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A soon-to-be-released update to Apple Computer's Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger operating system will include a significant update to the company's synchronization app, tipsters tell AppleInsider.

Over the weekend, the Cupertino, Calif.-based Mac maker continued its rapid seeding of Mac OS X 10.4.7, releasing build 8J2126 for Intel-based Macs.

In this latest build, Apple is reported to have tweaked metadata handling and sound playback. Fixes were also employed for screen and window display issues.

According to tipsters, Mac OS X 10.4.7 also packs a new version of iSync, which includes support for several mobile handsets not supported in the current release (iSync 2.2). One of these phones is said to be Motorola's RAZR v3x.

Previous reports have indicated that Mac OS X 10.4.7 will also deliver improvements to Apple's iChat, Mail, Calculator and Safari Web browser applications.

It will be the seventh maintenance and security update release for Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger since the operating system made its debut in April 2005.
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Now if only Samsung phones would be supported...
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Nothing new about Q2DX?
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Ah, the ever changing Calculator app. Every release a fix to Calculator.
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I hope this fixes the syncing Issues I've had with my MOTO RAZR and iCal...

yeah?

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wtf can they possibly fix with the calculator? seriously? how come they never fix the things i seem to need.

how about fixing the poor airport connection with MBP's or the whining issue.
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wtf can they possibly fix with the calculator? seriously? how come they never fix the things i seem to need.

how about fixing the poor airport connection with MBP's or the whining issue.

They've made it possible to divide by zero. Isn't Apple amazing!
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how about fixing the poor airport connection with MBP's or the whining issue.

I don't think they can do a software update for humans yet to get them to stop complaining.

Seriously, my impression of the MBP whining is that it is a mechanical issue, not software. If I had that problem, I'd be taking it back until the fan or the system was replaced.
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Hopefully they fix syncing with older Sony Ericsson phones like the K700.
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Originally posted by Timothy
Hopefully they fix syncing with older Sony Ericsson phones like the K700.

I used to be able to send texts with my Mac from Sony Ericsson T610i through Address Book.app but for some reason my K700i & my latest phone K600i will not function the same???
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They've made it possible to divide by zero. Isn't Apple amazing!

Reminds me of my favorite "Chuck Norris can..."

Chuck Norris can divide by zero.
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Hopefully, 10.5 will overhaul syncing completely, so that you can sync all your mail messages between a desktop and laptop, rather than just the account information.
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Hopefully, 10.5 will overhaul syncing completely, so that you can sync all your mail messages between a desktop and laptop, rather than just the account information.

Been able to do that for a long time. Just use IMAP.
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Ah, the ever changing Calculator app. Every release a fix to Calculator.

Yep, that's become one of my favorite changes.
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Ah, the ever changing Calculator app. Every release a fix to Calculator.

I've often wondered about that.
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Originally posted by JeffDM
I don't think they can do a software update for humans yet to get them to stop complaining.

So, who else are the updates for? You sound as though you are not one of *us*.

Are you another Timelord?
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Is there any developper here who has a build of 10.4.7 with this new iSync?
If so, can you please tell us if there is support for one or several Samsung mobile phones?
The newest sliders such as the SGH-D520, E900, Z550 and D870 use an open variant of SyncML, and not their proprietary protocol anymore. I don't know about he new LG KG-800 "Chocolate" though.
I am a bit pessimistic becauses these new phones are available in Asia and Europe but not yet in the USA.
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Originally posted by Cosmos 1999
Is there any developper here who has a build of 10.4.7 with this new iSync?
If so, can you please tell us if there is support for one or several Samsung mobile phones?

Where would one look to see if these phones are supported, without having the phones?
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Originally posted by lundy
Where would one look to see if these phones are supported, without having the phones?

Doesn't Apple supply that info? It could be available on the developers pages, but maybe not for public use.

Besides, very often devices work that Apple hasn't announced support for.
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Doesn't Apple supply that info? It could be available on the developers pages, but maybe not for public use.

Besides, very often devices work that Apple hasn't announced support for.

No, there aren't any pages or discussion forums for paid ADC. Always a sore spot. If you call or email them, you get fantastic service though.

I can check in 10.4.7 for the phones if they are listed somewhere. FWIW, iSync is Version 2.3 (Build 500.86). Is that different from the 10.4.6 install?
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I'm hoping for 10.4.7 to have the same trackpad right-click shortcut that 17" MBP and 13" MB users get to use for 15" MBPs. The lack of it for the 15" MBP is annoying and makes no sense.
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Originally posted by lundy
FWIW, iSync is Version 2.3 (Build 500.86). Is that different from the 10.4.6 install?

Interesting. It's Version 2.2 (108.0) in 10.4.6
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Originally posted by Cosmos 1999
Is there any developper here who has a build of 10.4.7 with this new iSync?
If so, can you please tell us if there is support for one or several Samsung mobile phones?

There are no Samsung phones at all in the plist. There are icons with labels, none of which have the numbers you listed. Is this right - that there are no Samsung phones sold in the US?
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There are no Samsung phones at all in the plist. There are icons with labels, none of which have the numbers you listed. Is this right - that there are no Samsung phones sold in the US?

