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In a highly unorthodox moved by the traditionally tight-lipped company, Adobe Systems has followed up its official leak of details on Apollo with some gems on the next major release of InDesign.

In a private briefing with InDesignSecrets, the software company revealed four features planned for the next major release of the page layout application, which will ship in the second quarter of 2007 as part of Adobe Creative Suite 3.0.

The move comes just days after rival Quark announced a major overhaul to its own desktop publishing and page layout software, QuarkXPress 7.0. Although Quark called a last minute audible and released the software for Macs as a PowerPC native application instead of a Universal Binary, the company promised to release a patch that would deliver native Intel support by August.

Similarly, InDesign CS3 will also be a Universal Binary when it's released. The application is already up and running as a Universal Binary, Adobe revealed in demonstrations on a MacBook Pro.

One of the new features of the application, dubbed "Object Effects," will allow designers to apply Photoshop-like effects such as bevel, emboss and inner shadow, to any InDesign object including text. Meanwhile, another feature will allow transparency effects to be applied to an objects fill, stroke, or contents on an individual basis.

InDesign CS3 will also offer designers more control over the way they select and work with multiple files.

"You will be able to select more than one graphic or text file in the Place dialog box, and when you click OK, youll see a small thumbnail of each image next to the Place cursor," InDesignSecrets said in its report. "You can then quickly place each image or text file into a frame with a 'click, click, click.' Even better, you can cycle through the images loaded in the Place cursor with the arrow keys before clicking."

During the briefing, Adobe representatives said the adoption rate of InDesign CS2 has been extremely strong, especially in the magazine market.
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I was talking to an Apple Specialist on the phone yesterday that I've known for a dozen years. I've always used this guy to do repairs that required an Apple Authorized Technician at the last three places I've worked. I also buy all my major equipment from him. I pay a little more but I get great service when necessary. Anyways, enough of the background. I've been talking to him about purchasing a MacBook for personal use. We also got on the subject of probably purchasing a new workstation for the office this summer when the "Mac Pro" is released and he mentioned that Adobe expects to have CS3 ready to ship as a Universal Binary when Apple ships the "MacPro". Lets hope he's right!
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post #3 of 29
Feature #2: Universal Binary



Pretty insulting. Are you going to give money to a company that lists UB as a 'feature'?

Let's get this straight...UB is not a feature...it's a fact of life. Adobe and MS belong together as entities that don't give two shits about their clients. They should watch out...they're in for surprises...you hear that Brucie?
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Let's get this straight...UB is not a feature...it's a fact of life.

You're right. I can't see Adobe listing that as a feature, when we all know it's a given unless they're planning on throwing away the market. I'm guessing that it was InDesignSecrets that saw it as a feature, and not Adobe. Note how the way they describe it comes off as an observation on their part, as opposed to some secret revealed to them by Adobe.
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While I welcome the feature in and of itself, and can imagine some useful applications, my first reaction was...

Ye Gads more boilerplate Photoshop filters everywhere.

Thanks, that's all.
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Originally posted by kim kap sol
Feature #2: Universal Binary



Pretty insulting. Are you going to give money to a company that lists UB as a 'feature'?

Let's get this straight...UB is not a feature...it's a fact of life. Adobe and MS belong together as entities that don't give two shits about their clients. They should watch out...they're in for surprises...you hear that Brucie?

Then you can probably take your money to Quark. I hear they hold their customers in the highest regard.
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Then you can probably take your money to Quark. I hear they hold their customers in the highest regard.

Well I think I will Mister Smarty-pants!
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Oh boy ! bevels ! NOT.. Weee I can use 1980's filters on my work now.. wooo lets spend 1000 for that....
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Oh boy ! bevels ! NOT.. Weee I can use 1980's filters on my work now.. wooo lets spend 1000 for that....

ha ha ha Being a student is great! 250 baby!
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Originally posted by JeffDM
Then you can probably take your money to Quark. I hear they hold their customers in the highest regard.


I'd rather stick with Adobe than Quark (and, by the way, I know you were being sarcastic... )

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What Adobe needs to make a bigger deal about is InCopy. There's no real equivalent for Quark, and it's easy enough to use that the people in your marketing department (etc) can use it, eliminating the hassle of MS Word (a.k.a. Satan) or handwritten notes.

