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can you fit a 7200 rpm harddrive in a new MacBook???

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just wondering if this is possible? there are no options for a 7200 from Apple on the MacBooks but there are for the Pros.

im lookin to get a MacBook at end of summer (hopefully after all these "bugs" are addressed) and wanting to have all the bells and whistles on it since it'll replace my laptop and my desktop.

im shootin for: 2.0ghz, 2gb, and 80gb 7200rpm hd.


anyone tried this or can verify for certain whether or not its possible????

thanks!
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my macbook is currently running with a 100gb Hitachi 7200rpm HD and its screaming fast with 2gb ram. I bought the basic MacBook and self installed everything, for probably 1/3rd the Apple cost. Haven't ever had a better Powerbook or iBook, this thing is superb. Installation on both ram and HD into the MacBook took a total of 5 min, most of which was trying to get the stupid ram into the silly ram slots.

After reading benchmarks, there is really no reason to have the 2.0ghz version, the differences are so minute as to be silly when compared to the 1.83ghz.
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post #3 of 42
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werd

thats good news!!
yeah im def installin it all myself as well.

how much did your hd cost ya?

i was plannin on gettin my memory from newegg.com
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Originally posted by untsig
werd

thats good news!!
yeah im def installin it all myself as well.

how much did your hd cost ya?

i was plannin on gettin my memory from newegg.com

I bought two patriot brand 1gb sticks from new egg for around $85 each. the hard drive I bought from eWiz.com for $170. Both shipped super fast.
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sweet
thanks for your help and quick replies!!
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Given the reports of the excessive dissipated heat of the MB, you might want to rethink adding yet another heat source. There might be thermal reasons why they don't offer a 7200rpm drive...
post #7 of 42
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Originally posted by mikef
Given the reports of the excessive dissipated heat of the MB, you might want to rethink adding yet another heat source. There might be thermal reasons why they don't offer a 7200rpm drive...

I actually researched this. The Hitachi 7200rpm 100gb drive is quieter, uses less wattage (better battery life) and puts out less heat than the Fujitsu 5400rpm 60gb drive that shipped with my MB.
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Originally posted by sandau
I actually researched this. The Hitachi 7200rpm 100gb drive is quieter, uses less wattage (better battery life) and puts out less heat than the Fujitsu 5400rpm 60gb drive that shipped with my MB.

wow! that's impressive. and yet sad that it doesnt come standard.
post #9 of 42
I've got the same Hitachi HD in the base 1.8GHz MacBook - as well as 2GB. I did the exact same thing Sandau did - bought from OWC and saved a lot of money.

I've checked CPU temps and HD temps while idle and under load - the HD temp averages around 35C, and the CPU idles between 35-40C and tops out at 82ish under load before dropping to a constant 78C once the fans kick in.

Don't buy Apple RAM or HD - it's simple as pie to replace yourself and you can basically get a 'free' 7200 100GB drive for the couple minutes it will take you to do it.

Make sure to have the proper tools however - the HD enclosure uses torq screws, not normal philips ones.

EDIT: My MacBook came with a Seagate Momentus HD - not sure what the power and heat specs are on that, but the Hitachi is completely silent (even with my ear to the machine) and is running super cool.
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post #10 of 42
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Originally posted by The Pie Man
Make sure to have the proper tools however - the HD enclosure uses torq screws, not normal philips ones.

I noticed that right off, the torq screws...but i have a small screw driver set and fortunately they didn't use too much blue loctite (i noticed some on the front screws to keep them in from vibration). I simply used a flathead that fit, I didn't force anything and it worked fine.

Yes, the upgrade to the basic MacBook is fantastic. I'm loving this thing.
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Well fellas I think I'm going to join you two in the next few weeks, with a base 1.83 MacBook, upgrade to the 100 gig drive and 1 gig of RAM. Anyone think there's much of a difference between 1 and 2 gigs of RAM? I don't use insane apps too much that would notice the diff. I wouldn't think, but what about OS X itself? I've seen anecdotes here saying it actually would speed up OS X. Thoughts? I'm probably just going to stick with the gig. I have to take a trip to dealram and dealmac soon.

edit: so apparently all MacBooks/MacBook Pros use the same RAM. Good.

