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Software engineers at Apple Computer have been toiling away on a new set of features that will allow users of its next-generation Mac OS X operating system to place phone calls over their Internet connection, AppleInsider has learned.

People familiar with recent builds of the software say voice over IP (VoIP) Internet dialing is just one of several new features in iChat 4.0, which Apple is expected to bundle with the operating system overhaul, code-named Leopard.

The move will pit the Apple-branded video conferencing and instant message software against existing VoIP solutions from the likes of Skype, Google and Microsoft.

Skype, which began as a small software startup in 2003, is largely accredited with popularizing free Internet telephony through its self-titled software application. The Luxembourg-based company was recently acquired by eBay. It boasts a userbase of over 100 million and offers its software in 27 different languages.

Recently other industry heavyweights have looked to get in on the VoIP craze. Just this month, Microsoft added VoIP features to Windows Live Messenger, which will be available to users of its forthcoming Vista operating system. Meanwhile, Google wedged its foot in the door last year with public beta release of Google Talk, a similar software-based service.

If reports pan out, VoIP functionality won't be the only feature of Apple's Leopard to rival similar offerings from both Google and Microsoft. Earlier this month, sources reported that Apple also appears ripe to introduce a geographic mapping solution with Leopard, similar to Microsoft's Virtual Earth and Google's Maps.

The Apple software, which is simply dubbed "Maps," is also rumored to employ GPS functionally. In the future, the Cupertino, Calif.-based company may leverage the technology to help track stolen Macs or iPods, people familiar with the software have said.

A team of Apple executives is scheduled to formally unveil Leopard during the second week of August at the company's annual World Wide Developers Conference. Although Apple has so far referred to the operating system as "Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard," there's a strong possibility that name will change, sources have said.
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Software engineers at Apple Computer have been toiling away on a new set of features that will allow users of its next-generation Mac OS X operating system to place phone calls over their Internet connection, AppleInsider has learned.

People familiar with recent builds of the software say voice over IP (VoIP) Internet dialing is just one of several new features in iChat 4.0, which Apple is expected to bundle with the operating system overhaul, code-named Leopard.

The move will pit the Apple-branded video conferencing and instant message software against existing VoIP solutions from the likes of Skype, Google and Microsoft.

So it sounds like we're talking about an end-to-end service, rather than just a third party service client in iChat, right? As in Apple VOIP service? Maybe it will be part of .Mac.
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This is music to my ears. I was hoping Apple wouldn't miss the VOIP train.

iChat AV is a natural for VOIP( I know I know VoIP for the purists)

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If reports pan out, VoIP functionality won't be the only feature of Apple's Leopard to rival similar offerings from both Google and Microsoft. Earlier this month, sources reported that Apple also appears ripe to introduce a geographic mapping solution with Leopard, similar to Microsoft's Virtual Earth and Google's Maps.

The Apple software, which is simply dubbed "Maps," is also rumored to employ GPS functionally. In the future, the Cupertino, Calif.-based company may leverage the technology to help track stolen Macs or iPods, people familiar with the software have said.

Hm, remember in January that Garmin, out of the blue, announced support for OS X?

This reminded me about that when I read the above section.
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Don't change the name, I like it!

So, in order to track the mac, I'm guessing they may include an optional built in GPS sometime? Anything less than optional and people will cry privacy rights.

Can't wait for Leopard...er, OSX Vista Killer. wait a minute, what am I saying? That operating system was released 5 years ago!
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The whole "Maps" business sounds kind of strange - why waste resources on this when there are plenty of other companies already doing similar apps.
But when you think about some of these features in light of a possible Apple UMPC, they make perfect sense: GPS-Navigation, VOIP, etc. . Bring on the iPhone/iTablet/UMPC/MobileMe.

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Just as long as this VoIP solution is interoperable with other solutions as opposed to being ghettoized in it's .mac world it would be great.

Face it iChat is great until you have to talk to someone. There's no one else around.

Or Apple could release iChat for Windows. Then let the games begin.
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Hm, remember in January that Garmin, out of the blue, announced support for OS X?

This reminded me about that when I read the above section.

