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post #81 of 441
I'm pretty amused by the price premium for black machines.

Why?

I'm amused because I'd seen posts here on this forum and elsewhere where people stated explicitly that they'd pay extra for a machine if they could get a black one. Well, it seems your wish is granted . Enjoy!

As for me, the white base model looks completely kick ass!

Concerned about the weight? The 12" iBook it replaces weighed 4.9 lbs. I can handle the extra ounces for the features this thing offers. Yeah, it's over 1/2 lb heavier than the 12" PowerBook and that's a bit of a bummer.

I'm on the fence with the glossy screen. I've seen it in a number of PC laptops and aside from some possible glare issues, it looks nice enough. I've never been big on computing outside anyhow. If I'm outside I've got better things to do .

All things considered, I'd say that the MacBook completely fulfilled my expectations and then some. Is it perfect? No. Will it sell like mad? Yes, Hell yes.

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post #82 of 441
wahoo!!! have been limping along on my friend's old 12" g3, bc my 14" ibook died in feb. this makes my day. i have been dying with the 12" screen, the bigger the better! ;-) thought this was going to happen thurs!

just got: the 1299 white, customized with 1 gig mem and 100gig hard drive. between that, tax, and apple care (rev a!), i'm looking at north of 1700 bucks. even with educ discount. yargh! oh well, i keep 'em forever.

only disappointment is that yeah, it's thinner, but i expected something a bit more radical with the design. i usu don't travel with my laptops, so size/weight isn't an issue for me. unless it comes in at, say 20 lbs.

and i, too, combed the specs for more of a diff bt the 1299 and 1499, and was puzzled. but then the black premium thought kicked in. hmmm . . . i'll still take white, thankyouverymuch!

and i used to have a tangerine ibook, and from what i recall, there was no diff in the specs for the diff colors (i miss that one soooo much!).
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wahoo!!! have been limping along on my friend's old 12" g3, bc my 14" ibook died in feb. this makes my day. i have been dying with the 12" screen, the bigger the better! ;-) thought this was going to happen thurs!

just got: the 1299 white, customized with 1 gig mem and 100gig hard drive. between that, tax, and apple care (rev a!), i'm looking at north of 1700 bucks. even with educ discount. yargh!

only disappointment is that yeah, it's thinner, but i expected something a bit more radical with the design. i usu don't travel with my laptops, so size/weight isn't an issue for me. unless it comes in at, say 20 lbs.

and i, too, combed the specs for more of a diff bt the 1299 and 1499, and was puzzled. but then the black premium thought kicked in. hmmm . . . just seems like you're paying more money for something that's just going to get really ugly after a little bit with all the scratches.

and i used to have a tangerine ibook, and from what i recall, there was no diff in the specs for the diff colors (i miss that one soooo much!).

OMG why would you CTO your Mac with extra memory. Order a stick from newegg or something and save yourself 50 bucks. its so easy to install.
post #84 of 441
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Originally posted by booisgolden
just got: the 1299 white, customized with 1 gig mem and 100gig hard drive. between that, tax, and apple care (rev a!), i'm looking at north of 1700 bucks. even with educ discount. yargh!

wow...and in the Refurb store at Apple the macbook pro is $1599.... yeah its refurbed but they are always pristine. I'd have a tough time justifying $1700+ on a MB. The 1099 looks uber good though.

you'll enjoy it though, have fun, its a pretty snazzy machine!
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Originally posted by MacSuperiority
OMG why would you CTO your Mac with extra memory. Order a stick from newegg or something and save yourself 50 bucks. its so easy to install.

I remember installing memory on my iBook was a nightmare. I think I must have had a bad stick, because it never seemed to work well. Plus, I've nerve damage in my hands, so it wasn't easy to get to the slot.

I'm not good with my hands, and I'm lazy.

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post #86 of 441
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But to really make the family complete, I think Apple needs an ultraportable

I totally aggree, Apple should add a small 11-13" MacBook Pro with 3-4 Pounds and optical drive that can be hooked up to some 30" Screen.
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
The keyboard is kind of retro funky. The black model with the new keyboard reminds me of my old Cambridge Z88.

I'll be buying a white model though. Black is soo 80s.

That keyboard is very strange. I'm actually hesitating ordering a MacBook because of it. I might have to try it out first. You are right, it is just like the old Z88s...
post #88 of 441
i did do the memory myself on my old tangerine ibook, so i guess my only answer is that i'm really, really lazy. i just graded my student's final exams, and i'm exhausted! it was a price/effort analysis.

oh crap, just saw pix of keyboard on the black one at the apple store, and it looks like it would be hell to type on. but hey, it looks cool so all is forgiven! very 2001 space odyssey.
post #89 of 441
Whomever is saying "ultraportable" stop it.