Something I noticed while at LowEndMac: Macintels can boot with USB drives! Yay! Okay maybe everyone else knew that but I didn't notice it. Hmm...I think for my next external drive I'll save some money and skip the FireWire.
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post #12 of 42
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Originally posted by Aquatic
Well fellas I think I'm going to join you two in the next few weeks, with a base 1.83 MacBook, upgrade to the 100 gig drive and 1 gig of RAM. Anyone think there's much of a difference between 1 and 2 gigs of RAM? I don't use insane apps too much that would notice the diff. I wouldn't think, but what about OS X itself? I've seen anecdotes here saying it actually would speed up OS X. Thoughts? I'm probably just going to stick with the gig. I have to take a trip to dealram and dealmac soon.

a gig is fine. i prefer 2gb because I run XP or Ubuntu in Parallels a lot of the time and I allocate at minimum 512mb ram to the virtual instance.

but, you might consider making the plunge since you'll toss out 2x256, then if you upgrade again, you'll toss out 2x512 to get to 2x1gb.
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post #13 of 42
If you're upgrading, definitely got for 2 X 1Gig.
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Geez good point, I'm going to be doing some HEAVY stuff in Parallels. ESRI ArcGIS ArcMap, in probably XP Pro or maybe 2000. And a few other things, hell maybe even a game or two. And it's only an additional 50% in price...158 for 2 gigs, 89 for 1 (in the x2 configs.) Hm...and according to dealmac just $109 for the 100 gig Hitachi! https://www.nowdirect.com/direct/par...art=OBM0A25025
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Originally posted by Aquatic
Hm...and according to dealmac just $109 for the 100 gig Hitachi! https://www.nowdirect.com/direct/par...art=OBM0A25025

the link goes to nowdirect.com (who?) and that's a 60gb drive according to the top header:
Hitachi Travelstar 7K100 60GB 0A25025.

i don't think i'd go with that seller....
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post #16 of 42
i really want to install a 7200 drive, good to know that it's working so far,
post #17 of 42
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Originally posted by sandau
After reading benchmarks, there is really no reason to have the 2.0ghz version, the differences are so minute as to be silly when compared to the 1.83ghz.

Unless, of course, one prefers to have a MacBook in basic black

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post #18 of 42
What about the differences between the 1.83ghz and 2.0ghz versions, like the combo drive vs. the superdrive? I think the upgrade from 1.83 to 2.0 may actually be worth it if you plan on making DVDs, right?
post #19 of 42
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Hitachi/0A31637/

Will that work with the MacBook? I'm not sure.

EDIT: Nevermind, I just found the options using the finder on the same website.
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Originally posted by MacRonin
Unless, of course, one prefers to have a MacBook in basic black

;^p

mm, dell black isn't for me....but maybe a nice green, blue, red, aqua, gel, platinum... if you're gonna pay a premium for a color, might as well get one that looks good. (macbooks available june 2nd)

http://www.colorwarepc.com/products/default.aspx
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Yeah that was a mistake. I hope they add more colors to the MacBook line, as well as the Mac mini and iMac line. Metal!? WTF. HALF the reason iMacs hit it big was they were "cute." Not to be sexist but over half the population is composed of women. And then there are guys like me. I was going to buy a colored MacBook. I used to looove the color of the Key Lime iBook and always wanted that. If they came out with a similarly striking MacBook I'd buy it. White and Metal are getting boring. And black isn't exactly gee whiz either. Long's it's not flower power. Anodized metal...whatever happened to that. And the skin that can change color. Or...I'd take a pink MacBook. Yeah, that's right. I'm kind of flamboyant. If I had decided to get the RAZR, which I didn't, I would have opted for the pink one.

So is the Hitachi the best 100 gig drive? (I'm talking power consumption and reliability, that's all I care about, not noise. )
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post #22 of 42
OWC sells a kit for about $12 that has all the screwdrivers that you would need to replace memory or the hard drive on the Macbook
post #23 of 42
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Originally posted by mikef
Given the reports of the excessive dissipated heat of the MB, you might want to rethink adding yet another heat source. There might be thermal reasons why they don't offer a 7200rpm drive...

The extra heat by a faster notebook drive is negligible at best. The T series Core Duo is rated for up to 31W, a 7200 RPM notebook drive is 2.5W max.
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ok everyone. i'm going to the Apple store to buy my White Macbook (the 2.0ghz with superdrive) next friday. i'm going to place an order on a hard drive tonight so i have it by next week. my plan is to upgrade the HD right away!

will this work?? --->
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822146231

also, this is my first mac AND laptop...so i'm totally new to this thing. you think i'll be able to install the HD easily myself?

now, MOST IMPORTANTLY! Will installing my own hard drive void my AppleCare plan?
post #25 of 42
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Originally posted by maccabea
ok everyone. i'm going to the Apple store to buy my White Macbook (the 2.0ghz with superdrive) next friday. i'm going to place an order on a hard drive tonight so i have it by next week. my plan is to upgrade the HD right away!

will this work?? --->
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822146231

also, this is my first mac AND laptop...so i'm totally new to this thing. you think i'll be able to install the HD easily myself?

now, MOST IMPORTANTLY! Will installing my own hard drive void my AppleCare plan?

