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For the second time in as many years, Apple Computer is looking to outshine rival Micrsoft Corp. in the inevitable battle between the two companies' software operating systems.

There's still over a month to go before Apple will take the wraps off Leopard, the next version of Mac OS X, but already the rumor mills are abuzz over a couple of purported screenshots that depict some long-rumored features of the software.

Leopard is due to hit the market about the same time as Microsoft's Vista, and sources say Apple has been keeping a close eye on the Redmond, Wash.-based software giant. They say the Mac maker has been developing a handful of features for Leopard that will specifically rival those available to Vista users -- some will make the cut for Leopard's release while others may not.

One of the rumored features is said to be OS-level integration of a geographical mapping technology, similar to Microsoft's Virtual Earth. In recent months, Microsoft has made several acquisitions aimed at bolstering its Virtual Earth division, including a buyout of Vexcel Corp.

According to sources, Apple has been working on a similar approach, but modeled after Google's Maps feature. The technology will presumably allow Leopard users to scour the globe through satellite imagery and whisk up driving directions on the drop of a dime.

Another rumored feature of Leopard -- one which appears to be shown in the unauthenticated Leopard screenshots -- is the unification of Apple's Address Book and iCal applications into a single app. Interestingly, the two screenshots making the rounds on the Web this week indeed show a revised Address Book icon that also displays a date. This is coupled with the absence of the traditional iCal icon in the Mac OS X Dock.

Still, the juiciest rumors surround Apple's Boot Camp and where the company may or may not take the technology. Although sources did not explicitly say that Boot Camp would be transformed into a complete virtualization solution, they did say the technology is being groomed as a rival to Microsoft's Virtual PC Express.

In March, Microsoft released an "Early Release" of Virtual PC Express, saying it would allow users "to run an operating system as a host (such as Windows XP Professional) and run another operating system as a guest in the virtual machine (such as Windows 2000)."

"This Early Release does not support Windows Vista since Windows Vista has not yet been released," Microsoft said. "When Windows Vista Enterprise ships in late 2006, it will include Virtual PC Express, which will support Windows Vista as a host operating system (as well as additional enhancements such as support for 64-bit)."

Feature specifics aside, there have been some other rumblings about Leopard. In very much the same way Microsoft decided to market its next-generation OS under the name Vista (rather than its code-name "Longhorn"), Apple is also rumored to be mulling a "more marketable" name for its next-generation OS. However, it's unclear if Apple will ultimately go through with the change.

Apple plans to unveil Leopard for the first time at its World Wide Developers Conference, which runs from Aug. 7 - 11 at the Moscone Center in San Francisco, Calif.
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In very much the same way Microsoft decided to change the name of Vista (originally the code-name was "Longhorn")

No, they didn't.

Longhorn was the codename, Vista the product name. It's that simple. Longhorn was never meant to be the final public product name on a box that gets put out in retail.

I really, really don't understand why people keep rehashing this nonsense.
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No, they didn't.

Longhorn was the codename, Vista the product name. It's that simple. Longhorn was never meant to be the final public product name on a box that gets put out in retail.

I really, really don't understand why people keep rehashing this nonsense.

Yeah. That is exactly right, Longhorn was the codename, not the release name. Similarly XP was called Whittaker in development.

I'm not sure that Apple will rebrand 10.5 Leopard as something else. All the OS Xs have been cat named, and it would seem strange to deviate from this before XI (or whatever comes next?).
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Who knows if this is real, but if it is, you guys missed the most interesting part of the screenshots. Look at the "About This Mac" window. In addition to listing OS version, processor, etc., it also lists Windows version (XP with service pack)! Clearly, Windows is integrated into/alongside of the Mac OS.
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You know when I think about those pics of "leopard" I at first blush think they are fake but then again when I saw the shots of Tiger and Dashboard Widgets I thought the same thing.

