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post #1 of 131
6/30/06 at 5:20am
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Ok here's the deal. I don't have photoshop, or anything of the sort. So someone needs need to do the dirty work. I have the design in my head, it's pretty simple. Just one change to the current Mighty Mouse design. And when we're finished we leave a declaration at the bottom saying: "we pass on all rights of this idea and design to apple", and we then eMail apple the results. So then hopefully, Apple can just get on with making the damn thing. If Apple doesn't then at least we can say we tried. Any takers?


Here's the current one:


All you need to do in your mock-up is replace the scroll-ball on the top of the mighty mouse with an oval gray trackpad (same color as the white iPod's click wheel) about three times the diameter of the scroll ball in lenght, and twice the width. I hope it's already obvious how to scroll on this new mouse. That's right, you simply rub the oval trackpad with your finger in your own desired direction, and scrolling just happens. It's that SIMPLE!
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post #2 of 131
6/30/06 at 5:22am
They should do that! I think there is a kensington mouse that has something similar.

They should also fix the lift to right click.

And make a BT one.
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post #3 of 131
6/30/06 at 5:27am
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Originally posted by Ireland
All you need to do in your mock-up is replace the scroll-ball on the top of the mighty mouse with an oval gray trackpad (same color as the white iPod's click wheel) about three times the diameter of the scroll ball in lenght, and twice the width. I hope it's already obvious how to scroll on this new mouse. That's right, you simply rub the oval trackpad with your finger in your own desired direction, and scrolling just happens. It's that SIMPLE!

You realize, of course, that such a wheel would be one-dimensional, whereas the scroll ball is two-dimensional.
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post #4 of 131
6/30/06 at 5:29am
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Originally posted by Chucker
You realize, of course, that such a wheel would be one-dimensional, whereas the scroll ball is two-dimensional.

Please elaborate. (don't you mean 2D and 3D, no?)
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post #5 of 131
6/30/06 at 5:45am
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Originally posted by Ireland
Please elaborate. (don't you mean 2D and 3D, no?)

We're talking about replacing the scroll ball with a circular wheel like on the iPods, right? (Since you said "oval".)

Or are we talking about a rectangular one?

In the former case, you'd only be able to scroll vertically; in the latter, you'd be able to scroll vertically, horizontally and diagonally, just like right now.

Please clarify.
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post #6 of 131
6/30/06 at 6:09am
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post #7 of 131
6/30/06 at 8:56am
what part of //replace the scroll-ball on the top of the mighty mouse with an oval gray TRACKPAD // didnt you understand?

oh yeah and get apple to call it iphone... so Ireland buys one RIGHT!!!!111!!! away!!!!!111!1!!!1!!!!

oh yeah and call it the ireland mighty mouse or something..


:P



hey ireland... this is free

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macos.../gimpshop.html

why not try it and do these mock ups yourself
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post #8 of 131
6/30/06 at 10:47am
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Originally posted by Chucker
We're talking about replacing the scroll ball with a circular wheel like on the iPods, right? (Since you said "oval".)

Or are we talking about a rectangular one?

In the former case, you'd only be able to scroll vertically; in the latter, you'd be able to scroll vertically, horizontally and diagonally, just like right now.

Please clarify.

He means just what he said: an oval trackpad, not a thin oval trackpad with a white button in the middle.

Oh, and they totally need to fix the left and right click. Leave it to Apple to pioneer a ridiculously complex and faulty solution to a nonexistent problem.
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post #9 of 131
6/30/06 at 10:57am
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Originally posted by Placebo
He means just what he said: an oval trackpad, not a thin oval trackpad with a white button in the middle.

Oval as in "rectangular with border radius", then?

(I'm just trying to understand what he's suggesting.)

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Oh, and they totally need to fix the left and right click. Leave it to Apple to pioneer a ridiculously complex and faulty solution to a nonexistent problem.

Agreed.
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post #10 of 131
6/30/06 at 11:09am
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Originally posted by Chucker
Oval as in "rectangular with border radius", then?

(I'm just trying to understand what he's suggesting.)

Imagine a circular trackpad about an inch in diameter. It's a trackpad that is circular in shape. (perhaps it's actually a rectangular trackpad masked by plastic to make it circular, but that's besides the point) It is located where the scroll ball is currently, and is operated with the middle (or index) finger to scroll around a document, either through spacial correlation (move your finger half an inch and it scrolls 200 pixels), or exponential movement (the closer you move your finger to the edge of the trackpad, the faster it continuously scrolls in that direction).