1. No, you need a Sata (PATA) notebook hard drive. Also, that's just 'bigger' you might consider 'faster' too, as in getting a 7200rpm.

2. Yes, its pretty smokin' easy.

3. Only if you fux0r something up, which you'd really have to try hard and use a hammer or something like a crowbar.
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post #26 of 42
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Originally posted by maccabea
will this work?? --->
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822146231

also, this is my first mac AND laptop...so i'm totally new to this thing. you think i'll be able to install the HD easily myself?

now, MOST IMPORTANTLY! Will installing my own hard drive void my AppleCare plan?

It won't work. You need a notebook drive that is SATA. The drive you linked is the older ATA standard.

You cannot void the Applecare warranty by upgrading it yourself, but if you break anything, then you will have to pay for the repairs.
post #27 of 42
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Originally posted by maccabea
ok everyone. i'm going to the Apple store to buy my White Macbook (the 2.0ghz with superdrive) next friday. i'm going to place an order on a hard drive tonight so i have it by next week. my plan is to upgrade the HD right away!

will this work?? --->
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822146231

also, this is my first mac AND laptop...so i'm totally new to this thing. you think i'll be able to install the HD easily myself?

now, MOST IMPORTANTLY! Will installing my own hard drive void my AppleCare plan?

I'm not sure if that HD will work. I believe the Macbook takes SATA 2.5" drives... I can't tell if the one you linked to is SATA or not. If it is, then yes it'll work. Also, yes you can install the HD pretty easily on the Macbooks, assuming you have the right tools. And finally, installing your own hard drive will NOT void the Applecare warranty, as long as you any problems you may have in the future are not HD related (or due to your installation).
post #28 of 42
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Originally posted by axc51
I'm not sure if that HD will work. I believe the Macbook takes SATA 2.5" drives... I can't tell if the one you linked to is SATA or not. If it is, then yes it'll work. Also, yes you can install the HD pretty easily on the Macbooks, assuming you have the right tools. And finally, installing your own hard drive will NOT void the Applecare warranty, as long as you any problems you may have in the future are not HD related (or due to your installation).

I see what you mean. After looking into it, I do see that drive will not work with the Macbook. I saw that Seagate has a 100GB drive compatible with the Macbook, but I need as much space as possible...perferably 120.

So, could anyone let me know which HD (Manufacturer/Model) Apple puts in the Macbook with the 120GB HD?

Also..what are the "right tools" you spoke of for installing the HD 8)

..And thanks everyone for the help! I'd be so lost if it wasn't for all the useful info spread on here
post #29 of 42
Go on to Other World Computing--they have two hard drives that will fit the Macbook--both are 100GB but run FAST

They can recommend a 120GB I'm sure--

they also have a video to show you how install it

they also sell a kit that contains the screwdrivers you need--for$12

On the apple site there are instruction too to tell you how to install the hard drive


It is easy
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Also..what are the "right tools" you spoke of for installing the HD 8)

The only unusual tool for MacBook hard drive replacement is a #0 Phillips screwdriver. You will find it in any "jeweler's" screwdriver kit, available at any hardware store worth its welcome mat.

Read these instructions first:
http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Mac...dDrive_DIY.pdf
post #31 of 42
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Originally posted by maccabea
So, could anyone let me know which HD (Manufacturer/Model) Apple puts in the Macbook with the 120GB HD?

Here's the link to the OWC webpage... the first three HDs should work fine.
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/hard-.../2.5-Notebook/
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Originally posted by maccabea

So, could anyone let me know which HD (Manufacturer/Model) Apple puts in the Macbook with the 120GB HD?

The 120GB drive is probably the 5400RPM Seagate Momentus 5400.2.

The actual drive product number you're searching for is ST9120821AS.

A quick search of some shopping sites yielded this list of stores and prices.
http://geek.pricegrabber.com/search_...terid=10598364

I would have liked to order the drive from OWC along with my RAM, (macsales.com) but they didn't have the drive listed on their website.

I ordered from computergiants.com when the price was $175 shipped before it jumped, but I'm not recommending them now because the drive "supposedly" shipped 2 days ago, but I called them today to get a tracking number because it wasn't showing up on their website, and they said they had to "call the warehouse" and would email it to me. That email hasn't arrived, and this afternoon when I call back, "all of their customer service representatives are away from their desks or assisting other customers". My Macbook arrives tomorrow and i don't have a drive to put in it...

