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post #81 of 181
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Originally posted by solsun
[BAnd I agree, Apple needs to be more explicit in directing users how to update properly... However, as I said, Apple likes to over simplify the process by using the one-step software update method. There is much more that needs to be done for updates to be successful everytime. [/B]

It seems to me that Apple could do some of this checking themselves, even with Software Update. It couls turn on Drive Utility, and check it. If there is a problem, you would then know.

Afterwards, it could automatically fix permissions, so that one doesn't have to remember to do so.
post #82 of 181
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Originally posted by franksargent


Quad G5, incremental update(s) thru Software Update, NO PROBLEM!

WTF, you people all sound like meth lab cooks!

So many update recipes, which one is the best!

I think I'll try the special 12 step AA recipe this time!

But if you really, Really, REALLY want to update OS HeX without a hitch, I'd suggest having the Pope come over to your house, and have him perform an EXORCISM prior to applying the update!

So much for the so called HeX's vaunted ease of use argument, wouldn't you say?

Are all you people trying to convert people to Windows XP? Which BTW, I've NEVER had a problem updating (although it needs updates on an almost HOURLY basis)!

Critical data you say? WTF, burn baby burn! You have heard of flash drives? But, you say, you have a 100,000,000TB mission critical project due 3 days before the day after tomorrow, but fore SOME irrational reason, you MUST immediately update HeX, because, of course, you've got nothing better to do with your time!

ROTFLMAO


Frank, you might think it is funny, but it's not. Most problems are traced to problems on the drive, or Firewire drives being left plugged in.

Apple recommends some of these procedures themselves, though they don't do it for us.
post #83 of 181
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Here we go. A little outdated, but includes the earliest models featuring Firewire Target Disk Mode.

Target Disk Mode has been around since before Firewire. Prior to Firewire it used to be SCSI Disk mode or HD Target Mode.
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post #84 of 181
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Originally posted by Keda
Thanks, but no thanks.

I have Onyx...and run it. Ther is no Disk Util for my iMac. I have no FW drives attached. I run a Mac-based business, and know how to take care of my machines.

But c'mon, these steps should not be neccassary for a system update. What about the kid who just got a Mac at school...or worse, his mom who just got one. This would seriously screw them up.

My iMac was dead, and I was able to ounce back in a few hours. Other wouldn't be able to. I certainly blame Apple when a third of my Macs here are knocked out by the same update.

Umm... yes, these is a Disk Utility for your Mac. It's in the Utilities folder and it's called "Disk Utility". I haven't seen any "modern" Mac running OS X without it.

Anyways though, I applied the combo update to both our iMac G5 iSight and my 12" Powerbook G4 Rev. D and both went flawlessly. My Powerbook restarted twice, but it did it all on its own and everything appears to be fine.
post #85 of 181
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Originally posted by melgross
Frank, you might think it is funny, but it's not. Most problems are traced to problems on the drive, or Firewire drives being left plugged in.

Apple recommends some of these procedures themselves, though they don't do it for us.



Actually, I find it to be very, Very, VERY FUNNY!

YOU, and only YOU, are ultimately responsible, for what YOU do with YOUR computer!

Don't blame your HD, don't blame FW, AND don't blame Apple!

But wait, I just found a sure fire one step HeX update procedure;

Purchase one Steve Jobs Voodoo Doll©® from the Apple Store©®, insert 10 pins into the heart, 4 pins into the crotch, and 7 pins into the rectum, and during the update process say the following repeatedly, "There's no place like iHome, there's no place like iHome, ..."

There, fixed that!

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Originally posted by franksargent


Actually, I find it to be very, Very, VERY FUNNY!

YOU, and only YOU, are ultimately responsible, for what YOU do with YOUR computer!

Don't blame your HD, don't blame FW, AND don't blame Apple!

But wait, I just found a sure fire one step HeX update procedure;

Purchase one Steve Jobs Voodoo Doll©® from the Apple Store©®, insert 10 pins into the heart, 4 pins into the crotch, and 7 pins into the rectum, and during the update process say the following repeatedly, "There's no place like iHome, there's no place like iHome, ..."

