 9 y.o for instance) these companys would have no purpose at all in the world, nor would these dumb lawyers. There is such a thing as protecting yourself and your wares, but this is just going to to to to far!.

PATHETIC.

What is Apple becoming?? I have had it very strong in my mind for about five years now, to go to Cupertino, Cal. with a view to join up with Apple. but I think I may stay in Australia. If I work there at Apple, and come up with a good idea for, and write it, may It be an Application, or OS feature (which I have done, but I don't publish, nor do I plan to because of fear of this kind of thing).

What are they going to do (Apple or Adobe etc.), take me out onto the quadrangle of the Apple campus, sentanced to death by a capitalistic, mentally Ill, and overzealous, legalese squadron whom know bugger all about IT or anything alike- for being innovative? (using my usual sarcastic tone here).

That is why all of my Objective-C Cocoa and C++ Application programming just sits here on my Hard Drive. (my mother and my friends say that I am crazy for not releasing these in some way), they all saw this article right now, and they all have agreed that it kind'a puts my whole point into perspective, they think that its all crazy, these friends and my mother are all pretty cluey/brainy people, I have tried to explain all of this to them, but only now they see what I mean.

it is a sad sad world, when people need to live in fear, or have to feel frightened to, or feel worthlessness for putting an idea or expression across, or contributing to mankind in a way that matters.

Remember Dan Wood with the wonderful Watson? and NOW sandvox, remember Panic and Audion?, remember Adam Hinkley? (he was a true friend of mine!) look what happened with them!. Thats why I am in fear of releasing, I don't think I would stand a chance in hell!, this all proves my point!

Thats why my software I create is "if-you-know-me-if-I work-at-your-company-I-give-you-use-of-with-NO-sourcecode-ware

Just have to get this off my chest. It really saddens me. NOT all software developers are cold and heartless and faceless borg drones who want to assimilate you. Its just a real good way to alienate your customers. it is just stupid.

Even my 5 y.o neice has a really opinionated view of 'Micro$haft' and various other big co-orporation's already!, and she is only five.

What happens if this little 9 y.o was to become a future employee of Apple in the not so far off future?, I think fat chance!, she would be now scared well off, if she is anything like my little niece Ashlee, whom im minding, is sitting here using my iDVD for a prep grade school project!, I don't want her to see this article at ALL. and I nor her mum (my cousin) are not usually sucker's for censorship or anything alike, but I think this is worthy of being hidden from her, because the last thing on Earth that we want is for little Ashlee, who is a really really smart and nice little girl, to hate, or to become scared of Apple Computer, Inc!.

As she can read far too well, I have blocked AppleInsider, and the other Apple rumor sites from her OS X user Account.

Chris. J.

Applications SW Developer, Systems programmer, and Release Control manager with a major bank-(***********), in, Melbourne Australia. (yep, I perform 3 funtions in the one position thereas I have for the past 10 years)

(by the way we use Xserves extensively here were I work) I never ever ever put my name in about boxes, nor does my boyfriend either. because we know how the 'world' works... This is OUR way of protecting ourselves from these mad, bad and scarey clueless and heartless people who only care about one thing - $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$,$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$.00 I can understand wanting to protect, and to run a business, but there is such a thing as going way too far, this is an excellent example of co-orporate madness at it's highest order!
post #62 of 106
Ironic, but, "Ditto".


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I love the part in the video when the mom explains how low her daughter's EQ is: throwing the letter in the air and slamming the door. As if that is a good thing. The mom seemed almost impressed with how well the girl expressed her anger. SOP in their family perhaps?

Agreed on the piss poor parenting post, and the 15 minutes of fame.

The response does not need to come from Apple legal... it could be a bland form letter. The US has become too legalistic and thus you have these scripts that are ice cold.

On line, go to the iPod page. Select feedback, noting the notice about submissions. Click on that and you got o the legal page, where lots of fine print hides the link to the actual submissions policy page. Which says don't send us anything but we want your feedback.

http://www.apple.com/legal/terms/site.html
http://www.apple.com/legal/policies/ideas.html

 

Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

 

Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

post #63 of 106
I agree Chris.

