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Sony have launched a new sub note book with an 11.1 inch screen The Register



If only it would run OSX
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I know.
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In related news, Sony is still looking for a new design team.
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Looks like any other VAIO I've ever seen, complete with those cool Intel & Windows stickers.
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WOW!!!

That is just completely...........



underwhelming.
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7 hours battery life, carbon fibre case and dual layer DVD burner. You're right nothing special.
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7 hours battery life, carbon fibre case and dual layer DVD burner. You're right nothing special.

Did you see the price tag? Or that the battery life doesn't apply any more pretty much right after you try and actually do something with it?
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So why is this conversation in future hardware?
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So why is this conversation in future hardware?

Maybe Addison wishes for Apple's new design theme to be purple?
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7 hours battery life, carbon fibre case and dual layer DVD burner. You're right nothing special.

carbon fibre is gay.
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It's a nice laptop if you need ultra portable. I hate the keyboards on this size laptop though.

I wouldn't say I'm drooling over it but it's a solid unit.
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post #12 of 30
Sony laptops are pretty nice... but running OSX? Nah. Think I'd prefer the Macbook running windows (only when absolutely necessary of course).
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How well do sub notebooks sell? The first sentence in the article is Sony's latest attempt to get Europeans to fall in love with sub notebooks.

I'm no fan of them the screen and keyboard are just too small to be usable.

The price isn't cheap that would be over 3,000 USD.
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That laptop has been out for around 5 months. Nothing new. Oh and the guy that said "carbon fiber is gay". I think your gay and should get over your envy. Ive seen the laptop around 1800. 7 hours of battery life, dvd r, celular access, and less than 2.5 pounds. Man I'm getting one. Hell I can put two in my backpack for one macbook.
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Originally posted by antartican
That laptop has been out for around 5 months. Nothing new. Oh and the guy that said "carbon fiber is gay". I think your gay and should get over your envy. Ive seen the laptop around 1800. 7 hours of battery life, dvd r, celular access, and less than 2.5 pounds. Man I'm getting one. Hell I can put two in my backpack for one macbook.

I just wish Apple would make one and stop being so freekn weird about meeting obviious demands in the portable market. They have a line of notebooks that are "portable" but nothing that is truly "portable" compared to their current line.

It that machine ran OSX, I would have two of them.
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Just give me a 13" MacBook Pro and I'll be happy. Just take a 13" MacBook, wrap it in aluminum instead of plastic (that should make it a little smaller and lighter, not to mention better-looking), put a real GPU in there with dual DVI support, give me a lighted keyboard, ambient light sensor, and a non-glossy screen as an option, and I'll be a happy camper. I can live without the ExpressCard/34 slot that the rest of the Pro models have.

Price this around $2000 -- same as a low-end 15"-er now -- and I'm there. I'll pay the same price as the 15" for a 13" model because for some of us smaller is feature. (It would be nice if for $2000 you got a little more RAM and/or HD capacity than the low-end 15", just to even things up a bit.) I just bought a 15" MBP a little over a month ago, but I'll put it on eBay within a year if Apple starts making the 13" MBP that I really wanted to be able to buy.
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Originally posted by shetline
Just give me a 13" MacBook Pro and I'll be happy. Just take a 13" MacBook, wrap it in aluminum instead of plastic (that should make it a little smaller and lighter, not to mention better-looking), put a real GPU in there with dual DVI support, give me a lighted keyboard, ambient light sensor, and a non-glossy screen as an option, and I'll be a happy camper. I can live without the ExpressCard/34 slot that the rest of the Pro models have.

Price this around $2000 -- same as a low-end 15"-er now -- and I'm there. I'll pay the same price as the 15" for a 13" model because for some of us smaller is feature. (It would be nice if for $2000 you got a little more RAM and/or HD capacity than the low-end 15", just to even things up a bit.) I just bought a 15" MBP a little over a month ago, but I'll put it on eBay within a year if Apple starts making the 13" MBP that I really wanted to be able to buy.

It would be more expensive than the equivalent 15-inch MacBook Pro, because smaller components are more difficult to manufacture.
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It would be more expensive than the equivalent 15-inch MacBook Pro, because smaller components are more difficult to manufacture.

The thing is I'm basically just talking about a MacBook with a few features added. Apple sells the black MB for $1500. The exact same configuration in white (bump the 60GB drive to 80GB) -- no difference except the color of the plastic -- goes for $1350. Apple charges a $150 premium just for black plastic! (Hell, even knowing how stupid that is, if I were buying a MacBook I might pay the extra $150 anyway.)

So, let's say we're starting with a base price of $1350 for a MB with a 2.0 GHz Core Duo processor, 512MB, 80GB. For $650, all I'm asking for is:

Aluminum casing instead of plastic.
Lighted keyboard with ambient light sensor.
Non-glossy display option.
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 (I'd settle for the 128MB version) instead of the Intel GMA 950.
While we're at it, throw in another half gig of RAM, maybe even go to 2.16 GHz and 256MB for the graphics.

That's not really a lot to ask for for $650 more.
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Originally posted by shetline
The thing is I'm basically just talking about a MacBook with a few features added.

No, you're talking about a MacBook Pro with a smaller screen.

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That's not really a lot to ask for for $650 more.

But you also want all that to fit in the very same horizontal dimensions, not to mention a thinner and lighter case.
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For those of you too lazy to read Chucker's and khroel's posts, I'll sum them up with "IT'S NOT MADE BY APPLE SO IT SUX"
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Originally posted by Placebo
For those of you too lazy to read Chucker's and khroel's posts, I'll sum them up with "IT'S NOT MADE BY APPLE SO IT SUX"

That may be your perception of my posts. However, I do like some other brands. Samsung makes some excellently-designed laptops. IBM, while apparently invariably engineering with their eyes closed, makes very sturdy ones. Panasonic does interesting outdoors stuff.