There is nothing "ultraportable" about the 12" PB. To me "ultraportable" means under 4 lbs and thin enough to snap in-half. The 12" PB is not an "ultraportable" but then again neither are these new MacBooks. Now, there is room for a smaller, lighter MacBook. Yes? But nothing out of Apple for a while can be considered "ultraportable".

The new models are nice though. Glossy screen and weight aside. I worry how 2D performance and Quartz Composer will function if the 13" MacBook is connected to a 20" Apple Cinema. Otherwise, good deal here.
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post #90 of 441
Agreed. Tablet, anyone? The graph card for the 30" monitor is expensive and large and not necessary for 99% of the users... but to connect to a 23" display would be nice.

Sadly, Apple says on one of its pages that these releases complete the notebook offereings, so there will not likely be anything for some time.

Will likely get a white one for the wife, who has been working on an iBook600 for too long now. Actually, to be honest, I want to play with it.

 

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post #91 of 441
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It's just mirroring. Intel graphics, oh yay!

Idiot.

Bad enough you didn't read the specs, but an earlier post already had the correct info. Here's living proof that the FUD about integrated graphics comes from ignorance.

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Who is Apple marketing the black model to? Gee, I can spend an extra $200 for 20 GB more of storage, and uhh, black? Why on earth would anyone pay this much more for something that's worth maybe $50 more?

Because they want to? It's an odd move, but you can't really blame apple for giving it a shot. If they sell, it's like free money for Apple. If they don't, Apple just lowers the price and hasn't lost anything. Certainly no harm in them taking the risk.

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Apart from the processor, there's nothing compelling about any of these things. FrontRow and a remote? On an ultraportable? It's just silly. All 13" of widescreen? Can a different shape really be called a "feature"? Well, I guess there is the extra 12 pixels all along the bottom! That's almost enough for the dock...



Front row and the remote are useful when it's hooked to a bigger screen (is there a mini DVI to TV adapter?). Heck, the remote is useful when it's hooked to the stereo, do you need to see the screen to turn volume up and down, or to skip to the next song? And yes, I'd consider widescreen a feature considering how many people are watching videos on their laptops.

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Originally posted by xhui i won't want to upgrade to a MacBook anymore as it really only replaces the iBook line and not the 12" PowerBook.

What's missing that doesn't replace the powerbook? Integrated graphics? What, so you can play first person shooters as part of your "pro" work? This is a killer machine and a big improvement over BOTH machines it's replacing.
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Originally posted by lundy
I just checked all of the iBooks ever made with MacTracker and I do not see any where there was more than one graphics system within a single product release. So there is no precedent for a "high end graphics" MacBook.

Um... the 12" PowerBook?
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post #93 of 441
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I totally aggree, Apple should add a small 11-13" MacBook Pro with 3-4 Pounds and optical drive that can be hooked up to some 30" Screen.

Maybe this is the missing link. Maybe they pull
another ace off of their sleeves in a few weeks.
Anyway, i am not in the market to get an all new MacBook,
because i am completely satisfied with my beloved
12" PB. But a 10" SubBook (with all the trimmings)
is a different story.
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Originally posted by MacSuperiority
OMG why would you CTO your Mac with extra memory. Order a stick from newegg or something and save yourself 50 bucks. its so easy to install.

Do we know yet if it is easily installable on the MacBook?

MacSales has 1GB sticks for the MacBook at $113 each. Much better than the $450(!!) that apple is charging for a 2GB upgrade.
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Originally posted by scavanger Why does apple have to gimp one part of their laptops to make there magical distinction between pro and consumer (which doesn't really exist) [/B]

Price. If they had a graphics card, people would whine that the price wasn't cheaper.

Speaking of...anyone know why it costs $500 to go to 2 gigs of ram? The mini only costs $300 for that upgrade, isn't it the same ram?
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Um... the 12" PowerBook?

Please, don't tell me you consider the NVIDIA FX Go5200 (64 MB) high-end, dedicated graphics?

Anyway, all in all it's about what I expected. It's nice to see them offer black, considering all the success they had with black iPods. I'm sure the Apple Store and their retail counterparts will start showing shortages of the black model.

It's refreashing to see the 1.83 GHz core duo on the low end; however, my only complaint with the line up is that they could have possible made it a 1.6 GHz and kept the price at $999, but other than that I think this is great.