Perhaps there could also be a configurable option to have moving your finger around the perimeter of the trackpad act like an iPod scrollwheel, and scroll downwards.
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post #11 of 131
6/30/06 at 11:13am
I just want:

1. Bluetooth mighty mouse
2. Fix all the quality probs with the scroll nipple. Don't replace it with something else, just make it stop randomly dying.

Other than that, I think the mighty mouse is perfect.
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post #12 of 131
6/30/06 at 11:28am
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Originally posted by Placebo
Imagine a circular trackpad about an inch in diameter. It's a trackpad that is circular in shape. (perhaps it's actually a rectangular trackpad masked by plastic to make it circular, but that's besides the point) It is located where the scroll ball is currently, and is operated with the middle (or index) finger to scroll around a document, either through spacial correlation (move your finger half an inch and it scrolls 200 pixels), or exponential movement (the closer you move your finger to the edge of the trackpad, the faster it continuously scrolls in that direction).

Perhaps there could also be a configurable option to have moving your finger around the perimeter of the trackpad act like an iPod scrollwheel, and scroll downwards.

Thanks. That makes a lot more sense to me now.
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post #13 of 131
6/30/06 at 11:47am
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Chucker, here this is oval. Imagine that oval slightly smaller and on the mouse
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post #14 of 131
6/30/06 at 11:57am
Notice that Apple's laptop trackpads were recently changed from 4:3 to 16:10, to match the aspect ratio of the screen.

So, at the least, your oval should be turned 90 degrees so it somewhat reflects the screen.
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post #15 of 131
6/30/06 at 12:01pm
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Originally posted by Chucker
Notice that Apple's laptop trackpads were recently changed from 4:3 to 16:10, to match the aspect ratio of the screen.

So, at the least, your oval should be turned 90 degrees so it somewhat reflects the screen.

Scrolling doesn't not work like that. People scroll up and down, way more than they scroll right and left. Anyway the trackpad on the MacBook was designed that way because it mostly moves the cursor
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post #16 of 131
6/30/06 at 12:05pm
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Look here's an upright version:

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post #17 of 131
6/30/06 at 12:24pm
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Originally posted by Ireland
Look here's an upright version:

But that's just the point, Ireland. It should reflect the aspect ratio of the screen.
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post #18 of 131
6/30/06 at 12:42pm
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Originally posted by Chucker
But that's just the point, Ireland. It should reflect the aspect ratio of the screen.

no, it shouldnt!

the trackpad on the proposed mouse is for scrolling scroll bars and the like, the MOUSE itself is for moving the pointer.


the same as the track pad on a laptop is for moving the pointer on the laptop screen.

horizontal oval is an un-ergonomic way of looking at the problem.




hey Ireland, did you try out gimp?
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post #19 of 131
6/30/06 at 12:46pm
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Originally posted by Trendannoyer
no, it shouldnt!

the trackpad on the proposed mouse is for scrolling scroll bars and the like, the MOUSE itself is for moving the pointer.


the same as the track pad on a laptop is for moving the pointer on the laptop screen.

horizontal oval is an un-ergonomic way of looking at the problem.




hey Ireland, did you try out gimp?

Thank you! FINALLY someone makes sense.


(I tried to download it, but the Gimp servers are down)
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post #20 of 131
6/30/06 at 1:00pm
Why not have the Apple logo as the trackpad. That way people can caress it. It's a pity it has a bite out of it.

I don't think that the trackpad is the only issue with the MM. I actually get more frustrated by the inconsistent clicks. Independent rocking directions are needed.

Anyway, why did we need another thread about this? I don't imagine Apple employees are going to be listening.
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post #21 of 131
6/30/06 at 1:05pm
sorry you cant get that downloaded mate

heres this... 2 second jobby

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post #22 of 131
6/30/06 at 1:23pm
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Originally posted by Marvin
I don't imagine Apple employees are going to be listening.

That's where you're wrong because they have this URL, ala feedback.



(besides, you mean to think Steve Jobs or any of the other guys there, don't take a look at these forums)
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post #23 of 131
6/30/06 at 1:33pm
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That's the idea!
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post #24 of 131
6/30/06 at 4:24pm


I kind of like the idea of a mouse with a scroll-pad...hmmmm...
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post #25 of 131
6/30/06 at 7:40pm
I dont understand what is wrong with a physical scroller? I like the ball thing on the mighty mouse, it's just way too small.
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post #26 of 131
6/30/06 at 8:47pm
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Originally posted by sthiede
I dont understand what is wrong with a physical scroller? I like the ball thing on the mighty mouse, it's just way too small.

