Originally posted by TenoBell
The myth is that he uses it. If it isn't true I haven't heard him dispute it.
I don't know of any publication that regularly documents the audio post path of television shows and movies. So there really is no wide record of what has been used for each show.
I agree for larger budget shows are more likely to have an expensive sound edit and mix. But I do know that STP is being used.
Nope, but there is someone who I can ask. I do know that Scrubs does not have as large a budget as most television shows. I think they are working with around $600,000 to $800,000 per episode. While the average network show is around 1.2 million per episode. So I have heard they keep everything as slim as possible.
The myth? The article on the apple website brags about films that were edited with Final Cut Pro. If they're editing and mixing with it, why would they pass up an opportunity to mention that? There ARE plenty of articles online mentioning the various equipment used on each show (mostly Pro Tools for audio), but none that I've found talking about mixing or editing in STP.
Sure, you know that STP is being used. But it's only being used on the most basic, low budget, low production value shows. I think that speaks volumes about the state of the software. I'm sure it also gets light work on other shows before the audio is handed off for the final editing, sound design and mix.
If you have a source on scrubs, go ahead and ask. I'd love to hear specifically what they're using. FYI, a google search turned up an article from Digidesign's website from a couple years ago talking about how Scrubs did 100% of their audio editing in mixing in Pro Tools, with the music done in Logic along with Pro Tools hardware. It's possible that they dumped PT for STP, but I doubt they'd be willing to take such a huge step down. Not to mention that if they've already bought the PT systems, there's no cost savings in dumping what you already have and already works well. Even for a $600k per episode show, there's no question that they can easily afford a one time cost of $10-15K for a decked out pro tools system.
If scrubs was mixing in STP, why wouldn't apple mention that on their website? They already have a relationship with the Scrubs crew.
Remember, one of the big costs of a show like that is labor. If using PT saves time over using STP, the labor costs will make the "cheap" app more expensive in the long run. This is a show that is basically produced in a week, I can't imagine them being able to make that deadline using an app as slow and buggy as STP.
Originally posted by hmurchison
No I don't use STP. But since I work for an Apple reseller I have viewed the data and presentations. STP isn't Logic Pro by any stretch. Apple doesn't expect for you to record and mix your next feature length film on it either. It's great for tweaking dialogue and adding some tracks that can be kept or replaced at a later date with higher quality material.
Do you mean that they never plan for STP to be an app capable of that? FCP is capable of editing a feature film, why wouldn't they want to offer a similar app to handle the audio, especially when they are capable of shippng one of the best midi apps with Logic Pro? It seems like STP isn't very useful if the intention is just to use it for light cleanup before sending the audio to Pro Tools for the real mix.
Having used STP and many other audio apps, I can tell you that STP is NOT "great" for tweaking dialogue. It works, mostly. If you're willing to deal with incredibly slow load times, missing features, kludgy interface, numerous bugs. Not to mention that FCP import/export still has a ton of problems. It's probably better than FCP for editing dialogue, but that's about it.
STP isn't Logic but it shouldn't be. It's intended for completely different use. But it should (at least eventually) be as powerful and as useful as Logic.
And I still don't get how Apple expects to make it an audio app that gets any real use or competes with other audio apps if they don't even offer a way for audio guys to buy the app without spending hundreds on other apps that are useless to them?