I was asked in 2000 to submit ideas as studio owners which i did and thought I could do it again a year ago and to my surprise I got the same letter. This is not just about protection in my opinion.

Apple does not listen to us any more and I have since rethought buying there products so religiously regularly and now seek competitor products when it suits my needs. In-other-words, I'm not nearly as passionate on Apple as I used to be as a result of this nasty legal letter i got. That poor kid!

I put off buying a new desktop for the first time last year when every year for the last 5 I have bought a new one. Same for many of the peripherals.

Now that their shipping jobs to India for Apple support, I may not buy Apple Care on new purchases. What does this have to do with the legal letter, you may ask.

If audio pros like myself perceive Apple has abandoned it's user base I think we will all seek out other products that work "based on price" insted.

Hey, if Apple thinks we don't matter then I don't care either. Again this is about more than protection and once again the suits are screwing up a great company.

Cheers,
Gary Brandt
Timeline
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post #64 of 106
The trick in any corporation writing this sort of response letter is balancing out the legal requirements, that the common litigating trolls in the system force on companies, and providing good PR.

Its hard to know what to put into this sort of response letter. In most cases these letters will be read by people with a bit more life experience to realise that shit happens. But in this case a young girl was confronted with a letter that in many ways was not tailored for her. You have to ask yourself what could have been put into that letter to make her not take it so badly, yet protect the company's legal needs. But then again there is always the possibility that the girl has never had to face up to anything negative and any response would have caused the same results.

What is a company to do, especially in litigating USA?

Remember this could be any company protecting their legal interests.
post #65 of 106
Have fun screwing around with a Windows/Linux box doing audio work Gary. I'm sure you'll have lots of fun, productive sessions.
"Humankind -- despite its artistic pretensions, its sophistication, and its many accomplishments -- owes its existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains."
"Humankind -- despite its artistic pretensions, its sophistication, and its many accomplishments -- owes its existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains."
post #66 of 106
Quote:
Originally posted by Chris_jerome
Gee, this is really really sad, and pathetic from my point of view. If it were not for these people (like you guys and girls, me and the 9 y.o for instance) these companys would have no purpose at all in the world, nor would these dumb lawyers. There is such a thing as protecting yourself and your wares, but this is just going to to to to far!.

PATHETIC.

What is Apple becoming?? I have had it very strong in my mind for about five years now, to go to Cupertino, Cal. with a view to join up with Apple. but I think I may stay in Australia. If I work there at Apple, and come up with a good idea for, and write it, may It be an Application, or OS feature (which I have done, but I don't publish, nor do I plan to because of fear of this kind of thing).

What are they going to do (Apple or Adobe etc.), take me out onto the quadrangle of the Apple campus, sentanced to death by a capitalistic, mentally Ill, and overzealous, legalese squadron whom know bugger all about IT or anything alike- for being innovative? (using my usual sarcastic tone here).

That is why all of my Objective-C Cocoa and C++ Application programming just sits here on my Hard Drive. (my mother and my friends say that I am crazy for not releasing these in some way), they all saw this article right now, and they all have agreed that it kind'a puts my whole point into perspective, they think that its all crazy, these friends and my mother are all pretty cluey/brainy people, I have tried to explain all of this to them, but only now they see what I mean.

it is a sad sad world, when people need to live in fear, or have to feel frightened to, or feel worthlessness for putting an idea or expression across, or contributing to mankind in a way that matters.

Remember Dan Wood with the wonderful Watson? and NOW sandvox, remember Panic and Audion?, remember Adam Hinkley? (he was a true friend of mine!) look what happened with them!. Thats why I am in fear of releasing, I don't think I would stand a chance in hell!, this all proves my point!

Thats why my software I create is "if-you-know-me-if-I work-at-your-company-I-give-you-use-of-with-NO-sourcecode-ware

Just have to get this off my chest. It really saddens me. NOT all software developers are cold and heartless and faceless borg drones who want to assimilate you. Its just a real good way to alienate your customers. it is just stupid.

