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post #41 of 95
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Originally posted by xanthohappy
An interesting thought:

Obviously both Apple and Nike have teamed up on this venture with the purpose of selling more products. Apple's pretty covered, as obviously this will only work with an iPod, but what's to stop other shoe manufacturers from putting holes underneath the insole in future shoe models? I'm guessing you can't patent something like that. Nike has a headstart for certain, but do you think they could lose out on their investment in the long run?

Additional thought:

Unless you can't sign on to Nike's online service without a valid shoe purchase. Hmmmm...

I was thinking of simply cutting a hole in my shoe
post #42 of 95
Complete fuckin' genius
post #43 of 95
And they put the Mac in the iPod/Nike add as well.. At F'ing last..!


Much beter than hello I'm a Mac etc etc.


If they did a bike option Apple would end up being sued to high heaven by all the people (mostly in the US) who forgot to listen out for the truck as they adjusted for their power boast track. It will never happen.
post #44 of 95
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Originally posted by OfficerDigby
If they did a bike option Apple would end up being sued to high heaven by all the people (mostly in the US) who forgot to listen out for the truck as they adjusted for their power boast track. It will never happen.

'mostly in the US' ?

You seem to have added 'mostly' in front there.

Seriously though, runners have the same problem with traffic. I use an mp3 player (on my phone) all the time on my bike but then I'm a mountain biker and the trails are straight out my front door.

If Apple/Nike were adding bike features though, I might switch to the iPod, but the iPod's not as good as my phone. ie. it's not also a phone.
post #45 of 95
I love it... I'll pick one up (or two) at the next opportunity. My only complaint is that the transceiver isn't compatible with my iPod nano armband.

Next all it needs to do is interface with the equipment at the gym to log my workout on the elliptical machines or when doing weight stuff.
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post #46 of 95
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Originally posted by xanthohappy
...what's to stop other shoe manufacturers from putting holes underneath the insole in future shoe models? I'm guessing you can't patent something like that. Nike has a headstart for certain, but do you think they could lose out on their investment in the long run?

Why wouldn't they be able to patent it? It is a new, unique way to apply technology. That said, if it weren't patentable for some reason, I wonder if Apple will strike up new partnerships with Adidas, et. al. or if this is more or less exclusive to iTunes. (I'm guessing the latter.)
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post #47 of 95
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Originally posted by guiness
Why would therre be a problem with 4G/5G/Minis? I go running with my 5G all the time and there's no problems. In fact, I'm sure many of you will remember with Apple first released the iPod and one of its main facts was that it included a memory chip capable of not skipping if a person went running...and that was long before Apple released flash based nanos. We'll just have to see if Apple will actually block it from working with 5G iPods or whether it just recommends use with a Nano. I can't imagine they wouldn't want to keep encouraging people to buy the much more profitable 60GB iPod over a Nano.

I don't think it is necessarily about the skipping. I think excessive repetitive sudden motion might take its toll on the drive heads.
post #48 of 95
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Originally posted by Mr. Dirk
Why wouldn't they be able to patent it? It is a new, unique way to apply technology. That said, if it weren't patentable for some reason, I wonder if Apple will strike up new partnerships with Adidas, et. al. or if this is more or less exclusive to iTunes. (I'm guessing the latter.)


I am thinking it will be alot like the original iPod your BMW.

Now most automakers are putting in iPod docks.
post #49 of 95
Nike is a terrible company that is known for paying nothing to it's employees in sweatshops all over the world. Watch the Michael Moore flick 'The Big One' and listen to how much of an idiot Philip Knight is. I personally will never buy a Nike product, even though my love for Apple runs very deep.

I realize this is a good business partnership, will make lots of money, and is a really good idea, I guess I'm just disappointed because Nike, which owns nearly every freaking shoe brand, is involved. It would have been nice to have the same partnertship with a company that is actually cool and worth supporting.

Just a thought.
post #50 of 95
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Originally posted by frankie
Nike is a terrible company that is known for paying nothing to it's employees in sweatshops all over the world. Watch the Michael Moore flick 'The Big One' and listen to how much of an idiot Philip Knight is. I personally will never buy a Nike product, even though my love for Apple runs very deep.

I realize this is a good business partnership, will make lots of money, and is a really good idea, I guess I'm just disappointed because Nike, which owns nearly every freaking shoe brand, is involved. It would have been nice to have the same partnertship with a company that is actually cool and worth supporting.