There, fixed that!


QFT.
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And the jackass of the week award goes to
post #88 of 181
Those powerbooks are hanging in that gray screen because the updated firmware, after updating itself it doesn't know where to look disks anymore, restart, and it should be fine. This problem has been with other firmware updates as well, I just don't know why they don't mention it in that update warning.
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Originally posted by franksargent


Actually, I find it to be very, Very, VERY FUNNY!

YOU, and only YOU, are ultimately responsible, for what YOU do with YOUR computer!

Don't blame your HD, don't blame FW, AND don't blame Apple!

But wait, I just found a sure fire one step HeX update procedure;

Purchase one Steve Jobs Voodoo Doll©® from the Apple Store©®, insert 10 pins into the heart, 4 pins into the crotch, and 7 pins into the rectum, and during the update process say the following repeatedly, "There's no place like iHome, there's no place like iHome, ..."

There, fixed that!


That's a nonsense answer. Of course we are responsable. And that means doing what we presented.

Your attitude is strange indeed. May as well tell people to never back-up.
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Originally posted by Chucker
And the jackass of the week award goes to



Could you please ship it iFedHeX?

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post #91 of 181
AGGGHHHHHH

I updated my Powerbook 12inch from 10.4.3 to 10.4.7 with combo installer and it started up with blinking globe icon at startup!!!!

How the hell do I get out of this?? And what the hell just happened!?!??!
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post #92 of 181
For starters it is looking for a network system when the blinking globe comes up.

I am not sure how to fix it.

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post #93 of 181
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Originally posted by ZO
AGGGHHHHHH

I updated my Powerbook 12inch from 10.4.3 to 10.4.7 with combo installer and it started up with blinking globe icon at startup!!!!

How the hell do I get out of this?? And what the hell just happened!?!??!

It is looking for a NetBoot server to load the OS from. Try starting up holding down the H key.
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post #94 of 181
Or the option key, then selecting the hard drive. Then, once booted, make sure to select the drive again in Startup Disk to make it a permanent choice.
post #95 of 181
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Originally posted by melgross
That's a nonsense answer. Of course we are responsable. And that means doing what we presented.

Your attitude is strange indeed. May as well tell people to never back-up.



My reply to the above, in order is, no, yes, no!

A nonsense answer? Read the thread, how many people are pointing the finger of blame at themselves? At Apple?

Nope, you blamed Apple, not I. "Apple is at fault for their update methods."

Is there any consistent pattern to instillation issues posted so far? I don't see one in the FEW posts in this thread so far, but maybe later, who knows. But I doubt that a significant pattern will emerge now or in future OS updates, IMHO updates under 10.4 are pretty seemless, not like the situation in the 10.2 era, these things (OS X instillation procedures) tend to reach mythological proportions over time, people become old school, and just repeat previous procedures, unquestioned.

And that's one of my points, Apple controls the HW/OS chain, while Microsoft does not, yet Apple needs the 12 step AA program to "properly" update the OS, while Microsoft updates are, in a word, seamless. No detach this, permissions that, etcetera! WTF, who wins the ease of use argument here?

"And that means doing what we presented." And what EXACTLY was that explicit stepped procedure, might I ask? Should I listen to HeX cook #1, HeX cook #2, HeX cook #3, ..., ad infinitum. Let's see now 12 steps makes this a 12 factorial problem, 479,001,600 HeX cooks in the kitchen! And what EXACTLY is the "OFFICIAL" word from Apple on installing updates (no Apple support discussion posts please), seeing as I just clicked through all that stuff via Software Update, seeing as I like seamless OS integration on par with Microsoft products? Is that to much to ask of Apple? I think not!


WRT backups, my comment "burn baby burn" was WRT DVD burning as the preferred low cost method of redundancy/storage, and I do this on an almost daily basis. Same goes for (8GB/4GB) flash drives WRT mission critical data, I'm constantly moving data between my home Mac and 2 work PC's.