So, in short, DON'T ORDER FROM COMPUTERGIANTS.COM!!!
post #33 of 42
thank you all soooo much for the feedback, links, help, etc. I watched that installation video from OWC and it does look quite simple!

And also, thanks for the heads up on not to buy from computergiants. i really hope you get your drive soon, natec

now, one more question! (sorry to be a pest!)
I'm really wanting to stick with Seagate...my boyfriend's dad works for them and I'd feel like a traitor if I bought from another manufacturer, cause he'll be asking me what I got and all... haha.

So will this one work in the MacBook? -->http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=S9120821AS

And is eWiz a reliable place to order from?

Thanks again everyone!
post #34 of 42
I don't personally know about e wiz--but I do know about Other World Computing--and they are reliable

If you call them, I'm sure they can sell you a Seagate 120MB that will work for you--they may be more expensive, but they are reliable. That is, if Seagate makes them-that will fit in the Macbook-I know they sell Seagate hard drives.
post #35 of 42
Regarding tools--you might check but in addition to the Phillps screwdriver, you might need a torx screwdriver--check it out before you do it.

You do know that you will also have to reload the software using the install disc--that too is easy--the hard drive you install doesn't have an operating system or any of the add on software. The install disc will come with the computer.
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Originally posted by sammick
Regarding tools--you might check but in addition to the Phillps screwdriver, you might need a torx screwdriver--check it out before you do it.

You do know that you will also have to reload the software using the install disc--that too is easy--the hard drive you install doesn't have an operating system or any of the add on software. The install disc will come with the computer.

The T6 you might be referring to is probably for the MacBook Pro. Apple's MacBook hard drive upgrade docs don't mention needing a T6, just a #0 Phillips.
post #37 of 42
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Originally posted by maccabea
So will this one work in the MacBook? -->http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=S9120821AS

And is eWiz a reliable place to order from?

Thanks again everyone!

Yes, from the specs listed, it seems like it should work. I've never ordered from eWiz before, but it seems like a pretty good company. You can check the ratings here: http://www.resellerratings.com/seller5721.html

Good luck with your purchase!
post #38 of 42
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Originally posted by sammick
Regarding tools--you might check but in addition to the Phillps screwdriver, you might need a torx screwdriver--check it out before you do it.

You do know that you will also have to reload the software using the install disc--that too is easy--the hard drive you install doesn't have an operating system or any of the add on software. The install disc will come with the computer.

gotcha I've installed many hard drives over the years in PC towers for friends who were afraid to rip open their computers haha.. so I'm all familiar with the reinstallation process (just not on a mac, just yet). Basically the day I buy my standard white MacBook, I'll just be taking it home to take it apart and reinstall everything!
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gotcha I've installed many hard drives over the years in PC towers for friends who were afraid to rip open their computers haha.. so I'm all familiar with the reinstallation process (just not on a mac, just yet). Basically the day I buy my standard white MacBook, I'll just be taking it home to take it apart and reinstall everything!

Reinstalling from scratch isn't even necessary, just copy from one drive to the next using a cloning program and the right external enclosure.

Install the new drive, take the old drive and put it in an external Firewire to SATA enclosure, it will probably have to be a 3.5" enclosure though, and they might be a bit hard to find. Boot from the external drive and run SuperDuper and clone from the old drive to the new. Set the boot volume in System Preferences to the newly installed drive and you are done.

The main reason I suggest a Firewire to SATA enclosre is that I don't think the Intel Macs can boot from USB, the PPC Macs can't, but all Macs with Firewire can boot from external Firewire drives.
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Originally posted by JeffDM
Reinstalling from scratch isn't even necessary, just copy from one drive to the next using a cloning program and the right external enclosure.

Install the new drive, take the old drive and put it in an external Firewire to SATA enclosure, it will probably have to be a 3.5" enclosure though, and they might be a bit hard to find. Boot from the external drive and run SuperDuper and clone from the old drive to the new. Set the boot volume in System Preferences to the newly installed drive and you are done.

The main reason I suggest a Firewire to SATA enclosre is that I don't think the Intel Macs can boot from USB, the PPC Macs can't, but all Macs with Firewire can boot from external Firewire drives.

i thought of something like that but then realized i dont have any external enclosure to use. all i have is a crummy old PC. so i think it will be easier in the end if i just run the install disk.
Question: once i turn on the laptop right after i put in the new blank HD, do i just pop in the installation disk and it will start to run/install automatically? i've used macs quite a bit, but never had to run a fresh installation on one.
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