Not even close! Samsung is popular here. I had a Samsung i330 Palm based PDA for several years.
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Originally posted by aegisdesign
Been able to do that for a long time. Just use IMAP.

As I understand it, using IMAP means keeping all your mail on your server.

For anyone who works in publishing, (or anybody who receives a lot of graphics/attachments) that's not an option.

My Mailboxes folder is 3.5GB. And I doubt anybody's ISP is going to keep that volume of mail up on a server.

I want to be able to reliably sync my laptop mail with my desktop mail each night.
Apple can easily build this feature into Leopard. It's just an extension of what's already there.
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As I understand it, using IMAP means keeping all your mail on your server.

For anyone who works in publishing, (or anybody who receives a lot of graphics/attachments) that's not an option.

My Mailboxes folder is 3.5GB. And I doubt anybody's ISP is going to keep that volume of mail up on a server.

I want to be able to reliably sync my laptop mail with my desktop mail each night.
Apple can easily build this feature into Leopard. It's just an extension of what's already there.

If you have 3.5Gb of mail attachments then there is something you don't get about email services. Buy a 3U space off of a nation-wide ISP in a collocation facility and then run WebDav with SVN to archive these attachements. Make a secure account for your clients to upload these attachments and then drag a link into Mail.app to reference the changes.

Either access it via WebDav or a client SVN application that allows you to update your account with your centrally located 3.5Gb and growing attachment archive.

IMAP frees you up to be anywhere in the world and access your email.

Think about your needs and then address them accordingly.

You may not like this advise but then again with WebDav and SVN you can make sure you don't flood email pipes with large binary blobs unnecessarily.
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Whilst I hate to admit owning a PocketPC device, until PocketOSX arrives many of us are stuck.

I'd love to see iSync supporting these devices. Apple would only have to develop this one solution and a huge range of PocketPC devices would be supported.

PocketMac plain doesn't work and certainly doesn't deserve the Pro title it's authors claim. Mark/Space would seem to have similar issues.

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Yeah, you're not supposed to keep huge email attachments as part of the mail messages, because there are limits on the storage of email. Even Google tops out at I think 2 GB.

Download them, save 'em in a database, put 'em on an FTP site, etc.

You can run an AppleScript on them to tag the files with the sender's email address as you download the attachments. That way you remember who sent them. You could also tag the attachment with the message ID of the original message.

In fact, I'd advise setting a Mail rule that ran a script on every incoming message that would save any attachments to the hard drive in a particular folder, then you can put either a Folder Action or a launchd action on that folder and have it upload anything it gets to your ftp server.

Of course, the absolute best solution is not to accept incoming work as email attachments, but rather as uploads to an ftp server. You give every client an account on the server and they can only upload to their own folder.
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Originally posted by mdriftmeyer
If you have 3.5Gb of mail attachments then there is something you don't get about email services. Buy a 3U space off of a nation-wide ISP in a collocation facility and then run WebDav with SVN to archive these attachements. Make a secure account for your clients to upload these attachments and then drag a link into Mail.app to reference the changes.

Either access it via WebDav or a client SVN application that allows you to update your account with your centrally located 3.5Gb and growing attachment archive.

IMAP frees you up to be anywhere in the world and access your email.

Think about your needs and then address them accordingly.

You may not like this advise but then again with WebDav and SVN you can make sure you don't flood email pipes with large binary blobs unnecessarily.

Frankly, that sounds like a needlessly complicated and (I'm surprised I'm saying this) almost hopelessly inelegant arrangement.
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Originally posted by melgross
Not even close! Samsung is popular here. I had a Samsung i330 Palm based PDA for several years.


From what I've read elsewhere, Samsung's software is not, and will never be compatible with iSync... This includes their implementation of Bluetooth. For us poor Sprint cell users, this means almost no Bluetooth phone choices that will sync with our Macs.
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From what I've read elsewhere, Samsung's software is not, and will never be compatible with iSync... This includes their implementation of Bluetooth. For us poor Sprint cell users, this means almost no Bluetooth phone choices that will sync with our Macs.

I used Markspace and never had a problem. That's what it's for. I'd rather have the phone I want, and pay $40 or so for the sync program, then have a phone I don't want, just because it will natively sync.
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From what I've read elsewhere, Samsung's software is not, and will never be compatible with iSync... This includes their implementation of Bluetooth. For us poor Sprint cell users, this means almost no Bluetooth phone choices that will sync with our Macs.

Not quite. A friend of mine (PC user) came to my home and said he didn't manage to connect his Samsung mobile phone with his PC via BT. I fired up Bluetooth File Exchange on my iMac G5 and told the software to pair it with his listed phone, and all went fine after the mutual acceptance of codes. We transfered several files between the devices. So "Samsung Bluetooth protocol" is Mac-compatible (but that's the way Bluetooth is made for BTW).