Even my 5 y.o neice has a really opinionated view of 'Micro$haft' and various other big co-orporation's already!, and she is only five.

What happens if this little 9 y.o was to become a future employee of Apple in the not so far off future?, I think fat chance!, she would be now scared well off, if she is anything like my little niece Ashlee, whom im minding, is sitting here using my iDVD for a prep grade school project!, I don't want her to see this article at ALL. and I nor her mum (my cousin) are not usually sucker's for censorship or anything alike, but I think this is worthy of being hidden from her, because the last thing on Earth that we want is for little Ashlee, who is a really really smart and nice little girl, to hate, or to become scared of Apple Computer, Inc!.

As she can read far too well, I have blocked AppleInsider, and the other Apple rumor sites from her OS X user Account.

Chris. J.

Applications SW Developer, Systems programmer, and Release Control manager with a major bank-(***********), in, Melbourne Australia. (yep, I perform 3 funtions in the one position thereas I have for the past 10 years)

(by the way we use Xserves extensively here were I work) I never ever ever put my name in about boxes, nor does my boyfriend either. because we know how the 'world' works... This is OUR way of protecting ourselves from these mad, bad and scarey clueless and heartless people who only care about one thing - $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$,$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$.00 I can understand wanting to protect, and to run a business, but there is such a thing as going way too far, this is an excellent example of co-orporate madness at it's highest order!

Go send a letter about Windows UI to Microsoft. Do you think they'll send you a hand-written letter that smells like candy from Alchin? You may get the kiddie letter because I'm getting the impression from the way you type that it's not much better then some other 9 year old girl that mailed Apple.
"Humankind -- despite its artistic pretensions, its sophistication, and its many accomplishments -- owes its existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains."
"Humankind -- despite its artistic pretensions, its sophistication, and its many accomplishments -- owes its existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains."
post #67 of 106
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Originally posted by theapplegenius
Have fun screwing around with a Windows/Linux box doing audio work Gary. I'm sure you'll have lots of fun, productive sessions.

I don't know, Nuendo works well on PC and includes core input audio no latency switching which is a hell of a lot better than Logic currently.
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post #68 of 106
Wow this is amazing. Where do these '2-post crazies' come from?

Apple should pull the kid's iTunes account; that'll teach her (duck)
post #69 of 106
I can't believe how mean some of you are. She's a chilld! Children used to always do stuff like that and corporations don't didn't act like assholes.

Who ever reviews the letters can obviously see that is written by a child and if it was really heartfelt really could pass it along(it has been done before).

If not it's not hard for them to have more than 1 stock legal letter, I to adults and one to kids. It could say:

"Hey we love that your interested in helping us improve the ipod and the mac (insert name here) but we're constantly hard at work trying to improve it ourselves! While your idea may be great we can't legally take it from you, but don't worry though we've always got innovation going on down at apple computer! Maybe one day you'll be happy to see that we came up with our own approach and solved your problem. So thanks for your interest and looking out for future improvements on your favourite products!

Steve P. Jobs"


All Jobs would have to do is write it once(it took my 2 minutes) and the legal secretary/letter opener just has to print it out, with a printed on signature and a picture of Jobs holding an ipod or something on the bottom.

It's not hard and it'll give children a better experience.


That said the next article will read:

ex-APPLE EMPLOYEE's friend's brother-in-law RAPES YOUNG WOMAN
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post #70 of 106
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Originally posted by cgmpowers
I'm having way too much fun with this... This is almost as much fun as I have when I call the number on the back of trucks to give them my opinion of how they're driving... j/k...

Here's an email I send the news reporter who launched this story. It is noted that this person is touted as their lead investigator and a national treasure or something like that in reference to her being a top national reporter, blah blah blah. My email to her was a little tounge and cheek but here it is anyway..

----
This letter is in response to a story you did on a little girl who wrote Apple Computer and got a generic form letter from the legal department...