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post #96 of 181
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Originally posted by jdbartlett
I'm still waiting for my S5200/S5600 to be supported.

Surely, you must be doing something wrong?? Haven't you heard? OS X supports the latest cameras from Japan!
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post #97 of 181
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Originally posted by solsun
Want a trouble free update? Do ALL of the following. Sure, its a few extra steps, but certainly worth the trouble.

Here the list:

1. backup your data
2. Repair permissions. (before and after update)
3. Use a utility like ONYX to clean your caches.
4. I always use Disk Warrior to rebuild my directory.
5. Download the Combo updater (do not use Software Update)
6. Unplug all Firewire and USB drives and devices from computer
7. Run installer

1. Yes, definitely
2. Not necessary
3. Not necessary
4. Not necessary, but I suppose it's probably a good idea to check your HD with Disk Utility first, although I've never personally done that.
5. Not necessary
6. Good idea.
7. Obviously.

I also think it's a good idea not to have any apps running whilst performing the update.

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Originally posted by solsun
ALWAYS USE THE COMBO UPDATER. Any experienced user will tell you not to do this, at some point, it will bite you in the ass.

I wouldn't. I've never, ever had a problem with a delta, I've been using OS X since Developer Preview 3.

Really, I don't understand why the software updater doesn't quit all running apps, then do a disk check, and then check for connected peripherals and tell users to disconnect them before running the actual update. None of those things would be hard to do, and would surely significantly reduce the number of problem updates.
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post #98 of 181
[QUOTE]Originally posted by franksargent
But, you say, you have a 100,000,000TB mission critical project due 3 days before the day after tomorrow, but for SOME irrational reason, you MUST immediately update HeX, because, of course, you've got nothing better to do with your time!



ROFLMAO

But, I sympathise with everyone having problems and I haven't done the update myself yet. I could be back here yelling at franksargent and asking the nice people for tips
post #99 of 181
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mr. H
Surely, you must be doing something wrong?? Haven't you heard? OS X supports the latest cameras from Japan!



Heh. Damnit! Fooled once again by hot Japanese chick(s).
post #100 of 181
It really all boils down to:

1) Do a backup.

Duh.

DUH!

If you don't, that really is your own fault. That doesn't mean I don't sympathize with people who lose data after updating; I do. But you really should have taken the 20 minutes it takes to do an incremental backup regardless.

2) Run the upgrade and reboot immediately.

If you want some further performance gains:

3) Boot into single-user mode and delete caches from there. Deleting caches from within the GUI, like Onyx does, is completely retarded because neither reliable nor effective. So, do it within single-user mode. (On PowerPC Macs, applejack will help you.)

That's it. If there's problems, roll back your backup. End of story.

Stuff your repair permissions placebo bullshit where it belongs.
post #101 of 181
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chucker
Stuff your repair permissions placebo bullshit where it belongs.



Heh, chucker finally throws it down! YEAH!

Clearly "placebo" here has nothing to do with our good friend username "placebo"

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chucker
...That's it. If there's problems, roll back your backup. End of story...


Is that roll back the backup with something like Carbon Copy or is that roll back as in reinstall then reload personal data?
post #103 of 181
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Clearly "placebo" here has nothing to do with our good friend username "placebo"

No, I definitely wasn't referring to Placebo.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by sunilraman
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Originally posted by Chucker
...That's it. If there's problems, roll back your backup. End of story...


Is that roll back the backup with something like Carbon Copy or is that roll back as in reinstall then reload personal data?

No, roll back with Carbon Copy Cloner or similar. (My tool of choice is SuperDuper!, by a wide margin, for many reasons.)

So, remember step 1), before you install the update. If you do that, then (assuming the update doesn't break hardware, which it most definitely won't) there's absolutely no harm whatsoever in proceeding to install the update. If it breaks your system, software-wise, just restore the update you created in step 1.
post #104 of 181
REPORT: ALL GOOD. No problems so far
iBook G4 933mhz 640mb ram 60gb 5400rpm drive

Downloaded http://www.apple.com/support/downloa...te1047ppc.html (64mb)

Unplugged iPod, ran Disk Utility, repaired permissions,
dropped the bullet in, spun the chamber, pulled the trigger.

