Official World Cup Thread - Page 14

Mon Zizou! What did the nasty Italian SAY to you?

I said already! "Hey Zidane! Bet you won't headbutt me in the chest!"

Haha, great answer.

Adult entertainment? Getting violent on simple insults? My junior high school students have grown out of that already.

Happily!

If I want violence, there's K1, boxing, the evening news.

Lip reader reveals what Materazzi said.

Come on According to... , Sources say... sounds
pretty familiar. I don't say the site is a Mock up, but the
writing is based on pure speculation.

I am very keen on hearing the true words that italian bastard tossed
at Zisou.
Also, i don't think Bloodymerazzi droped one singe insult
to Zisou, he did it permanently from the beginning. Believe me.

Splinemodel,

I guess you're right, some people won't get it that it is fundamentally wrong to headbutt someone in response to a verbal insult. Sure, gives you fleeting satisfaction ("he called my mother a $£%^& and I thumped him. It felt good"), but is hardly to be commended.

Furthermore, just how stupid do you have to be to react to a comment designed to annoy in the middle (sorry Gilsh - towards the end) of the World Cup final? France were the only team really trying to score by that stage, Italy looked dead on their feet. It was crying out for some Zidane magic.

splinemodel wrote

Are you really suggesting that anything goes on a sports field as long as the paying punter is entertained?

Cheers,

David

Just a quick comment on the penalty shootout. Does anyone else agree that it was virtually a masterclass in how to do it?

Virtually all of them were played at pace into the corners, giving the keepers almost zero chance of saving them. Even the one miss was only inches out, rather than the pathetic efforts of the England team (barring Hargreaves of course).

If you are going to hit them half pace, just off centre, then you had better make sure you hit them after the keeper has committed himself, and then do it in the other direction.

Cheers,

David

I'm really struggling to understand you, to be honest.


So because football is a game, person A is at liberty to headbutt person B, on the grounds that if football didn't exist society as a whole wouldn't be much worse off?


I agree. What I do expect of a professional athlete who's been at the top of the tree for a decade or more is to behave professionally. Surely that isn't too much?

I'd be with you if you couched your response along the lines of "in the grand scheme of things, such as the war in Iraq and the on-going Palestine question one man headbutting another doesn't deserve the acres of newsprint it is gathering". Well, yes, obviously. Still doesn't make his behavior justifiable.

However, I don't think that's what you were getting at, was it?

Cheers,

David

A headbutt has no excuse. That's why he deserved the red paper. No the word inexcusable is overkill. If I kill your child : I am inexcusable.

He lost control under repeated insults coming from the Italian footballer. There isn't any law against insulting other players while playing football. But that's not a reason to say it's OK.

Headbutts are a very bad example for the youth. But insulting others players in order to make them angry and comit mistakes is also a very bad example.

Absolutely, absolutely. My words.

Ah, poor man................someone says a few things to you and all self control disappears..........

Anyway, quoting from the BBC website:

QUOTE

Materazzi defended himself on Tuesday in the Italian newspaper La Gazetta dello Sport, when he said: "It was the kind of insult you will hear dozens of times and just slips out of the ground."

"I did not bring up Zidane's mother; for me a mother is sacred."

Materazzi and Zidane became involved in a verbal spat with 10 minutes to go in extra-time with France and Italy drawing 1-1 in the World Cup final.

After Materazzi's insult Zidane shoved his head into the Italian's chest and was sent off, with Italy going on to win the match 5-3 on penalties.

"I held his shirt, for only a few seconds," said Materazzi, who had scored Italy's equaliser after Zidane put France ahead from the penalty spot.

"He turned towards me and scoffed at me, looking at me with super arrogance, up and down.

"He said 'if you really want my shirt, you can have it later.'

"It's true, I shot back with an insult."

BBC Radio Five Live asked for help from a deaf lip reader, Jessica Rees, who read the words phonetically to an Italian translator.

She deciphered the insult as being "you're the son of a terrorist whore" - a translation also carried by many national newspapers in Britain on Tuesday.

The BBC's Ten O'Clock News also called in experts to study the television footage of the incident and determined the following:

Materazzi's first word to Zidane was "no" before he then told him to "calm down".

He then accused him of being a "liar" and wished "an ugly death to you and your family" on the day the Frenchman's mother had been taken to hospital ill. This was followed by "Go f*** yourself".

END QUOTE

Anyway, it's well known Italian players spend the whole game lying and cheating, so we can discount his version, can't we?