Just a thought.

couldn't agree more...
post #51 of 95
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Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
I was thinking of simply cutting a hole in my shoe

How about taping the transmitter to the side of your current shoes? Better yet, just stick it in your sock -- Hack #1!
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post #52 of 95
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Originally posted by frankie
Nike is a terrible company that is known for paying nothing to it's employees in sweatshops all over the world. Watch the Michael Moore flick 'The Big One' and listen to how much of an idiot Philip Knight is. I personally will never buy a Nike product, even though my love for Apple runs very deep.

I realize this is a good business partnership, will make lots of money, and is a really good idea, I guess I'm just disappointed because Nike, which owns nearly every freaking shoe brand, is involved. It would have been nice to have the same partnertship with a company that is actually cool and worth supporting.

Just a thought.


Have you ever actually BEEN to any of those plants in the countries you are complaining about? I've been to China, and the alternatives to what seem like low wages (to us) are much, much worse, my friend. The average wage is something like $250/month at the plants I visited, but good god, you should see how some of the people live outside. Makes most of the homeless in America look like Donald Trump (uhh... just the homeless guys...)

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post #53 of 95
Incidentally, it occurs to me that all you really need is an ankle-strap that is big enough to hold the sensor that would go inside the Nike shoe if you don't really want to pay for new shoes. Even Nike produces a shoe wallet that might be adequate to hold the sensor unit.

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post #54 of 95
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Originally posted by frankie
Nike is a terrible company that is known for paying nothing to it's employees in sweatshops all over the world. Watch the Michael Moore flick 'The Big One' and listen to how much of an idiot Philip Knight is. I personally will never buy a Nike product, even though my love for Apple runs very deep.

I realize this is a good business partnership, will make lots of money, and is a really good idea, I guess I'm just disappointed because Nike, which owns nearly every freaking shoe brand, is involved. It would have been nice to have the same partnertship with a company that is actually cool and worth supporting.

Just a thought.

I know nothing about Nike's business practices, but I suggest you take whatever Moore says with a grain of salt
post #55 of 95
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Originally posted by Mr. Dirk
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Originally posted by xanthohappy
...what's to stop other shoe manufacturers from putting holes underneath the insole in future shoe models? I'm guessing you can't patent something like that. Nike has a headstart for certain, but do you think they could lose out on their investment in the long run?

Why wouldn't they be able to patent it? It is a new, unique way to apply technology. That said, if it weren't patentable for some reason, I wonder if Apple will strike up new partnerships with Adidas, et. al. or if this is more or less exclusive to iTunes. (I'm guessing the latter.)

They already have. Here is an excerpt from the patent (US Patent Office # 20050048955):

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A user of a communication device may initiate a communication, i.e., a telephone call, a text message, a page, an alert and the like, silently, via a macro-manipulation of the communication device and without having to identify a particularly button or sequence of buttons on the communication device. The communication device may include housing into which is disposed a sensor that detects the macro-manipulation of the communication device by the user. An output from the sensor is associated with a particular communication context, e.g., a particularly telephone number to which a call is to be completed, a communication device to which a text message is to be sent and the contents of the text message, an email address to which an email is to be sent, a pager to which either a page number, text or numeric message is to be sent, and the like. Responsive to the output from the sensor, the communication device initiates the communication according to the define context. Thus, a user of the communication device may initiate a communication in total darkness, without removing the communication device from a purse or pocket, and without having to identify a particular key or keys on the communication device.
To avoid the possibility of inadvertently triggering the communication, such as by simply grasping the housing too firmly or by other circumstances that may cause the sensor to provide an output signal to the processor, a protocol for initiating the communication may be implemented. To initiate the communication the user is first required to twice quickly squeeze the housing of the communication unit shown by the pulses. This action, similar to the double click action taken with a mouse input device on a computer, causes the communication unit to provide the response indicated on line, which is to provide a haptic response, such as a vibratory alert. The user, during the period of the haptic response, again squeezes the housing to generate a signal from the sensor. The communication unit responsive to the sensor input ends the haptic alert, and initiates the communication.
As described, a communication unit, such as communication device, provides an ability to silently and covertly initiate a selected communication. A user may initiate a selected communication without having to identify, select or manipulate pushbuttons or other input devices on the communication unit, which are constantly shrinking in size. That is, the user may initiate the communication with a macro-manipulation of the communication device. Additionally, in an emergency situation, the user may summon help without revealing that such a request for help has been initiated, as the microphone of the communication device will be active and capture and transmit all audio activity taking place around the calling party.
The communication need not be a telephone call to a predefined number. The communication may be a text message, a two-way communication alert, an email, a page or other such text, data, recorded message or recorded voice communication.