It does seem that Apple is drawing the line between consumer and pro with dedicated graphics. For the most part, who will care? Most people that wander into the Apple Store asking about switching want to know if they can run Office, e-mail and the inthernet. They oooh and aaah over the prettiness. Every once in a while someone might ask about playing games or doing graphics intensive work on them. In that case we just direct them to the iMac, MBP and PowerMacs. Apple is not doomed today
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post #97 of 441
I'm very impressed with the price, considering they are all core duos, tho a bit disappointed there aren't more options (for instance getting a 1.83ghz version with a superdrive is impossible), and no dedicated graphics option.
post #98 of 441
anybody know about backlit keyboard/dimming display?
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Price. If they had a graphics card, people would whine that the price wasn't cheaper.

Speaking of...anyone know why it costs $500 to go to 2 gigs of ram? The mini only costs $300 for that upgrade, isn't it the same ram?

notebook ram comes in so-dimms which is way more expensive than regular dimms
post #100 of 441
Can't tell from the pictures.... is this the full on, piano glossy iPod black?

Cause if it is, and Apple hasn't come up with some kind of protective coating, isn't there going to be a tidal wave of bitching when these things start showing scratches in that special, high relief black polycarbonate way we've come to know and love?

And just think-- so much more surface area to cry about!

Really, though, I think we've all gotten instantly spoiled by the Intel era. The new base model is a massive upgrade to the previous iBook, in performance, stock connectivity and amenities.

If Apple had done this with a G4 model people would have been weeping with joy.
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Can't tell from the pictures.... is this the full on, piano glossy iPod black?

Cause if it is, and Apple hasn't come up with some kind of protective coating, isn't there going to be a tidal wave of bitching when these things start showing scratches in that special, high relief black polycarbonate way we've come to know and love?

And just think-- so much more surface area to cry about!

Really, though, I think we've all gotten instantly spoiled by the Intel era. The new base model is a massive upgrade to the previous iBook, in performance, stock connectivity and amenities.

If Apple had done this with a G4 model people would have been weeping with joy.

It's Matte black. If it were shiny (and they'd fixed the scratch issue) I might have sprung for it, but as is I'll save my $200.
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Originally posted by backtomac
Looks excellent. Waiting for Merom is getting harder every day. With the black model hopes for a 12 in MBP are fading fast. Why no 1.6ghz model for 999? That's my only gripe.

Wow, 99 posts already.

I hate commenting without reading them all first, but it's all too much for right now!

But, I do have to say that I agree with you.

The people who are claiming that their predictions were correct in saying that it would start at $1099, were still wrong, in a sense.

No one seriously expected a 1.83GHz bottom end model!

This goes to show that if they wanted to, they could have done it for $999. They really should have had 1.67, and 1.83GHz models instead.

This is going to impact the MBP. Not a good thing. That's why the market has reacted badly to this. $1099 is too high, and the 2GHz model will impact the sales of the 2GHz MBP.
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Originally posted by Archstudent
notebook ram comes in so-dimms which is way more expensive than regular dimms

Yep. And the mini uses that notebook ram as well. Is there a difference in the ram, or does apple just charge more if it goes into a laptop?
post #104 of 441
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Originally posted by gloss
It's Matte black. If it were shiny (and they'd fixed the scratch issue) I might have sprung for it, but as is I'll save my $200.

Right, I just took a look at one of the photo galleries that are cropping up.

To which I say, "Hallelujah!" Glossy would be fine for a black iMac, but for a portable matte has it all over gloss.

I'm actually heartened that Apple had the sense to break with their monolithic "all Apple products must have the same design cues" fetish and give a nod to pragmatism. Maybe a matte black iPod is next?
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post #105 of 441
Personally I think the black macbooks are hideous looking. They really do look like something out of a bad 80's sci-fi movie. The white ones are the way to go plus they cost hundreds $$ less.
I'm just surprised that nobody is bitching that there isn't a modem. There also doesn't seem to be much complaint over the name change from iBook to Macbook.
All in all though, for what you're getting, these things are an incredible value. It's nice to see that they've added video spanning as well as mirror. That one was too long in the making
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Originally posted by melgross
This is going to impact the MBP. Not a good thing. That's why the market has reacted badly to this. $1099 is too high, and the 2GHz model will impact the sales of the 2GHz MBP.

No way. These will sell like hotcakes. I'd love to see a slower option at a lower price, but that can come in the future (if they even need it).

Who knows what the market is thinking. They tend to start selling any company when any news is announced.
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Originally posted by Archstudent
notebook ram comes in so-dimms which is way more expensive than regular dimms

2GB for the MacBook is $500
2GB for the MacBook Pro is $300

There goes that theory...