When I first read about this story I had incorrectly assumed it was in some little rural town with nothing better to report about other than local agricultural update and maybe a drunk driving by the Floyd, the town drunk.

I was amazed it was from a large city such as San Francisco. I ask you this, is there really NOTHING better in the news to devote ANY airtime too other than some silly correspondence between a child and a company? What's next? Will you all be writing about the family that got cold fries from McDonald's after spending $15.78 in the drive-thru?

Here's just a taste of what happened in the news on the day you wrote this "fluff piece" in hopes to better help your network devote time to actual stories of interest and importance.

ABC News Channel 3 had a wonderful story on a thief in your area who was stealing laptops.
The same network also had a story on the police investigating a Yucca Valley teacher on an inappropriate relationship with a student.
And another story on a former Berkley officer who pleaded guilty to drug charges and is sent to jail.
Also since you're San Francisco, did you know you're marking 100 years since the great earthquake? I believe I also recently read that a relocation building that was built for evacuees was recently rediscovered.

If you prefer national stories than here's what happened in our nation in the past few days.

The A.P. had a story on the 14th regarding Mexico has more kids crossing illegally, this is very timely in the news today.
There is another story claiming that a group is asking Mexicans to boycott U.S. firms beginning on May 1st, again very timely and newsworthy.
A couple in Boston face charges for lying about finding glass in their food, this is kind of quirky but still newsworthy.

That's just a few suggestions of what could really make good stories to hit your airwaves, we really don't need another "cat caught up in a tree" type story.
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Again, it was just in fun but seriously this is a silly puff piece that got national attention on a mac websites. Its not journalism but still funny to make fun of anyway.

Christopher Powers

Are you retarded? Ever actually watched the news? There is always at least one human interest story in the news that way when people watched the news there isn't just sadness and death.

Jesus Christ you act like the news should be rewarding people that commit crimes like no one else in the world does ANYTHING news worthy.

Did you watch the news story? I did, the thing has less than 5 minutes long.

Get your head outta your ass, and your hand outta apple's.

Maybe it's because I'm not from your country I can see the value in perpetuating something other than fear in the community, that positive news does help balance people from turning on their tv and thinking everyone in their country is evil or a criminal.

I suggest you use laxatives, and quick.
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[B]If not it's not hard for them to have more than 1 stock legal letter, I to adults and one to kids. It could say:

But still. How do they know it's a child writing? Just because it may be written in poorer handwriting doesn't mean it is a child...


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While I agree with preserving a kid's childhood innocence and all that there is a limit. First of all, how is Apple supposed to sort through all the letters they get and find those written by children? How do they know they were written by a child? Half the posts here are rather childish including my own. Unless the letter was written in crayon with pictures of rainbows and unicorns I don't see how they could tell. Second, where is it mentioned that the girl actually cried? It says she threw the letter up in the air, ran into her room and slammed the door. She could have dropped an f-bomb for all we know. Come on now. It was your typical form letter. I don't see where it said she was stupid and worthless. The parents should have told her that corporations get thousands of letters and may only reply with a form letter if at all. It's a life lesson. If they give her everything she asks for and solve all her problems for her she'll just end up a spoiled little brat. One Paris Hilton in this world is more than enough. Now I don't know if this girl is like that but her parents are definitely sowing the seeds with thier actions. Oh, and news programs do this all the time. They dramatize everything with little regard to the facts. You never hear the full story. They just want to hold your attention through the commercial break.

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post #73 of 106
She should have written to Woz instead of Jobs.


post #74 of 106
Okay, this has gone way past the bounds of civility. Tones need to change, and quick.

Personal attacks, political attacks, and such... to AppleOutsider. The fact that this thread started with a story about Apple is now pretty irrelevant, as far as I can see, and you guys need to take it to AO if you're going to continue in this manner.

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post #75 of 106
Apple made a little girl cry...

Mac killed my inner child...

Hahaha ... seriously people - I think we can all agree it was a SLOW newsday, because the stationd had to get word of it somehow, and I doubt very seriosuly the girl went "to the paypas...". Mom and dad had a hand in getting this set up.