This could in fact be real.
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WTF is wrong with that Internet Explorer in the screenshot? I'm talking specifically about the UI--look at the scroll bar. That looks just like Vista's IE, which means:

A) Screenshots are a total fake

B) Mac OS X is running Windows software, as IE for Mac is dead?

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Similarly XP was called Whittaker in development.

"Whistler", actually. It refers to a ski resort in Canada, not very far north of Microsoft's Redmond/Bellevue campus. "Longhorn" is a pub there; "Blackcomb", which refers to another future Windows version, is a sister mountain.

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WTF is wrong with that Internet Explorer in the screenshot? I'm talking specifically about the UI--look at the scroll bar. That looks just like Vista's IE, which means:

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B) Mac OS X is running Windows software

Yes, that's the point. Hence the Boot Camp menu extra and the Windows version displayed in the About box.
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The finder looks like it gets a nice update. Tab'd windows will be nice but not as nice as running AutoCad 2007 on my Mac desktop.
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WTF is wrong with that Internet Explorer in the screenshot? I'm talking specifically about the UI--look at the scroll bar. That looks just like Vista's IE [...]

It's not using the Vista Aero theme, but XP's "Silver" theme. As far as the IE chrome goes, yes, that is IE 7. (The Vista edition will be called IE7+.)

As far as the screenies go, I call fake. No doubt in my mind. Apple would never use a tacky-ass transition effect like that; I don't see them doing virtual desktops (not when 3rd parties like VirtueDesktop have implemented it rather well already); and I don't see the drop-down menus from Safari making their way to the Finder.

However, as far as the DarkBrush(tm) theme from the iLife apps making its way to the Finder goes, that's pretty obvious (unless Apple does something even newer).

Also take a look at the spacing of the items in the Finder sidebar -- it's off.

Integrating Address Book and iCal (please be called Calendar in Leopard, please!!) also makes no sense to me. Whatever happened to small apps doing one thing, and doing it well?
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I call fake too ... keep that IE shit FAR FAR away from my computer. It also scares the hell out of me to see "Windows" on the "About this Mac" screen. Don't do it Apple ... don't f*ing do it...

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I think it's far too late to rename iCal to Calendar, as much as I wished for that to happen.
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For the second time in as many years, Apple Computer is looking to outshine rival Micrsoft Corp. in the inevitable battle between the two companies' software operating systems.

And when was the first time, exactly?
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The Apple fan club will need to accept people need windows so smooth the transition in Mac. That is all.
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I think it's far too late to rename iCal to Calendar, as much as I wished for that to happen.

Nonsense. It's never too late. I mean, was it too late to rename PowerBook?

Question is, will they do it?
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For the second time in as many years, Apple Computer is looking to outshine rival Micrsoft Corp.[/c]

I can't recall a time when Apple didn't outshine that OS called Windows. But never mind that...

Fake!! Tabs in a finder Window?! I don't think so.
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The Apple fan club will need to accept people need windows so smooth the transition in Mac. That is all.

I need AutoCad so I need it permantly...
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This is fake. Notice on the About This Mac window, it says 1 GB DDR SDRAM.

I checked and all Intel Mac's use DDR2 Ram.
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Just a little over a month away ... this is getting exciting. Can't wait to see the preview.
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I'm also looking forward to the preview at the WWDC.
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I do not think these "screenies" are fakes. The windows in the about box would be a nice addition so that it gave you all of the os information for all of the operating systems that you may have on your machine. As far as IE. Wow, I hate that miserable program. But, it may be showing us that instead of rebooting into another os, which i find useless, it may allow you to have them running from within the mac os. This is what I feel that Apple must do. Having the ability to run multiple os environments on one computer is awesome for "That one program" you have to run not available on the mac platform, such as custom work software, developers, etc. But I feel that it must ultimately be under the umbrella of your main os that you use. Otherwise you become schizophrenic. As far as the transition into another user, screenshot, Apple has been using their "Cube" transition available in imovie and FCP for quite a while now. That particular transition is called "Warp", and is one of my favorites. I think they are ready for this change, as "Cube" was the coolest at the time it was implemented, now "Warp" is the coolest of its time.
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The Apple fan club will need to accept people need windows so smooth the transition in Mac. That is all.