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post #108 of 441
Relax Francis. You need to take it easy

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Glossy screen? WTF? Those suck.

Then don't get the glossy option. Apple is giving you the CHOICE, smart guy.

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FUCK YOU APPLE. Separating models by color...dumb.

For $200 more you get 20 gigs and "Black." And only 512 RAM?!
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This works well for many companies. High end car makers, for example.

You may not like it, but it works.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is dumb.
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[B]I'm just surprised that nobody is bitching that there isn't a modem. There also doesn't seem to be much complaint over the name change from iBook to Macbook.

Probably because people have known about these and hashed them over for months already. And really, neither is that big a deal.
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Originally posted by minderbinder
No way. These will sell like hotcakes. I'd love to see a slower option at a lower price, but that can come in the future (if they even need it).

Who knows what the market is thinking. They tend to start selling any company when any news is announced.

That $100 dollars add up when school districts look at contracts. don't forget that they are still competing with Dell for that space. While an individual might not care as much, when you are buying 10,000, and have a limited budget, that extra million dollars can make or break the deal.

The market reacts kindly to Apple's new products, generally, but I'm sure they see the same problems I do.
post #111 of 441
Yes as others have said, the glossy screen...was stupid. I may have to wait until the second revision. I hope the hell they get rid of it by then. Or perhaps sooner. ugh what were they thinking. I do NOT WANT A GLOSSY SCREEN!

Everything else is SWEET. I know I'm in the minority but I'll use FrontRow a lot. I download the small amount of TV I watch, and I'll be watching it on a real TV at my fiancee's house this summer. it'll be great. However most people aren't going to make their 13" puny little laptop a centerpiece of their media room. In reality, having a remote for a laptop is pretty stupid. But for me it's great, so I'm not complaining! The price is okay too. Just that glossy screen...
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post #112 of 441
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2GB for the MacBook is $500
2GB for the MacBook Pro is $300

There goes that theory...

Nope. $500 for 512->2 gig on the pro as well. It's only $300 if you start with a 1 gig config.

And all seem to be 667 DDR2 sodimm. Still trying to figure out why it's cheaper on the mini.
post #113 of 441
Now that it supports an external display without just mirroring, I wonder if I could run it with the lid closed using my bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Thoughts?

Nice specs - looks like the Mac mini could use a speed bump / price drop soon too now.
post #114 of 441
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Originally posted by minderbinder
Probably because people have known about these and hashed them over for months already. And really, neither is that big a deal.

Yup. for months now. Not a big deal.

But, black is more "professional". I dare say that Apple is hinting that this would be more than just a home/school product.
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Originally posted by Aquatic However most people aren't going to make their 13" puny little laptop a centerpiece of their media room. In reality, having a remote for a laptop is pretty stupid. [/B]

Makes sense to me, just hook the video out to a big TV and close the mac. Great option for people who want occasional movie or slideshow, or mp3 jukebox functionality from a laptop. And the remote fits right in.

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Now that it supports an external display without just mirroring, I wonder if I could run it with the lid closed using my bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Thoughts?

Nice specs - looks like the Mac mini could use a speed bump / price drop soon too now.

The apple site says it runs with the lid closed, I assume BT works that way. Agreed on the mini and I even think this could cut into iMac sales as well at the current price.

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But, black is more "professional". I dare say that Apple is hinting that this would be more than just a home/school product.

Not hinting, they're outright saying it. But the fact that this would replace the 12 inch "pro" machine has been around for months as well.
post #116 of 441
Nice Apple friggin delivered!

All my predictions were half right, I had said in the very beginning of April(4/8/06) that I thought:

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$999 MackBook
13.3" Widescreen
1.66GHz Intel Core Duo processor
512MB memory (Expandable to 2GB)
40GB 4200rpm HD
Combo Drive
Intel GMA950 64MB shared
Built-in AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth 2.0
Built in iSight
Apple Remote

$1299 MacBook
13.3" Widescreen
1.66GHz Intel Core Duo processor
512MB memory (Expandable to 2GB)
60GB 5400rpm HD
SuperDrive (DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Intel GMA950 64MB shared
Built-in AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth 2.0
Built in iSight
Apple Remote

$1499 MacBook
13.3" Widescreen
1.66GHz Intel Core Duo processor
512MB memory (Expandable to 2GB)
80GB 5400rpm HD
SuperDrive (DVD±RW/CD-RW)
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 with 128MB GDDR3 memory
Built-in AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth 2.0
Built in iSight
Apple Remote

I mean read into it, Apple wants to grow as a company but will limit themselves to only 2 lines with 2 configurations all the while forgetting their 12" powerbook user base? I don't see it happening, this redesign allows them to make the ibook not so toy-like as well as leaving room to almost merge the product lines.