When you can turn a whole department away from MS Word, it's just such a beautiful thing.
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Originally posted by Splinemodel
What Adobe needs to make a bigger deal about is InCopy. There's no real equivalent for Quark, and it's easy enough to use that the people in your marketing department (etc) can use it, eliminating the hassle of MS Word (a.k.a. Satan) or handwritten notes.

When you can turn a whole department away from MS Word, it's just such a beautiful thing.

My biggest complaint about InDesign is the fact it doesn't have a spell check / Word setup inside the text boxes.
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I think we live in exciting times. a new Mac Pro with Adobe Creative suite 3.0 its all the machine any designer needs. Cant wait! Ill be the first to order!

I cant wait!
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Originally posted by fahlman
he mentioned that Adobe expects to have CS3 ready to ship as a Universal Binary when Apple ships the "MacPro". Lets hope he's right!

CS3 shipping before Vista's finished? Possible, but it seems unlikely.
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Maybe Quarks early bird schedule has Adobe fearing for some market share loss. I hope so because they need a good kick in the pants.
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Looks like I'll have to hit Bit Torrent about 2 weeks before it's released in stores... :-)
post #17 of 29
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Originally posted by Splinemodel
What Adobe needs to make a bigger deal about is InCopy. There's no real equivalent for Quark, and it's easy enough to use that the people in your marketing department (etc) can use it, eliminating the hassle of MS Word (a.k.a. Satan) or handwritten notes.

When you can turn a whole department away from MS Word, it's just such a beautiful thing.

Yea, but can you get them to stop putting in 2 spaces after a punctuation mark, or using spaces to get an indent (or tab alignment), or entering multiple tabs to tab over to the next line in stead of using a soft return? God, the manuscript text in "Final" files is going to get messy.
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Originally posted by kim kap sol
Feature #2: Universal Binary

Pretty insulting. Are you going to give money to a company that lists UB as a 'feature'?

Think of it from another perspective, not everyone is a computer expert. Not everyone cares what Universal Binary means, they just know Apple has hyped it to be this great 2 - 5 x faster application architecture so when your favorite desktop application comes around in a new version, which happens to be a Universal Binary — could it get any better? Besides that, why not list it? It'll get those with an Intel architecture who's built hatred for Rosetta more excited about CS3.
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Think of it from another perspective, not everyone is a computer expert. Not everyone cares what Universal Binary means, they just know Apple has hyped it to be this great 2 - 5 x faster application architecture so when your favorite desktop application comes around in a new version, which happens to be a Universal Binary — could it get any better? Besides that, why not list it? It'll get those with an Intel architecture who's built hatred for Rosetta more excited about CS3.

I agree, Universal Bionary is going to be a big selling point for the next versioin of Adobe's CS line of products. This is especially true if Apple releases a standard "Mac" line, or gets the entry point for the MacPro line backdown to the $1499-1599 range. Another potential help would be the release of an iMac with a 22-23" screen. I'm specifically thinking about the "low end" graphics professional or graphics production computers here, which don't require all the horsepower for Photoshop or 3D applications, but do require a big screen (and with InDesign I personally find a 20" monitor constricting). This lower entry point, coupled with a new OS, and UB versions of the core Graphics applications might be enough to tempt the big print production houses to go out and replace the aging G4's that they have been putting off replacing due to the economy, not to mention replaceing their relatively new G5's that they have been buying to hedge against the "long" switch scheduele and uncertain release of the applications that they need for every day use.
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Yea, but can you get them to stop putting in 2 spaces after a punctuation mark, or using spaces to get an indent (or tab alignment), or entering multiple tabs to tab over to the next line in stead of using a soft return? God, the manuscript text in "Final" files is going to get messy.

Two spaces after a period is not really a big deal to me, since I don't work for a newspaper. I prefer how two spaces spread the sentences over the new-age single space. I have paragraph presets that are used to do indenting and line spacing. The way InCopy works, it encourages users not to use tabs and the like, since it has an interface similar to the story editor in PageMaker. If you haven't been around that long, it's similar to the way a TeX program might work except without the clunky interface typical of open source apps. Plus, I did my job and provided enough teaching to make sure the job gets done right.

At the end of the day, it's vastly superior than working with word.


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My biggest complaint about InDesign is the fact it doesn't have a spell check / Word setup inside the text boxes.