That's funny. I used a Windows PC my whole life and switched to Mac in December. I never needed Windows to smooth my transition. In fact, I threw my old PC out around a month ago because it was taking up space in the corner and I wanted to put a cat bed there instead.
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I threw my old PC out around a month ago because it was taking up space in the corner and I wanted to put a cat bed there instead.

That's some funny stuff. Welcome.
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That's funny. I used a Windows PC my whole life and switched to Mac in December. I never needed Windows to smooth my transition. In fact, I threw my old PC out around a month ago because it was taking up space in the corner and I wanted to put a cat bed there instead.


Not everybody uses Adium for MSN and Safari for IE. Some people need actual apps that don't exist for OS X (talk to aplenub about AutoCad for example).

What should they do, toss their job together with their PC?
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WTF is wrong with that Internet Explorer in the screenshot? I'm talking specifically about the UI--look at the scroll bar. That looks just like Vista's IE, which means:

A) Screenshots are a total fake

B) Mac OS X is running Windows software, as IE for Mac is dead?


NOPE...one can easily change an icon in a package like FF that is open source...and there are at least a handfull of Vista-like skins floating around for FireFox...and making one ain't tough.
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I can't recall a time when Apple didn't outshine that OS called Windows.

Give me Win 98 2nd edition over OS 8 any day any time.
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Give me Win 98 2nd edition over OS 8 any day any time.

OS 8 must have sucked for you old schoolers.
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Not everybody uses Adium for MSN and Safari for IE. Some people need actual apps that don't exist for OS X (talk to aplenub about AutoCad for example).

What should they do, toss their job together with their PC?

First of all, who uses MSN? Everyone I know under the age of 40 uses AIM. And what does that have to do with tossing a job with a PC?

Second, many people only have computers for personal use. Even so, I use a PC at work, but not to transition myself - only because that's all that's there. There's nothing I can't do on there with a Mac since it runs MS Office. The only substitute I'd have to make is Safari or Firefox for IE.

Many potential switchers are students who don't need PC only software. No one who has a retail or food service job would be worrying about "apps that don't exist for OS X". Administrative assistants don't usually use any PC only software. Not everyone in the world is under the same circumstances, so you really can't assume that everyone has the same needs when transitioning from Windows to Mac.

To answer your question, I know a few people who use PC only apps (sucks for them) but in reality, it is not an issue for most switchers. No, the people who need to run PC software shouldn't toss their job with their PC. I never said they should. All I said was say that I didn't need Windows to hint that you shouldn't generalize by saying "people need windows to smooth the transition in mac" just because SOME people do. No one is stopping those SOME people from using a PC.
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NOPE...one can easily change an icon in a package like FF that is open source...and there are at least a handfull of Vista-like skins floating around for FireFox...and making one ain't tough.

Changing icons ain't exactly rocket science. You can change the icons in any MacOS X application, not just the open source ones.
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I know this doesn't mean anything but it's interesting to note that we have had Mac OS 10.4 and prior for PPC based Mac's and that Mac OS 10.5 going forward will have Intel based Mac's.

What's my point? Maybe 10.0 - 10.4 was to develop all the core OS stuff and then 10.5 - 11.0 will be a complete transition to a whole new kind of platform.

I dunno. But for some reason I have always gotten more excited about OS updates then hardware updates. Maybe that is because hardware updates are inevitable and we have a pretty good idea of what happens next but as for an OS update we have no idea how we will be computing next with what kind of technologies.