Cheers,

David

link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...06/5169342.stm

Sorry about that. Not intentional. My bad since I didn't understand your clear point. I read and reread your comments, and I think I've got it now.

Which is that you'll excuse the headbutt as the game was drifting to penalties, and as a France fan you've now got something to talk about for a week. Got it, I think.

David

My experience of moderator here, told me that people will lost control for less ...

Buffon appear to me like a nice guy, but I would not be pleased to have a diner with materrazi ...

For the version, there will be an official investigation by the FIFA.

Now I am suprised that someone from UK, the country of gentlemen where football and most sports are born, find normal to insult the opponements in a major championship.
Zidane was to blame for his headbutt, and was blamed. He loose a lot of credit for doing this. But what about Materazzi ?

Gee, that's surprising. Not. Leave me out of your silly posts. Thank you.

I just read in the news a very interesting note: The FIFA
could deprive Italy of the World Cup, IF they can get
evidence, what Materrazii really used for his insult.
Article 55 in FIFA code clearly says:

If players, officials (and ...) do behave in a very discriminating
and/or inhuman manner, (...) the squad they belong to can be
(...) disqualified.

To put it in other words, Italy didn't go through yet. I guess
this thread isn't finished yet too.

You mean there is still a chance for the US to get the cup. In almost all contest where you individuals marking each other closely each player is looking for an edge. Sometimes it is just to distract for a second so they can make a move. Other times it is to distract them from the game. If they are thinking about what you said then their mind is not on the game. If you think what he said was bad, you have not heard what goes on in basketball or football (US football).

reg

Maybe a cup of coffee No?




Are you saying to insult people on the field is part of
the game, and we better get used to that reality soon?
I think it is unbearable. I believe i want to believe

The worst things are said in the stands. We went to a Eagles / Redskins game in Philly last year and some of the fans were ridicules in what they said and how they acted. I guess that is why they were suppose to put a court in the lower part of the stadium. I will say that the ushers did respond quickly and escorted several out.

reg

Another example of someone reading what they want to read! Nowhere did I say it was normal or acceptable. Don't think I implied it, either. FWIW, as reg says, it is normal (usual), in almost all close contact sport for verbals to be given.

All I've said is Zidane is a moron for reacting as he did to a verbal insult, and thus deprive his team of their best player for the last few minutes of the World Cup final.

David

PS in a famous exchange during a cricket match, a bowler asked a batsman "how come you're so fat?". The batsman replied "because whenever I f@*k your wife she gives me a biscuit". Far better than whacking him one, don't you think?

I don't want to deprive Italy of the World cup. I just want that Materrazi is blamed if there is proof he used insults.

Zidane will make a declaration this evening (It's morning here in France).

No you just say nothing about this. Silence look like approval. And I disagree that it's normal in close compact sports to exchange insults, usual perhaprs, but normal : never.

It's morning here in Germany too. Btw, in our news there is
no such announcement regarding this declaration you mentioned.
Zisous manager basically says, that Zisou will tell the truth,
when time seems to be right. Whatever that does suppose to mean.

It's being reported here (UK) that Zidane will make a TV appearance at 8pm CET, and will say what was said.

I think we'll never really know, unless both Zidane and Materazzi make exactly the same claim (which, frankly, isn't likely). I suspect that in the noise of the ground, the only 2 people who heard exactly what was said were the two guys, and no-one else.

For those interested, Martin Samuel of The Times has an excellent article on the subject.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...266124,00.html

Cheers,

David

Well, this article is good and disturbing at the same time.
I guess we will have to wait until Zisous declaration this evening.
Although right now i highly doubt that this declaration will be satisfying
at all. It will merely approve the sheer banality of the situation.
(Someone insulted someone else, and therefor he lost self control,
what a pity.)

Well basically Zidane said that Mazeratti have very hard (read silly) words about his mother and sister. He apologies to the kids and to the crowd for this unforgivable act, but do not regret anything.

I hate to say it, but I have more sympathy for Zidane. We've all done something stupid; in his case the consequences were just larger and more public. It's the way he ended his career, and he'll never be able to shake the feeling that they could have won if he had stayed in. I feel more identification with the guy who was provoked than the one who successfully did the provoking.

...blah blah blah...I love Zidane.

I love the fact that I can tell Italian fans to their face that they couldn't win if Zidane was on the field.

While everyone is sorry for the French, it will be fun to have four years to point out that Italians have a thing for match-fixing.

And getting away with it. Some politicians wanted a pardon in case Italy won. If the people support a pardon aswell.....\