Even more interesting is MacNN's reporting today that Garmin is delaying OS X support until the end of 2006.

Hmm, curious.
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So it sounds like we're talking about an end-to-end service, rather than just a third party service client in iChat, right? As in Apple VOIP service? Maybe it will be part of .Mac.

We've been using VoIP on OSX since iChat AV beta! This extension would need to provide breakout to the PSTN or open up to other VoIP clients probably using the 'standards-based' approach Apple keep talking about.

Knowing Apple the PSTN access will be resticted to the US only and 'standards-based' isn't 'standards compliant' (always annoying to know you're 95% of the way there!) so it'll be Apples talking to Apples again just like with IM.

I'm not sure any other free 'VoIP' clients are interoperable at this stage.

Here's hoping. McD
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Apple have had the tools to track stolen Macs for years yet refuse to do so.

Apple has a database where their tech support people look up incidents and add new ones. They also have a global database known as GSX that is used by the Authorized Service Providers to check warranty status, review support history, look up parts, submit parts orders and respond to requests for onsite warranty repairs.

If the ownership status of a Mac was included in these databases it would enable both telephone support people and service providers to flag machines as stolen and see immediately if a support or repair request was being made for stolen property.

I worked for an Apple Authorized Service Provider for several years. Customers called us to report thefts. We put the serial numbers on a list for employees to watch for. We often called other dealers nearby to let them know about "hot" machines. Apple, however, had absolutely no interest in helping us and customers who called them directly got told that Apple doesn't track stolen serial numbers.

Like all corporations, Apple doesn't care about anything that doesn't generate revenue.
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Just as long as this VoIP solution is interoperable with other solutions as opposed to being ghettoized in it's .mac world it would be great.

Face it iChat is great until you have to talk to someone. There's no one else around.

Or Apple could release iChat for Windows. Then let the games begin.

iChat works fine with AIM, which is pretty much what everyone uses. Occassionally I meet someone who uses Yahoo though.

The only thing that's mac to mac in my experience so far is multi video, and multi audio chat. So, how is this VoIP going to be different than the current audio chat?
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Even more interesting is MacNN's reporting today that Garmin is delaying OS X support until the end of 2006.

Hmm, curious.

Bingo! Good one.
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iChat works fine with AIM, which is pretty much what everyone uses. Occassionally I meet someone who uses Yahoo though.

The only thing that's mac to mac in my experience so far is multi video, and multi audio chat. So, how is this VoIP going to be different than the current audio chat?

This is pretty much everything I was thinking.

Everyone I know uses AIM so iChat is no problem. I've already been talking to friends over my computer whether its Mac or PC.

The only new part that can be added by VOIP to iChat is the abiltiy to make calls to regular phone numbers.

Cell phone text messaging in iChat would be a nice addition however.
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Earlier this month, sources reported that Apple also appears ripe to introduce a geographic mapping solution with Leopard, similar to Microsoft's Virtual Earth and Google's Maps.

Unless there is some strategic reason I don't know of, I can't see Apple doing this. Why reinvent the wheel?

I think its a good idea to build global mapping and GPS software. The software should be the front end of Google Earth. Google has already put a great deal of effort into it, it makes no sense why Apple would not use their service.

I would love integrated GPS however becuase I know of several PC people who like to use GPS software as a reason they will not buy a Mac.
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Although Apple has so far referred to the operating system as "Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard," there's a strong possibility that name will change, sources have said.

Bring it on! "Mac OSX 10.5 Leopard" confuses people. I don't have any idea what they could do, but they should think about it.
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Just a crazy thought, but could they be jumping the gun to OS 11? You know, to make it look like OSX is making a giant leap the same as Vista is?
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Just a crazy thought, but could they be jumping the gun to OS 11? You know, to make it look like OSX is making a giant leap the same as Vista is?


Nah. "OS XI" just doesn't have the same visual appeal. Apple will likely rebrand OS X before hitting version 11
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iChat works fine with AIM, which is pretty much what everyone uses. Occassionally I meet someone who uses Yahoo though.