It's not the best spell-checker, but there is one. Believe me, I have many complaints about InDesign, and if money were no object I'd be using Quark along with some Quark extensions, but one thing is certain: InDesign does have a spell-checker.
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Originally posted by Splinemodel
Two spaces after a period is not really a big deal to me, since I don't work for a newspaper. I prefer how two spaces spread the sentences over the new-age single space. I have paragraph presets that are used to do indenting and line spacing. The way InCopy works, it encourages users not to use tabs and the like, since it has an interface similar to the story editor in PageMaker. If you haven't been around that long, it's similar to the way a TeX program might work except without the clunky interface typical of open source apps. Plus, I did my job and provided enough teaching to make sure the job gets done right.

At the end of the day, it's vastly superior than working with word.


I was being sarcastic, but the truth of the matter is that no matter how long the Editors have worked in the print Industry, and no matter how many times they have been told that you shouldn't do the above in manuscript for print production they still do it out of habbit, and a lot of time and effort are spent in cleaning these very common "mistakes" up for print production.

InDesign/InCopy look like they are a very promissing solution, and I wasn't disagreeing with that. I have seen a number of demonstrations, and know that it is recieving a lot of attention. I don't know if it is really "There" yet, but I do know that it is being adopted by publishers now whether it is "There" or not.

Oh, and not using two spaces between paragraphs is not just for newspapers, it is standard in books as well. This was something that was devised back in the days of fixed width characters on typewrighters, and is considered to be poor typography. It may be OK for you and your clients, but as far as I know it is pretty much a standard not to use two spaces in the publish industry overall. Not trying to be "snotty" here, if it works for you and your clients great.

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It's not the best spell-checker, but there is one. Believe me, I have many complaints about InDesign, and if money were no object I'd be using Quark along with some Quark extensions, but one thing is certain: InDesign does have a spell-checker.

All OS X applications have spell check, it's built into the OS. If you have a 2 button mouse (or controll click) you can right click click on misspelled word and a list of options will come up in the contextual menue. I'm pointing this out becouse it is somthing that I find usefull that my wife taught me.
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Looks like I'll have to hit Bit Torrent about 2 weeks before it's released in stores... :-)

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post #23 of 29
Well, I'm pretty much over Quarks past problems, it seems they've learned their lessons, and I'm going to be checking out Xpress - I've played with the beta, and I really like the interface quite a bit more than dealing with InDesigns millions of palletes.
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CS3 shipping before Vista's finished? Possible, but it seems unlikely.

Why, has Adobe been holding back Indesign 3 for 3 years now?
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Why, has Adobe been holding back Indesign 3 for 3 years now?

InDesign 3 is already out, I even have InDesign 4 at work. CS 3 is the third version of the Creative Suite which will be InDesign 5, Illustrator 13, PhotoShop 10, Image Ready (?), Bridge 2 (?). A lot easier to market them as a suite with the same numbering than the mismach of version numbers of all the products that come with the suite, which is how most people probably buy the programs.
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Whups, I meant CS3. My previous comment was just to point out that if Adobe held back releases for Microsoft's Vista, they'd have released no new products or updates since 2003 when Vista was originally scheduled to ship.... :P
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Whups, I meant CS3. My previous comment was just to point out that if Adobe held back releases for Microsoft's Vista, they'd have released no new products or updates since 2003 when Vista was originally scheduled to ship.... :P

That makes sense. I don't think it makes sense to tie the release of any software to an operating system that's not yet shipping, unless you are paid a huge sum to do so, and I think that would have to be a huge sum for Vista. I can't imagine making the software specify a new operating system until it has been accepted for a year or you have a vested interest in promoting the operating system and not the software. Apple does that, and Microsoft does, but Adobe doesn't have an OS.
post #28 of 29
Great. New features to sloooow down my CS even more so than its unbearibly done now.

I'll settle for a speed increase of about 250%. Now THAT is something worth upgrading for!
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Originally posted by the cool gut
Well, I'm pretty much over Quarks past problems, it seems they've learned their lessons, and I'm going to be checking out Xpress - I've played with the beta, and I really like the interface quite a bit more than dealing with InDesigns millions of palletes.

Now that Quark is under new management, I think they have truely made an effort to remedy their past mistakes (educational pricing, new features, improved interface, better PhotoShop integration, etc.)

I haven't used version 7 yet, but one this I have always hated about Quark is all the tedious menu crawling you have to do. I MUCH prefer pallettes to menus for most things... so much faster to access. Now that Xpress finally has a contextual pallette, maybe I will not feel so constrained by the interface...

Still, Im sticking to InDesign for most projects (at least the ones I dont have to work on collaboratively with my Xpress-Centric coworkers)
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