That's pretty much it. Dell is only interesting in their Latitude line, at which point they aren't cheap (which is their usual advantage), and Sony is only interesting for "ooh, aahhh, it's a Sony", until your inverter cable starts breaking down and the 'F' key stops working and costs $300 to replace.

I'm pleased to see that you think I'm an Apple apologist, because I always enjoy when others want to try and fit me into archetypes and stereotypes: it's very telling about their flaws.
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How well do sub notebooks sell? The first sentence in the article is Sony's latest attempt to get Europeans to fall in love with sub notebooks.

I'm no fan of them the screen and keyboard are just too small to be usable.

A Macsubbook doesn't have to be. It's an 11.1" widescreen LCD. Think a 12" Powerbook with an inch lopped off the top. The screen and keyboard could be as wide as that Powerbook. With the smaller dot pitches of today's LCDs, it could have perhaps an 1152x768 resolution, no worse than the 1024x768 of the 12", which I found acceptable. The keyboard would be unaffected, although I personally never had any real problems touchtyping on a much smaller keyboard when I owned a handheld PC. Sure, I lost about 10% of my speed, but no big deal. I, for one, would love a lighter, thinner subnotebook, even if it meant dealing with a slightly smaller keyboard.
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I'm pleased to see that you think I'm an Apple apologist, because I always enjoy when others want to try and fit me into archetypes and stereotypes: it's very telling about their flaws.

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i can't stand the slant of the case/keyboard in vaio's. it doesn't look like a solid notebook.
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Originally posted by Chucker
But you also want all that to fit in the very same horizontal dimensions, not to mention a thinner and lighter case.

Why shouldn't what I propose fit in the "very same horizontal dimensions"? I don't really care if my MBP has nearly the same guts as an MB underneath. That should work just fine unless replacing the GPU or adding a lighted keyboard is more of a reworking challenge than I imagine.

The 12" PowerBook, after all, wasn't much more than a glorified iBook clad in aluminum instead of plastic. Just changing the enclosure wrapped around nearly the same innards resulted in a slimmer and lighter end result. The same should hold true for putting a slightly modified MB into an aluminum enclosure.

I was pretty happy with my 12" PowerBook, even if it didn't have the full range of feature of the 15" and 17" members of the PowerBook line. Since MBs are already closer in features to MBPs than iBooks ever were to PowerBooks, a "glorified MacBook" in an aluminum enclosure would suit me just fine.
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Originally posted by shetline
Why shouldn't what I propose fit in the "very same horizontal dimensions"?

Um, because you're fitting *more* into the *same*?

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I don't really care if my MBP has nearly the same guts as an MB underneath. That should work just fine unless replacing the GPU or adding a lighted keyboard is more of a reworking challenge than I imagine.

You seem to be missing that
1) a GPU takes some space, not to mention a lot of engineering to get the cooling right. The MB doesn't have to deal with this.
2) the keyboard illumination takes some space for the light, not to mention a lot of engineering to get the balancing right. The MB doesn't have to deal with this.

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The 12" PowerBook, after all, wasn't much more than a glorified iBook clad in aluminum instead of plastic.

Yes, but the iBook had a GPU, unlike the MacBook, and the 12-inch PowerBook had no backlit keyboard, unlike what you want.

Ergo, neither difference was actually there.

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Just changing the enclosure wrapped around nearly the same innards resulted in a slimmer and lighter end result. The same should hold true for putting a slightly modified MB into an aluminum enclosure.

Except that you want more vast modifications.

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Since MBs are already closer in features to MBPs than iBooks ever were to PowerBooks

Not so. They use the same chipset, GPU and RAM, but that wasn't any different between iBooks and PowerBooks either. Yes, the iBook's CPU and FSB frequencies were lower, but that was more of an artificial limitation for business purposes than a technical challenge.
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A company I used to work for gave a bunch of us VAIO's. That turned out to be a pretty short run experiment.
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post #28 of 30
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Originally posted by Chucker
Except that you want more vast modifications.

Without exact specifications, we're both obviously arguing in part in a vacuum. Neither of us really know exactly how much extra space a lighted keyboard takes up over the basic MB keyboard, nor how much extra room the ATI GPU (and any associated extra cooling) takes up vs. the Intel video chip that's already in there.

What I propose, however, hardly seems like "vast" modification. Perhaps your sense of the word "vast" is a bit different than mine.

Given the price point that the MBs sell at, I imagine there's a little wiggle room for saving a little space here and there in the design without a major overhaul. Further, suppose that a lighted keyboard has to be just a little thicker than the basic MB keyboard. The savings in overall thickness of the whole unit by using aluminum instead of plastic might balance that out, or result in only a small increase in thickness while length and depth could both still be reduced.
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post #29 of 30
Wow. Another Sony. Don't expect it to last too long. isn't there a SonyInsider site somewhere...
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post #30 of 30
Why is it that so few computer manufacturers seem to understand the concept of aesthetics?

Maybe the VAIO has better specs than a MacBook, fine.

But it's UGLY!

How hard is it to make a laptop LOOK good? Not hard at ALL! I have no idea why no company other than Apple seems able to manage it. Sure, Alienware, Voodoo, Falcon Northwest; they can do a decent job at it, but a "low-end" FragBook from Falcon is $2,707.72!

I would have a hard time using something so frikkin UGLY as a VAIO.
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