Fact of the matter is, as someone pointed out earlier, that the iPod and the nano both have lyric storing capabilities linked with iTunes and there are apps out there (iTunesCool for one...) that download lyrics and artwork automatically when you play a song. So the little girl didn't do too much research on the matter and the news station didn't either.

Now, do I expect a 9 year old to have research skills - no, not really, but in this case I blame the teacher and the parents. It's the teacher's job to tell her students that corporations may not write back, may send a form letter (and explain what one is...), or may send somethign personal. It depends on how large the corporation is and what you're writing them about.

I think when I learned to writing business style letters, we sent them to our congressmen (because they'll ALWAYS send you something back...). No one writes news stories about kids that send mail to singers and sports figures and get shit back from them. "Aw man, my kid wrote Kobe to tell him how awesome he is at hoops, but we didn't hear anything - so FUCK YOU KOBE!!!!" Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? Of course it does - kids need to be taught at the time they learn how to write business letters that they may not get a response. It's nice to sit here and say, well maybe Apple could have 2 letters, but as was noted earlier, how do you know when to send which letter? I know 50 year olds that have shitty handwriting - I also know 10 year olds that write beautifully - so there goes the handwriting argument. Besides, if it's a business letter, shouldn't it by typed neatly, checked for grammar and spelling and punctuation???

It has nothing to do with being an Apple fan or having a heart. I feel sorry that the little girl's teacher didn't do her job, and I feel sorry that her parents felt the need to explot the situation and thrust their daughter into a public spotlight where she can, and has been ridiculed.

If she had written Adobe or Microsoft to make suggestions to them, it probably would have been the same story...
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post #76 of 106
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Okay, this has gone way past the bounds of civility. Tones need to change, and quick.

Personal attacks, political attacks, and such... to AppleOutsider. The fact that this thread started with a story about Apple is now pretty irrelevant, as far as I can see, and you guys need to take it to AO if you're going to continue in this manner.

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Well... yes, this has gone way out in left field but, look at the way it was presented:

Apple calls meeting after making little girl cry

Just another case of the media (in this case AppleInsider) pushing the bounds of what really happened to be able to grab the attention of the audience. Now that you have it, you should be able to roll with the punches!!
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post #77 of 106
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But still. How do they know it's a child writing? Just because it may be written in poorer handwriting doesn't mean it is a child...

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While I agree with preserving a kid's childhood innocence and all that there is a limit. First of all, how is Apple supposed to sort through all the letters they get and find those written by children? How do they know they were written by a child? Half the posts here are rather childish including my own. Unless the letter was written in crayon with pictures of rainbows and unicorns I don't see how they could tell. Second, where is it mentioned that the girl actually cried? It says she threw the letter up in the air, ran into her room and slammed the door. She could have dropped an f-bomb for all we know. Come on now. It was your typical form letter. I don't see where it said she was stupid and worthless. The parents should have told her that corporations get thousands of letters and may only reply with a form letter if at all. It's a life lesson. If they give her everything she asks for and solve all her problems for her she'll just end up a spoiled little brat. One Paris Hilton in this world is more than enough. Now I don't know if this girl is like that but her parents are definitely sowing the seeds with thier actions. Oh, and news programs do this all the time. They dramatize everything with little regard to the facts. You never hear the full story. They just want to hold your attention through the commercial break.

Well the government and other some other companies seen to have no problem telling if it's a child or not.

He news story didn't let us hear her complete letter, we don't even know if she didn't indicate her age, she probably did.

After all apple wouldn't have a meeting about it if they didn't think that they screwed up.
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Go send a letter about Windows UI to Microsoft. Do you think they'll send you a hand-written letter that smells like candy from Alchin? You may get the kiddie letter because I'm getting the impression from the way you type that it's not much better then some other 9 year old girl that mailed Apple.

What a bitchy reply!, who are you?. Steve Jobs himself??, maybe Phill Shciller , and anyway. Im quite amused by this crap that you write!!!.