In the patent there are TIFF files with phone illustrations as applicable. That could be the next device coming from this new partnership.


I suppose it is also worth noting that Apple Computers COO, Timothy Cook, started serving on Nike's board of directors about 6 months ago.
post #56 of 95
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Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
I know nothing about Nike's business practices

How is it possible in this day and age to "know nothing about Nike's business practices"? Yet you "know" enough about Michael Moore to make a snarky comment about him?
post #57 of 95
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Originally posted by wilco
How is it possible in this day and age to "know nothing about Nike's business practices"? Yet you "know" enough about Michael Moore to make a snarky comment about him?

I'm referring to the major blockbuster conspiracy theory "documentary" released by Moore that made headlines for weeks on end. On that basis alone, I don't trust Moore. Conspiracy theories are ridiculous, therefore, if I read something that someone says about Nike that they heard from Moore, I'm not going to believe it on that source alone.

Nike doesn't get the publicity that Moore does, so yah, I don't know anything about Nike's business practices.
post #58 of 95
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"Nike+iPod is a partnership between two iconic, global brands with a shared passion for creating meaningful consumer product experiences through design and innovation," Parker said. "This is the first result, and Nike+iPod will change the way people run. Nike+iPod creates a better running experience. We see many more such Nike+ innovations in the future."

what the hell is the last thing Nike innovated? Sorry that sneaker with a fancy new swish is still just a sneaker. Oh and putting more padding on it or "pumps" [stupidest thing ever] doesnt count as innovation.

With that said, i do think the wireless dealy is an awesome idea-- i always go out of my way to go to a track so that i can monitor my distance accurately... this will eliminate that need i suppose. Kudos.
post #59 of 95
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Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
I'm referring to the major blockbuster conspiracy theory "documentary" released by Moore that made headlines for weeks on end. On that basis alone, I don't trust Moore. Conspiracy theories are ridiculous, therefore, if I read something that someone says about Nike that they heard from Moore, I'm not going to believe it on that source alone.

Nike doesn't get the publicity that Moore does, so yah, I don't know anything about Nike's business practices.

Now I get it. Since Rush Limbaugh didn't talk about, it doesn't exist.
post #60 of 95
whats all this hatred towards nike? they make kick ass products. i guess a lot of you dont work out or do anything physical besides sit here and type about how crappy a brand is and what not huh? lmao.


i mean there are other good brands like adidas and such but Nike def has the means and the focus to propel apple's fitness ipod and marketing to another level.


good combo in my opinion. stop fcking whinning.
post #61 of 95
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Originally posted by wilco
Now I get it. Since Rush Limbaugh didn't talk about, it doesn't exist.

Hey, I'm just giving my opinion on what seems logical to me. Whether I'm right or left makes no difference.

I don't trust Moore. Period. That's my opinion take it or leave it. Gosh!
post #62 of 95
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Originally posted by mike12309
what the hell is the last thing Nike innovated? Sorry that sneaker with a fancy new swish is still just a sneaker. Oh and putting more padding on it or "pumps" [stupidest thing ever] doesnt count as innovation.

With that said, i do think the wireless dealy is an awesome idea-- i always go out of my way to go to a track so that i can monitor my distance accurately... this will eliminate that need i suppose. Kudos.

Innovation is a good thing, but Nike is the biggest, most popular, and best known brand, and when you are co marketing, that's what matters.

Nike wouldn't have been interested in doing this witth Creative, and Apple wouldn't have been interested in doing it with Adidas, though they are MY favorite brand.
post #63 of 95
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Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
Hey, I'm just giving my opinion on what seems logical to me. Whether I'm right or left makes no difference.

I don't trust Moore. Period. That's my opinion take it or leave it. Gosh!

While you are right about Nike, almost all clothing companies have most of their product made somewhere, in a sweat shop. If you can find at least one major brand in any category, and you like their product, then you can buy it. The problem is that until someone finds a factory, and reports on it, you might think that a particular company is free of that, when they aren't.

The other problem is that these people, and even children, need jobs. I find it distasteful to comment too severely on other countries economies, when most all the people are very poor, and these companies are providing needed work. Most countries aren't industrialized yet. This is going to happen. The conditions in these factories tend to be at least as good at other natively owned factories in those countries, and are often better.