I found this image on google under "apple mighty mouse" page 26:







The scroll ball design is flawed, it get's dirty and in turn gets stuck. A small oval shaped trackpad in place of the scrollball couldn't get stuck from dirt. It would be absolutely impossible to get it stuck with a dirty or greasy hand, in the realm of noramal use. So there would be no need for topics like this ever again, which would be great. Ya read me.
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post #27 of 131
7/1/06 at 12:35am
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Originally posted by Ireland
I found this image on google under "apple mighty mouse" page 26:







The scroll ball design is flawed, it get's dirty and in turn gets stuck. A small oval shaped trackpad in place of the scrollball couldn't get stuck from dirt. It would be absolutely impossible to get it stuck with a dirty or greasy hand, in the realm of noramal use. So there would be no need for topics like this ever again, which would be great. Ya read me.

I love that finger positioning
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post #28 of 131
7/1/06 at 3:10am
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Originally posted by Ireland
(besides, you mean to think Steve Jobs or any of the other guys there, don't take a look at these forums)

Well that's true. I've always wondered if people like Steve Jobs go into standard forums and register with common names. He might even have posted in this thread already.

I wonder if he gets the last say on design though. I imagine he relies on that designer guy who got the awards. Maybe it would be better contacting/kidnapping him.
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post #29 of 131
7/1/06 at 3:18am
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Originally posted by Ireland
It would be absolutely impossible to get it stuck with a dirty or greasy hand, in the realm of noramal use. So there would be no need for topics like this ever again, which would be great. Ya read me.

i wonder do car mechanics use macs.... i bet THEY could get the track pad dirty
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post #30 of 131
7/1/06 at 3:26am
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Originally posted by Marvin
I wonder if he gets the last say on design though. I imagine he relies on that designer guy who got the awards. Maybe it would be better contacting/kidnapping him.

Johnathan Ives?
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post #31 of 131
7/1/06 at 7:38am
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Originally posted by Marvin
Well that's true. I've always wondered if people like Steve Jobs go into standard forums and register with common names. He might even have posted in this thread already.

I wonder if he gets the last say on design though. I imagine he relies on that designer guy who got the awards. Maybe it would be better contacting/kidnapping him.

I never said registered, I said looked.
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post #32 of 131
7/1/06 at 7:40am
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Originally posted by Trendannoyer
i wonder do car mechanics use macs.... i bet THEY could get the track pad dirty

That's not actually humorous at all, no mechanics com home form work without washing their hands. You know what I mean, the Mighty Mouse scrollball gets stuck even with clean hands.
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post #33 of 131
7/1/06 at 7:48am
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Originally posted by Chucker
But that's just the point, Ireland. It should reflect the aspect ratio of the screen.

If your screen is widescreen, it reduces much need to "scroll" horizontally, but increases the likelihood that you will scroll vertically.
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post #34 of 131
7/1/06 at 8:04am
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I sent that feedback with that declaration. They got the message!


If anyone wants to improve on the current oval mock-up, to make it look more realistic it would be cool. They have the message though.
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post #35 of 131
7/2/06 at 5:01am
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That's not actually humorous at all, no mechanics com home form work without washing their hands. You know what I mean, the Mighty Mouse scrollball gets stuck even with clean hands.

you ever see a mec working ?? then go to the BLACKENED PC, wipe hands on overalls, and check for parts availability??

sorry if it wasnt clear but in NO WAY did i mean what you think i ment!


BTW what do you mean by "fuck scientology" ???

i find it offensive, that you mention religion at all
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post #36 of 131
7/2/06 at 5:38am
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you ever see a mec working ?? then go to the BLACKENED PC, wipe hands on overalls, and check for parts availability??

sorry if it wasnt clear but in NO WAY did i mean what you think i ment!


BTW what do you mean by "fuck scientology" ???

i find it offensive, that you mention religion at all

I used to be a mechanical engineer, so I know. By the way I see why some people might laugh at your joke about scientology, but it's not a religion. It's a cult that's responsible for numerous deaths. It has stripped many people of all their money and their sanity with its crazy ideas. See slideshow on the right.
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7/2/06 at 5:42am
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post #38 of 131
7/2/06 at 10:44am
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I used to be a mechanical engineer, so I know. By the way I see why some people might laugh at your joke about scientology, but it's not a religion. It's a cult that's responsible for numerous deaths. It has stripped many people of all their money and their sanity with its crazy ideas. See slideshow on the right.

where as NO-ONE has ever died due to the likes of christianity???? itself at one point a cult.
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post #39 of 131
7/2/06 at 11:14am
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7/2/06 at 12:51pm
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where as NO-ONE has ever died due to the likes of christianity???? itself at one point a cult.

Whatever.
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