How un-apple-like. Anyway, I don't really know what is 'Apple-like' anymore. besides, I'm probably a lot more older than you (clue:- in my LATE 30's). I don't really care about nor usually pay any attention to nasty bitchy flamers, only laugh at them. All I wanted to hear is some constructive and INTELLIGENT feedback on this matter. You don't even know me. and besides a lot of 5 year olds have more better things to say than this anyway.

I don't even know why I am responding to this anyway.. BAD PEOPLE SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!

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post #79 of 106
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Apple made a little girl cry...

Mac killed my inner child...

Hahaha ... seriously people - I think we can all agree it was a SLOW newsday, because the stationd had to get word of it somehow, and I doubt very seriosuly the girl went "to the paypas...". Mom and dad had a hand in getting this set up.

Fact of the matter is, as someone pointed out earlier, that the iPod and the nano both have lyric storing capabilities linked with iTunes and there are apps out there (iTunesCool for one...) that download lyrics and artwork automatically when you play a song. So the little girl didn't do too much research on the matter and the news station didn't either.

Now, do I expect a 9 year old to have research skills - no, not really, but in this case I blame the teacher and the parents. It's the teacher's job to tell her students that corporations may not write back, may send a form letter (and explain what one is...), or may send somethign personal. It depends on how large the corporation is and what you're writing them about.

I think when I learned to writing business style letters, we sent them to our congressmen (because they'll ALWAYS send you something back...). No one writes news stories about kids that send mail to singers and sports figures and get shit back from them. "Aw man, my kid wrote Kobe to tell him how awesome he is at hoops, but we didn't hear anything - so FUCK YOU KOBE!!!!" Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? Of course it does - kids need to be taught at the time they learn how to write business letters that they may not get a response. It's nice to sit here and say, well maybe Apple could have 2 letters, but as was noted earlier, how do you know when to send which letter? I know 50 year olds that have shitty handwriting - I also know 10 year olds that write beautifully - so there goes the handwriting argument. Besides, if it's a business letter, shouldn't it by typed neatly, checked for grammar and spelling and punctuation???

It has nothing to do with being an Apple fan or having a heart. I feel sorry that the little girl's teacher didn't do her job, and I feel sorry that her parents felt the need to explot the situation and thrust their daughter into a public spotlight where she can, and has been ridiculed.

If she had written Adobe or Microsoft to make suggestions to them, it probably would have been the same story...

Singers and sports stars and stuff DO all kinds of charity events with kids, they visit kid's schools, there are book signings, autographs, cd signings, all kinds of stuff.

Public figures like that DO get themselves out there, in a BIG way.

On top of that all most all of them have people that their PR has recived letters and they people that write them usually get back an autographed pictured and/or a stock letter.

That happens all the time, so I don't know what your talking about, if your kid wanted Kobe's autograph he almost definetly get one.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ecking
[B]I can't believe how mean some of you are. She's a chilld! Children used to always do stuff like that and corporations don't didn't act like assholes.

Who ever reviews the letters can obviously see that is written by a child and if it was really heartfelt really could pass it along(it has been done before).

If not it's not hard for them to have more than 1 stock legal letter, I to adults and one to kids. It could say:

"Hey we love that your interested in helping us improve the ipod and the mac (insert name here) but we're constantly hard at work trying to improve it ourselves! While your idea may be great we can't legally take it from you, but don't worry though we've always got innovation going on down at apple computer! Maybe one day you'll be happy to see that we came up with our own approach and solved your problem. So thanks for your interest and looking out for future improvements on your favourite products!

Steve P. Jobs"


All Jobs would have to do is write it once(it took my 2 minutes) and the legal secretary/letter opener just has to print it out, with a printed on signature and a picture of Jobs holding an ipod or something on the bottom.

It's not hard and it'll give children a better experience.

YES. That is a much better way to put things. It must have cost a fortune to get those stupid lawyers to write that sharp letter. Just like some of the bitchy queens who come on here. What the hell....
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