Uhm sorry, but in Europe NOBODY uses AIM!!!
Everyone I know that uses IM is using MSN, followed by google talk/gmail chat or skype chat. ICQ had some following some years ago but now it is those three. No Yahoo either.

So i would love to use iChat for videochat but know exactly 0 people I'd like to iChat to that actually own a Mac.

Edit: so for now I'm stuck to adium for IM and skype for VoIP.
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Just as long as this VoIP solution is interoperable with other solutions as opposed to being ghettoized in it's .mac world it would be great.

Face it iChat is great until you have to talk to someone. There's no one else around.

Or Apple could release iChat for Windows. Then let the games begin.

"Or Apple could release iChat for Windows. Then let the games begin." GREAT!!
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"Or Apple could release iChat for Windows. Then let the games begin." GREAT!!

Could not agree more!
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I currently use a Vonage setup as my only home phone. I dont want to give up the ability to use a cordless "regular" phone even if I'm talking over the internet.

Do you think Apple will release anything that allows me to plug in my old phone and use VoIP with my Powerbook? Perhaps a cheap firewire adapter?
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Right here's a small quiz:

If I'm ever calling a house number anywhere in the world what application do I use?
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Bring it on ... can't wait to see the Leopard preview. This is getting exciting.
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Uhm sorry, but in Europe NOBODY uses AIM!!!
Everyone I know that uses IM is using MSN, followed by google talk/gmail chat or skype chat. ICQ had some following some years ago but now it is those three. No Yahoo either.

So i would love to use iChat for videochat but know exactly 0 people I'd like to iChat to that actually own a Mac.

Edit: so for now I'm stuck to adium for IM and skype for VoIP.

oh, well I stand corrected. So is AIM not available in Europe? I know it's AMERICA online, but I always figured it was open to other countries. My brother in Brazil uses it. I guess it would be weird if I used a program called Europe Online =/
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I was never a fan of "Leopard" as a marketing name for 10.5. I wonder if the big cats have reach the end of the line. Tiger had it's stripes and is an animal that implies speed and power. Leopards not as big a cultural icon, Maybe Apple could name 10.5 "Not Vista" or just drop it for Mac OS X.
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oh, well I stand corrected. So is AIM not available in Europe?

I guess it is available, but there is just nobody using it. Should they? (honest question - never tried it myself). I would estimate 95% of people doing IM here uses MSN, with the other 4,5% using google chat/skype chat because they hate the UI of MSN and the other 0,5% being geeks on jabber and such.
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oh, well I stand corrected. So is AIM not available in Europe? I know it's AMERICA online, but I always figured it was open to other countries. My brother in Brazil uses it. I guess it would be weird if I used a program called Europe Online =/

It was offered by an ISP. But it didn't had that much of a succes (actually almost none). Besides... VoiP is the future in truly multiplatform. I thought one of the "next-gen" consolses will have VoiP support. And not to mention Vista with the Live stuff... no more crappy MSN substitute (Adium is nice... but sometimes it's kinda fcked, and don't get me started on aMSN).

And iChat for windows would totally suck. Everybody here in europe would never change... why change to iChat if EVERYBODY uses MSN Messenger?

The only place it would rock would be the US. It would totally demolish AIM with Multi-Video chat (or Multi-Voice chat for that matter, what could be feasible with VoiP).
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I was never a fan of "Leopard" as a marketing name for 10.5. I wonder if the big cats have reach the end of the line. Tiger had it's stripes and is an animal that implies speed and power. Leopards not as big a cultural icon, Maybe Apple could name 10.5 "Not Vista" or just drop it for Mac OS X.

Leopard is both subtle, and has a kind of sensitive touch to it. Which I think is the message Apple kind of wants to send out right now. That's not the problem, it's how do you market to a mass audience of potential switchers a name like: "Mac OSX 10.5 Leopard"

Let's face it, it's quite obviously the best computer operating system in the world, but it doesn't have a simple name. Which is what apple is all about, simplicity.
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post #30 of 90
Not to mention with the Leopard name, the obvious Boot Camp headline

"A Leopard Can Change it's Spots."