Just my 2¢
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I believe the screenshots to be true and I believe that while Bootcamp will allow users to do in Leopard what their doing now with the beta version in Tiger. I also believe it will allow Mac OS X to use the Windows Kernel in a protected environment to run Windows programs inside Mac OS X, kinda like Java. Kinda. Who really needs Windows in a window, all you want it in a window for is the programs. Apple is about to go and blow away customer expectation once again when it comes to Windows support. That or this is all just one big misunderstanding. Why do people have to fake stuff and put us all on edge?
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Give me Win 98 2nd edition over OS 8 any day any time.

Mac OS 8 ruled, and anyone who says otherwise is a liar.

Tempo and its successors brought us HFS+, long filenames, and later on, Sherlock.

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One of the rumored features is said to be OS-level integration of a geographical mapping technology, similar to Microsoft's Virtual Earth. In recent months, Microsoft has made several acquisitions aimed at bolstering its Virtual Earth division, including a buyout of Vexcel Corp.

According to sources, Apple has been working on a similar approach, but modeled after Google's Maps feature. The technology will presumably allow Leopard users to scour the globe through satellite imagery and whisk up driving directions on the drop of a dime.

I am having a hard time believing this. I can understand why MS is working so hard on it's Virtual Earth because it wants to compete with Google. But I don't know why Apple would create it's own Map service. Of course, crazier things have happened. Nobody thought Apple would create a widget system in 10.4
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I'm not too excited about a potential map system from Apple... the one from Google is pretty good. Maybe they'll integrate it into iPhone and virtual community/dating... in my dreams...

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Windows Apps running side by side with Macintosh Apps?

Dear Lord... what have they done. This could be the final straw for native Applications on the Mac. Why should developers bother porting something over, if they can run the Windows Version.
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Windows Apps running side by side with Macintosh Apps?

Dear Lord... what have they done. This could be the final straw for native Applications on the Mac. Why should developers bother porting something over, if they can run the Windows Version.

My fear too. Goodbye games.
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I do not think these "screenies" are fakes. The windows in the about box would be a nice addition so that it gave you all of the os information for all of the operating systems that you may have on your machine. As far as IE. Wow, I hate that miserable program. But, it may be showing us that instead of rebooting into another os, which i find useless, it may allow you to have them running from within the mac os. This is what I feel that Apple must do. Having the ability to run multiple os environments on one computer is awesome for "That one program" you have to run not available on the mac platform, such as custom work software, developers, etc. But I feel that it must ultimately be under the umbrella of your main os that you use. Otherwise you become schizophrenic. As far as the transition into another user, screenshot, Apple has been using their "Cube" transition available in imovie and FCP for quite a while now. That particular transition is called "Warp", and is one of my favorites. I think they are ready for this change, as "Cube" was the coolest at the time it was implemented, now "Warp" is the coolest of its time.

I actually agree with this post.

What is one thing that Apple has had experience with that most OS's haven't? Running another OS natively under the main os... yes... I mean Classic under OS X. Apple did this extremely well... they run a full gui OS under os x... and the apps appeared to have been running as normal os x apps. At that stage OS X was kinda clunky and slow, but it's much improved now and on a lot better machines.

If OS X could run OS 9 under the hood 5 years ago, then i'm sure they can run Windows under the hood now. I say bring it on!

 

 

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Windows Apps running side by side with Macintosh Apps?

Dear Lord... what have they done. This could be the final straw for native Applications on the Mac. Why should developers bother porting something over, if they can run the Windows Version.

There will always be a performance hit. Not a big hit, but a noticeable one. If apple can pull this off correctly, people will want to make native os x apps before windows apps if the adoption of os x goes up a lot.

This could be a big thing for apple, a lot of people would only dream of running any app in the world on 1 computer. If apple can do it, i think a lot more people will be using os x... which in the end will open developers' eyes.

 

 

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First of all, who uses MSN? Everyone I know under the age of 40 uses AIM. And what does that have to do with tossing a job with a PC?

People in countries other than the US, people with friends in countries other than the US...
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