Just a few minutes upon restart with the blue and gray screen thingys
But I could feel the hard disk working away.

First restart no problems.
Second restart and everything smooth.
10.4.7 respected Dashboard disabling on one user,
Deep Sleep (Hibernate), as well as ATIcellerator2 gpu overclock.

Well, at least a "all okay" report for this thread.
Good luck to y'all (Sincerely) with problems with this update.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chucker
... (My tool of choice is SuperDuper!, by a wide margin, for many reasons.)


Yes, SuperDuper is very nice. Luckily, I did not have to call it into action
post #106 of 181
I just installed the update on my black Macbook with zero problems. Everything's running fine, so far as I can tell.

In addition, the graphics card drivers were definitely tweaked. I'm getting up to +10 fps on WoW... for those who care. Considering that I'm running with integrated graphics, that's very significant.
post #107 of 181
Updated through software update without doing a blessed thing before or after the update on my iMac G5. The update from 10.4.6 -> 10.4.7 was about 40MB. The restart took maybe double the time it normally does, but all is well. After startup I checked dashboard (qickt load time...) and all of my 15 widgets were okay. My 3rd party apps that I use the most like Word, Mathematica, Virtual PC, Toast, Adobe CS2, etc. are all still operating. I ran the maitenance and cleaning scripts with Onyx and then rebooted - boot time was back to normal. No problems on this end.

I have used SU forever ... for any update I've ever had to my iMacs. I have NEVER encountered a problem with crazy drives, lost data, etc. It does make you wonder what's different about other machines that they have problems updating every time. Strange indeed. But yes, data back-up is a must for any OS you work on. I have never had to use my OS X backup (yet...) but my XP backup has come in handy a few times ... and Linux ... I leave that fun to people far more knowledgeable than myself!

Good luck everybody...

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post #108 of 181
I forgot to do a backup this time but thankfully it didn't bite me. I still have a backup that's a couple weeks old.

Why is repairing permissions unnecessary? I'm curious how permissions get messed up and why people say that there aren't any consequences for that.
post #109 of 181
iMac G5 updated flawlessly. I used the PPC Combo updater on both my Harddrive (Erased and clean 10.4) and my Firewire Drive (10.4.6). Nothing odd seems to happen, but they still havent fixed the disk space info problem for the desktop \ . Oh well I guess, but for those of you who dont know what the difference between the combo and delta updaters are:

The Delta updater only writes the changes to the files of the Apps that it contains, so if you messed with an App, the updater will either not write the file at all, or add one that doesnt work since only certain parts are changed.

The Combo updater contains all the complete files so it will overwrite whatever hacks that were made to an app and make it like a 'stock app'. Thats why its recommended you use the combo updater.

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post #110 of 181
I too have a problem after applying the 10.4.7 combo update, the Finder keeps on crashing and relaunching. Anyone else have the same problem and a suggestion would be really helpful. I repaired my disk permission etc but still the same problem.
post #111 of 181
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Originally posted by JeffDM
Why is repairing permissions unnecessary? I'm curious how permissions get messed up and why people say that there aren't any consequences for that.

Did anyone say that there are no consequences of borked permissions?

I said it's unnecessary to do a repair permissions before and after an update, as a matter of course. That is what is unnecessary. You only need to repair permissions if you've got a problem.

What is especially unnecessary is to repair permissions after the update if you repaired them immediately before the update. Do you know how repair permissions works? It looks in the receipts folder to determine the correct file permissions, then checks the files on the HD to see if their permissions match those that the package receipt says they should have. So, if you repair permissions before updating, there is no way that permissions could be "wrong" after updating, as the updater applies the permissions that are stored in the receipt.
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post #112 of 181
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Did anyone say that there are no consequences of borked permissions?