That and Microsofts secret Vista OS Cat codename of "CopyCat"
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If Apple really wants to be competitive in the Voip arena, they would need a simple softphone client that anyone could download and use on any major OS.

They don't have to re-invent the wheel - just market it better.

Better yet this could be introduced in tandem with a rebranded HTC wifi/gsm phone that can be purchased directly from Apple and used by any GSM carrier in the world.
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I guess it is available, but there is just nobody using it. Should they? (honest question - never tried it myself). I would estimate 95% of people doing IM here uses MSN, with the other 4,5% using google chat/skype chat because they hate the UI of MSN and the other 0,5% being geeks on jabber and such.

Probably not. It's not fantastic, it's just what everyone uses. I haven't been able to find another service that as easy to use as AIM. Jabber is to complicated to set up, and no one uses it anyway. MSN is simply not an option on mac. What iChat needs to do in order for it to succeed on Windows (if it's released for windows, which I doubt) is make it compatible with MSN. When iChat came out, it was easy to switch, since I already had an AIM account. It would be the same for the MSN users. Microsoft probably wouldn't be keen on that idea however.
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If Apple really wants to be competitive in the Voip arena, they would need a simple softphone client that anyone could download and use on any major OS.

They don't have to re-invent the wheel - just market it better.

Better yet this could be introduced in tandem with a rebranded HTC wifi/gsm phone that can be purchased directly from Apple and used by any GSM carrier in the world.

Or even a hack for existing mobile phones to run voice over bluetooth (lower latency - always better for International calls) - McD
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iChat works fine with AIM, which is pretty much what everyone uses. Occassionally I meet someone who uses Yahoo though.

The only thing that's mac to mac in my experience so far is multi video, and multi audio chat. So, how is this VoIP going to be different than the current audio chat?

My daughter says that only AOL and Yahoo work.
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Just a crazy thought, but could they be jumping the gun to OS 11? You know, to make it look like OSX is making a giant leap the same as Vista is?

Then it would be OS XI.

That would have to be a total ground-up re-write. Jobs said that X would be for 15 years, and while it might be replaced somewhat before that,. it's much too early.
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Right here's a small quiz:

If I'm ever calling a house number anywhere in the world what application do I use?

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Probably not. It's not fantastic, it's just what everyone uses. I haven't been able to find another service that as easy to use as AIM. Jabber is to complicated to set up, and no one uses it anyway. MSN is simply not an option on mac. What iChat needs to do in order for it to succeed on Windows (if it's released for windows, which I doubt) is make it compatible with MSN. When iChat came out, it was easy to switch, since I already had an AIM account. It would be the same for the MSN users. Microsoft probably wouldn't be keen on that idea however.

If Adium can do it, why not iChat?

I was hoping they'd even extend the interoperability to what passes for MSN & Yahoo video & voice chats (+ H.3xx for VC units) - you're chasing a moving target with the former but Macs & PCs are being pitched at eachother like never before.

Apple should get their act together and start practicing what they preach with their 'standards based' technology

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Here's to hoping that the jump from iChat 3.0->4.0 isn't as God-awful buggy and nonfunctional as the one from 2.x->3.0. That one pretty much caused me to give up on iChat for several point releases of the OS. Another release like that and the iChat team might as well pack it up.
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This is pretty much everything I was thinking.

Everyone I know uses AIM so iChat is no problem. I've already been talking to friends over my computer whether its Mac or PC.

The only new part that can be added by VOIP to iChat is the abiltiy to make calls to regular phone numbers.

Cell phone text messaging in iChat would be a nice addition however.

I live outside of the "proprietary" US of A, so everyone I know (and I mean EVERYONE) uses MSN. Lots of people have ICQ (in addition to MSN) and some have Yahoo Messenger.

Not one single person I know outside of the US uses AIM. So I have no one to talk to except my mom and dad on iChat, and I really don't need to chat with them very much... LOL.
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MSN is simply not an option on mac.

Why? Adium works fantastic if you don't need webcam or custom emoticons, and the latest version of aMSN is pretty good, and supports 2-way webcam, with iSight support as well. It's the option I use.
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