As far as Moore goes, he has a view. Perhaps it's a bit extreme, but it's no more so that those on the other side of the issue.
post #64 of 95
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Originally posted by wilco
Now I get it. Since Rush Limbaugh didn't talk about, it doesn't exist.



As for Moore, I'm pretty liberal, but I don't agree with the theatrics of some of his documentaries. Fact by fact though, he is usually accurate, whether you like him or not or his techniques.

Growing up in Beaverton Oregon, I've seen Nike become big time from little local shoe guys selling in high school parking lots. I don't trust any big corporation that gets that successful, even Apple, but they are more of a lightning rod then others who do the same thing. For many countries, some will have to go thru the same growing pains of industrialization that the US did before the middle class and labor laws changed things. Unfortunately most don't have the resources of a conquered continent to do so ... as well. Global corporatization of small countries needs more than unrestrained free marketeering to really be good for developing countries. They need to work for themselves, not for us.

That said, this is intriguing, but I doubt I would buy it.
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post #65 of 95
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Originally posted by frankie
Nike is a terrible company that is known for paying nothing to it's employees in sweatshops all over the world. Watch the Michael Moore flick 'The Big One' and listen to how much of an idiot Philip Knight is. I personally will never buy a Nike product, even though my love for Apple runs very deep.

But which sportswear company would you buy a product from?

They almost all use the same factories and suppliers in China, Thailand, Burma and Indonesia such as the massive Yue Yuen company with over 250,000 workers.

Michael Moore picked on the biggest company because they're an easy target and to some extent he was right as Nike have pulled the industry that way. Because the big three companies (Nike, Adidas and Reebok) use cheap labour, the rest of the companies have to in order to compete. If he was going to be totally fair though, he'd pick on the entire sportswear industry for continuing to let their sub-contractors get away with substandard working practices.

Apple have just gone with the market leaders. The ones that have Nike stores throughout the world. Their decision has nothing to do with ethics.
post #66 of 95
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Their decision has nothing to do with ethics.

That's why it's an extension of unethical behaviour by way of providing continuing streams of revenue for the morally bankrupt company known as Nike.
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post #67 of 95
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Originally posted by Gene Clean
That's why it's an extension of unethical behaviour by way of providing continuing streams of revenue for the morally bankrupt company known as Nike.

All the big sports companies are morally bankrupt though. It's a morally bankrupt industry on the whole. Even Job's favourite New Balance uses the same factories as Nike.

Even people like Converse, who are part of the RED campaign, use the same footwear manufacturers as Nike.

You could argue they shouldn't have tied up with ANY of the sportswear manufacturers but if that's the case then they quite possibly shouldn't also be using many of the components in any of their computers either.
post #68 of 95
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Originally posted by filburt
Unless the battery lasts at least a year on typical use (2-3 hours a week), spending $29 to buy both the sensor and receiver everytime the battery is depleted is going to be expensive.

Considering runners go through 4 - 6 sets of shoes (or more) per 12 month period that isn't an issue for them. $30 is a drop in the bucket.

That's why I bike.
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post #69 of 95
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Originally posted by Gene Clean
That's why it's an extension of unethical behaviour by way of providing continuing streams of revenue for the morally bankrupt company known as Nike.

So, tell me, what have you been doing lately to work against moral bankruptcy? Not that I disagree with the criticism, but most people that employ these arguments don't really help their alleged causes much either.
post #70 of 95
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Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
I know nothing about Nike's business practices, but I suggest you take whatever Moore says with a grain of salt

I believe that Nike's practices were fairly well known and documented before Moore said anything about it.
post #71 of 95
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
Even people like Converse, who are part of the RED campaign, use the same footwear manufacturers as Nike.

Nike makes shoes in the US? My New Balance shoes happen to be marked as made in the USA. I didn't buy them for social concience or conciousness. I wasn't even aware of that when I bought them.
post #72 of 95
When will Nike have a cell-phone in a dress-shoe...I wanna look down the road and see 50 yuppies impersonating Maxwell Smart
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post #73 of 95
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Originally posted by JeffDM
Nike makes shoes in the US? My New Balance shoes happen to be marked as made in the USA. I didn't buy them for social concience or conciousness. I wasn't even aware of that when I bought them.

New Balance have some production in the USA but much of their production is farmed out to far eastern contractors or "offshore" as it's quaintly known.