I said it's unnecessary to do a repair permissions before and after an update, as a matter of course. That is what is unnecessary. You only need to repair permissions if you've got a problem.


How are you certain that having bad permissions never causes problems for an updater?
post #113 of 181
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Originally posted by JeffDM
How are you certain that having bad permissions never causes problems for an updater?



I didn't say that.
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post #114 of 181
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I didn't say that.

you're implying it out the wazoo!
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Because borked permissions are about as likely as any other random problem? I don't get why people keep thinking that this particular issue keeps cropping up. It doesn't.

It might happen if some the software you use sucks really badly and fucks stuff up. That's it.
post #116 of 181
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you're implying it out the wazoo!

can you people not read?

I did not say, anywhere, that messed-up permissions won't cause problems.

I did say that "repairing permissions" evey time you upgrade, is unnecessary. If your permissions are in need of repair, then you'll likely be experiencing problems already and should try repairing permissions to see if that fixes the problem.

You have to enter your admin password before installing an update, so over-writting files would not be a problem in any case. And, as I said, any new file written is done so with the "correct" permissions, i.e., those that the package receipt will say the files should have.
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post #117 of 181
I just updated my 2.0ghz MacBook with no troubles at all. I used the combo update as recomended by some. I also repaired permissions. It may have helped I don't really know.
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post #118 of 181
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can you people not read?

I did not say, anywhere, that messed-up permissions won't cause problems.

I did say that "repairing permissions" evey time you upgrade, is unnecessary. If your permissions are in need of repair, then you'll likely be experiencing problems already and should try repairing permissions to see if that fixes the problem.

You have to enter your admin password before installing an update, so over-writting files would not be a problem in any case. And, as I said, any new file written is done so with the "correct" permissions, i.e., those that the package receipt will say the files should have.

You said,
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...it's unnecessary to do a repair permissions before and after an update...

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You only need to repair permissions if you've got a problem

So I guess where the logic breaks down is that you think that any problem that exists BECAUSE of permissions will be readily noticeable. I disagree. So some recommend repairing permissions before an update because there could be an UNSEEN problem with permissions, that could then cause problems for the updater.
post #119 of 181
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So I guess where the logic breaks down is that you think that any problem that exists BECAUSE of permissions will be readily noticeable. I disagree.

Where did he claim that?

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So some recommend repairing permissions before an update because there could be an UNSEEN problem with permissions, that could then cause problems for the updater.

Only if Apple made a mistake. Every file listed in an installation package's bill of materials has its permissions specified. So, if your permissions on, say, /System/Some/Random/Directory were wrong, and Installer (or Software Update) wanted to put something in there, /System's, /System/Some's, /System/Some/Random's and /System/Some/Random/Directory's permissions would be fixed automagically in the process, based on the information in the bill of materials.

Unless, of course, Apple's package is broken to begin with*, has inaccurate permissions listed, or has files or folders that aren't in the bill of materials and, thus, may not have specific permissions.

So generally, the claim that incorrect permissions could cause an update to fail is inaccurate, just as much as it is inaccurate that permissions could be incorrect after an update, unless Apple botches something*.

Usually, permissions get borked when you give Bruze Chizen tax dollars. Heck, there's this beautiful "screw up the file system" bug in a certain piece of software that doesn't deserve naming that not ChizenCo, but Apple worked around, in 10.4.7. (No, that one's not a permissions problem.)

*) In which case you should have followed the ever-obvious advice to create a backup.
post #120 of 181
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Originally posted by Mr. H


I didn't say that.

Sorry about that then. I got the impression in this thread that one shouldn't do a permission repair before installing the updater.

Repairing permissions doesn't hurt anything that I'm aware of, and for me, usually only takes a couple minutes to do, so I don't see the point in trying to discourage it. I haven't done it in a while though, maybe months. I just did one for old time's sake and only one file was out of wack, which is a good improvement over previous update installs.

I'm still pretty baffled how permissions get screwed up in the first place, from that view, permissions repair seems to be used as a band-aid fix or a crutch on the part of the developers.
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