The "problem" with Samsung phone is not Bluetooth, it was the way the information was organized to synchronize your life events (calendar, contacts...), because it was all proprietary so no iCal nor Address Book sync.
Now Samsung appears to use SyncML (Synchronization Markup Language) and is even an official sponsor of the OMA (Open Mobile Alliance) which standardize SyncML.

But... nova media, which create iSync plugins for unsupported phones, says Samsung SyncML is a bit different than the SyncML standard used in iSync, and thus for now they cannot implement theses phones, Apple needs to add some things in iSync before.

There is a discussion on Apple Support pages about this issue.
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Originally posted by lundy
Yeah, you're not supposed to keep huge email attachments as part of the mail messages, because there are limits on the storage of email. Even Google tops out at I think 2 GB.

Download them, save 'em in a database, put 'em on an FTP site, etc.

You can run an AppleScript on them to tag the files with the sender's email address as you download the attachments. That way you remember who sent them. You could also tag the attachment with the message ID of the original message.

In fact, I'd advise setting a Mail rule that ran a script on every incoming message that would save any attachments to the hard drive in a particular folder, then you can put either a Folder Action or a launchd action on that folder and have it upload anything it gets to your ftp server.

Of course, the absolute best solution is not to accept incoming work as email attachments, but rather as uploads to an ftp server. You give every client an account on the server and they can only upload to their own folder.

I appreciate the reply. When I switched to Mail, its Rules weren't quite there yet.
I'll look into it.

This isn't a dealbreaker by any means. I enjoy working on my 12" PB in my satellite office and I am always careful to transfer any sent mail on my laptop to my main machine.

And the PB doesn't wipe the mail off the server when it checks, so my main machine always has my full record of correspondence.

But as Jeff says, all this is workable, but inelegant and un-Mac-like.

I should be able to dock my laptop and desktop each night and find that in the morning both machines are up to date.

If a Blackberry can sync its mail messages with a PC desktop, why can't two Apple-produced machines do the same thing?

I really believe that this is a reason more business users don't buy both a laptop and desktop machine, because of the fear that they'll be caught offside with a needed file on the other machine.

The bottom line is, build in real dual-machine file sync capabilities into Leopard, and I believe Apple will sell a lot more hardware.
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This isn't a dealbreaker by any means. I enjoy working on my 12" PB in my satellite office and I am always careful to transfer any sent mail on my laptop to my main machine.

And the PB doesn't wipe the mail off the server when it checks, so my main machine always has my full record of correspondence.

But as Jeff says, all this is workable, but inelegant and un-Mac-like.

I should be able to dock my laptop and desktop each night and find that in the morning both machines are up to date.

If a Blackberry can sync its mail messages with a PC desktop, why can't two Apple-produced machines do the same thing?

I really believe that this is a reason more business users don't buy both a laptop and desktop machine, because of the fear that they'll be caught offside with a needed file on the other machine.

The bottom line is, build in real dual-machine file sync capabilities into Leopard, and I believe Apple will sell a lot more hardware.

I fail to see what's not elegant about IMAP folders. WebDAV and SVN, sure but that's more for archival purposes which it sounds like you should be doing.

I'd love to see you sync 3.5GB onto a Blackberry.
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Because it's a big change that forces us to do something in a radically different way and purchase other services that we really don't need. That's not elegant to me.

Just synch my damn desktop and laptop accounts and where ever I go in the world with my laptop I am good to go. When I get home or back to work, one button to resynch them over the wireless, let 'em resynch and everything is hunky-dory. Worst case, one network jack to connect and hit the same button.

THAT's elegant.
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[B]Because it's a big change that forces us to do something in a radically different way and purchase other services that we really don't need. That's not elegant to me.

Huh? I've yet to come across an ISP that doesn't have IMAP. All it takes is for you to switch the account in mail from POP3 to IMAP usually. Done.
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Huh? I've yet to come across an ISP that doesn't have IMAP. All it takes is for you to switch the account in mail from POP3 to IMAP usually. Done.

But what you suggested wasn't just IMAP, but in conjunction with a colo'd server (money), using some sort of other services I've never heard of patched together with custom software.
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Originally posted by lundy
There are no Samsung phones at all in the plist. There are icons with labels, none of which have the numbers you listed. Is this right - that there are no Samsung phones sold in the US?

iSync is developed in France because Europeans get all the good phones first. Samsung is very popular in Europe so I wonder why they don't do some extra work to get their phones play nice with iSync.
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But what you suggested wasn't just IMAP, but in conjunction with a colo'd server (money), using some sort of other services I've never heard of patched together with custom software.

Actually, I didn't suggest anything other than IMAP for syncing mail.

WebDAV is the protocol used by Apple for iDisk.

SVN is 'Subversion' - a version control system. I'm not sure why that was suggested as WebDAV has built in version control.

All three are standard on Macs and not custom at all. All are open standards.
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iSync is developed in France because Europeans get all the good phones first. Samsung is very popular in Europe so I wonder why they don't do some extra work to get their phones play nice with iSync.

iSync is developed in France ?
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