Further than that, they also part produce some shoes abroad and finish them off in the USA before slapping on 'Made in the USA'. Many of it's factory employees in the USA are temporary workers and have little rights. More than Vietnamese workers perhaps but it's certainly not exactly a workers paradise.

There's very few big companies which are pink and fluffy.
post #74 of 95
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Originally posted by mike12309
what the hell is the last thing Nike innovated? Sorry that sneaker with a fancy new swish is still just a sneaker. Oh and putting more padding on it or "pumps" [stupidest thing ever] doesnt count as innovation.

With that said, i do think the wireless dealy is an awesome idea-- i always go out of my way to go to a track so that i can monitor my distance accurately... this will eliminate that need i suppose. Kudos.

Nike actually happens to make some of the best Golf clubs in the world, particularly when it comes to drivers. My brother in law is a pro. golfer and he swears by them.

People have said that the battery in the sensor is not replaceable, but i've a funny feeling the sensor is charged by kinetic enery
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post #75 of 95
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Originally posted by a_greer
When will Nike have a cell-phone in a dress-shoe...I wanna look down the road and see 50 yuppies impersonating Maxwell Smart

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post #76 of 95
I bet the Nike shoes cost more than the Nano.
post #77 of 95
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Originally posted by rongold
They already have [patented it]. Here is an excerpt from the patent (US Patent Office # 20050048955):

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A user of a communication device may initiate a communication, i.e., a telephone call, a text message, a page, an alert and the like, silently, via a macro-manipulation of the communication device and without having to identify a particularly button or sequence of buttons on the communication device. The communication device may include housing into which is disposed a sensor that detects the macro-manipulation of the communication device by the user. An output from the sensor is associated with a particular communication context, e.g., a particularly telephone number to which a call is to be completed, a communication device to which a text message is to be sent and the contents of the text message, an email address to which an email is to be sent, a pager to which either a page number, text or numeric message is to be sent, and the like. Responsive to the output from the sensor, the communication device initiates the communication according to the define context. Thus, a user of the communication device may initiate a communication in total darkness, without removing the communication device from a purse or pocket, and without having to identify a particular key or keys on the communication device.
To avoid the possibility of inadvertently triggering the communication, such as by simply grasping the housing too firmly or by other circumstances that may cause the sensor to provide an output signal to the processor, a protocol for initiating the communication may be implemented. To initiate the communication the user is first required to twice quickly squeeze the housing of the communication unit shown by the pulses. This action, similar to the double click action taken with a mouse input device on a computer, causes the communication unit to provide the response indicated on line, which is to provide a haptic response, such as a vibratory alert. The user, during the period of the haptic response, again squeezes the housing to generate a signal from the sensor. The communication unit responsive to the sensor input ends the haptic alert, and initiates the communication.
As described, a communication unit, such as communication device, provides an ability to silently and covertly initiate a selected communication. A user may initiate a selected communication without having to identify, select or manipulate pushbuttons or other input devices on the communication unit, which are constantly shrinking in size. That is, the user may initiate the communication with a macro-manipulation of the communication device. Additionally, in an emergency situation, the user may summon help without revealing that such a request for help has been initiated, as the microphone of the communication device will be active and capture and transmit all audio activity taking place around the calling party.
The communication need not be a telephone call to a predefined number. The communication may be a text message, a two-way communication alert, an email, a page or other such text, data, recorded message or recorded voice communication.

Where on earth does that say anything along the lines of "we're going to cut holes in our shoes, and that's an original idea that no one should be able to copy."
post #78 of 95
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Originally posted by Shaun, UK
I bet the Nike shoes cost more than the Nano.

The black/red shoe featured on the apple site is $129
It comes with the iPod Sport kit

The cheapest nike+ shoe I could find is $85 (Air Max Moto+)
This does not include the sport kit

I will probably attempt to mod my New Balance shoes first before paying that kind of money.

I would love to see a similar product for cyclists.
Another great use for iPods would be to keep track of golf scores.
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Originally posted by Johnny Mozzarella
I would love to see a similar product for cyclists.
Another great use for iPods would be to keep track of golf scores.






I don't know how the cyclist thing would work, but when it comes to golf you wouldn't believe me if I told you how many times I thought about the iPod keeping track of golf scores. You do know that Nike loves golf don't you
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post #80 of 95
Is the information able to be extracted from the iPod, or does it just stay there like the stopwatch information?

The data seems like it would be good to merge and place in a database, to analyze training at a team level. Not to mention a low-cost way of doing it, considering what is used now.
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