Look at the names MacBook and MacBook Pro are that simliar for a reason, they're sister systems and will probably sport similar designs only being separated by specs and MacBook being plastic.

This I believe allow the 12" pb to move into MacBook territory without making the machine look extremely consumer.

I'm seeing 3 configs.

The first 2 would be integrated graphics and available in white or strawberry, and the final one would be the 12" pb replacement and will be available in white or graphite and have dedicated graphics. All of them solid versions of the colours they used on the imac in past.

I hope that's what'll happen, it sounds about right because this site is claiming an increased effort in attracting women.

So I"m seeing this:

- All models offered in white(obviously)

- The $999 and $1299 models being the only one offered in a solid shade of iMac Strawberry

- The $1499 model being the only model offered in a solid shade of iMac Graphite

That'd be too sick.

That was back when everyone was saying only 2 configs and that they'd probably still have core solo. I was right about there being a product line merge, wrong about strawberry(the women thing), half-wrong about graphite because it was black instead, right about only the high end model being in the dark color.

Unfortunately I was wrong about it having dedicated graphics too.

Damn I love being a mac user the guessing game is too fun, if I was a win user what would I guess? When Vista is finally gonna drop? When is Dell gonna offer some stupid cupon?

F that I'm now more than ever a mac user for life, playing analist is damn cool.
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post #117 of 441
Ordered mine from Canadian apple site. 80GB HD and 1Ghz Ram upgrade to white model (every other laptop is black dont see the attraction ?). Good news Canadian prices are closer to reflecting the strength of the Canadian dollar. Mine is $1629 (Can$) plus GST. Worth the wait! I almost bought a used 12" PB for $1400 last month...whew! Estimated ship date - May 23rd.
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Originally posted by melgross
Wow, 99 posts already.

The people who are claiming that their predictions were correct in saying that it would start at $1099, were still wrong, in a sense.

No one seriously expected a 1.83GHz bottom end model!

This goes to show that if they wanted to, they could have done it for $999. They really should have had 1.67, and 1.83GHz models instead.

This is going to impact the MBP. Not a good thing. That's why the market has reacted badly to this. $1099 is too high, and the 2GHz model will impact the sales of the 2GHz MBP.

Melgross, not trying to start a fight here, but seriously, it seems like you will say anything other than admitting that you were wrong?

I was one of the ones who predicted $1099 and was shot down by you and many others. I never said anything about processor speed. I simply said they will all be dual-core and include iSight, mag-safe connectors, latch, a remote control and the base model will cost $1099.

Of course they could have delivered a model at $999 by including a slower single-core processor and dropping some of the specs, but all signs (and rumors) were indicating that Apple was adding functionality and features, even to it's entry level machines..

AAPL typically always drops on announcement day and then rebounds to a higher price within a week. Today's drop is nothing un-usual.. The market is also reacting to the new Creative lawsuit.

$1099 is not too high, I'd be willing to bet that within a few months time, this will become Apple's best selling computer. However, I do agree that paying $150 extra for the color black is bit of a stretch to say the least.

Anyways, instead of just arguing for arguments sake, it's time to just admit that you were wrong and move on. No big deal..
post #119 of 441
Whine all you want, but this makes for a great consumer line up and those who don't like integrated graphics really haven't been a CONSUMER in a long time. How many consumers really need to burn DVD's and span to 30" monitors?!?!?!? Almost none.

That said, there should be a sub $1k laptop for the WalMart crowd and a 10"-12" professional laptop for business travelers and students who want to look cool or span monitors.

What I don't like seeing is that Apple is actually reducing its range of offerings at a time when switchers are looking for more of the variety that they are used to getting.

Glossy or Matte displays should be BTO for all laptops.
Pros keep better graphics and illuminated keys and 30" monitor support.

I sure hope Steve was thinking about new portable Macs when he mentioned that future products look like the best he has ever seen, b/c the product line is getting smaller and we need more choices!!
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Originally posted by oberpongo
I totally aggree, Apple should add a small 11-13" MacBook Pro with 3-4 Pounds and optical drive that can be hooked up to some 30" Screen.

Maybe when the MacBook Pro notebooks get a Merom chip then a 13" MacBook Pro will be released. The case will go from plastic to metal, keyboard gets illuminated, 7200 rpm drive BTO option, PCI Express graphics card, and a bump in screen resolution, and a full size DVI connection, but no ExpressCard due to no room.

After looking at Apple's comparison chart of the notebooks I have no complaints about the default configuration nor the BTO options.
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