Originally posted by SDW2001
Mainstream conservatives have always been uncomfortable with some of Bush's policies, that's true. That doesn't mean that we're going to vote Democrat though. It does mean we're going to express displeasure when a pollster calls and asks about job approval.
It does go beyond Bush. I think what you have is a realization that the conservatives are not actually running things on the Congressional side, and a further realization that Bush is really not going to get control of the purse strings anytime soon. Couple that with anger over immigration and setbacks in Iraq, and you have your numbers explained pretty well.
Take the Senate immigration bill, which is what this thread is about. It sucks. Conservatives want border security before all else. They're unhappy with the Senate bill. And, while the Republicans have not addressed the issue while they've been in power, we did hope that the conservatives would win the day and we'd get a better bill. At present, it doesn't look like that's the case. Bush has also not taken the lead on this, which further pushes his numbers down.
All that said, your portrayal of conservatives is laughable. It really just plays into your worldview: To vote for Bush or the Republicans, one must be either stupid or rich.
Right. So conservatives have been guarded in their support of Bush all along, they have just done a really good job of keeping it secret. Polls tell us nothing useful, because, inexplicably, conservatives are prohibited from telling the truth to pollsters, even if it means choosing "somewhat support" over "adore unconditionally". You know all this because you have the secret conservative mind reading gene.
Is there something about the conservative mindset that encourages believing that non-conservatives are incapable of noticing the recent past? Your line of reasoning is weirdly similar to the post "no-WMD" scramble to repurpose the Iraq invasion and pretend like that was the deal all along and "everybody" knew it.
It's really simple: Bush does wildly not conservative things and sets a belligerent, take-no-prisoners tone at home and abroad. Conservatives overwhelmingly
support him. Bush embarks on an ill-founded preemptive invasion of Iraq, conservatives overwhelmingly support him, and join in a big old orgy of liberal bashing, angrily denouncing the leftist terror loving pussies. Bush runs up giant national debt, conservatives decide debt no longer a problem. Bush installs secret government surveillance programs, conservatives decide keeping the revenuers out of yer bidness no longer a problem.
I mean, this did all happen very recently
, you know. Pretending that there were all these disaffected conservatives who kept it to themselves and didn't act on their feelings in any way but you just know they were there isn't much of an inoculation.
No, none of it is a problem until it all falls apart and the right realizes that running as a Bush republican isn't such a bright prospect-- and, Presto!
We never really liked him all along! We had, um..... Secret Misgivings.
Oh, and, look here, we can prove it: We Hate His Stand On Immigration, and, no, we don't find the timing to be cynical, why do you ask?
The funny thing is that you, SDW, are a perfect case in point for the bind that the Republicans find themselves: you can claim to be principled and to part company with Bush on any number of issues, but here you are, tirelessly defending Bush and the Republicans on every single point of contention
that comes up. Except: wait for it-- immigration!
Rich or stupid? You have me confused with someone else. My word would be reactionary, plus the reflexive will to power at all costs that comes with the conservative obsession with seeing themselves as "beleaguered outsiders". As in easily herded by cultural wedge issues and the specter of the liberal elites mandating gay marriage. And, of course, cultural wedge issues will be the center-piece of the mid-term elections, as they have been for the last 30 years or so.
And if it doesn't work this time because the policies they enableded have proven to be harmful to the country in ways that no one can ignore, and that the whole "tomorrow belongs to us" thing has kind of gone off the rails, please don't pretend they didn't work before and that Bush was a conservative that betrayed your trust. Ya'll knew exactly
what you were voting for.