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Drat...
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How come I can't post an attachment?
post #83 of 131
Haha, you suck at the internet.

Try here.
post #84 of 131
Because it's not permitted. You'll have to find a space to upload.
post #85 of 131
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Originally posted by dansgil
I have a Logitech V500 Mouse, and it has a touch scroll pad (up/down, left/right) and to be honest it is not so great. I accidentally touch it too many times and end up jumping to the bottom of the page. I much prefer the little ball on the Mighty Mouse.

But surely that's more an issue of how well the design is implemented rather than a concept flaw. I mean, laptop trackpads make the mouse jump around if you tap them randomly too but people use them every day. Maybe someone just needs to design it so that doesn't happen.
post #86 of 131
Hey, thanks for the hint. Yes, yes I do suck at the internet.

Maybe this will work. All my own work too.

http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?i...e272dpi0vx.jpg
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Originally posted by slughead
It's a pipe-dream anyway, Apple would never include a mouse as expensive as the one you suggested. This is probably why they (according to above posts) came up with and then abandoned other, similar, designs.

Expensive? Less moving parts, no more expensive than the current design at all.
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post #89 of 131
Great! It works. Thanks a mil, Placebo and Chucker.
post #90 of 131
No prob. I was just being cheeky, pretty much everybody makes that mistake the first time they want to show off a picture.

Cheers.
post #91 of 131
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Originally posted by Ireland
Expensive? Less moving parts, no more expensive than the current design at all.

Trackpads cost a couple dollars wholesale with economy of scale, Apple would probably be paying $4-5 per unit for a while.

The scrolling device in the mighty mouse probably costs less than a nickel/unit.

CPUs have fewer moving parts than the fans that cool them, that hardly makes them less expensive.

I kind of like your idea, it goes well with the whole non-moving parts theme of the mighty mouse. However, I prefer tactile feedback with my input devices. Studies have shown tactile feedback allows for faster reaction time than audible and especially visual feedback. Muscle memory (stored in the cerebelum) is also better executed and stored more accurately.
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post #92 of 131
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Quote:
Originally posted by slughead
Trackpads cost a couple dollars wholesale with economy of scale, Apple would probably be paying $4-5 per unit for a while.

The scrolling device in the mighty mouse probably costs less than a nickel/unit.

CPUs have fewer moving parts than the fans that cool them, that hardly makes them less expensive.

I don't agree with that logic. Anyway I don't care it the mouse costs $4 more, I want it now.
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post #93 of 131
How about this: increase the accuracy and precision of the touch sensors under the shell and totally get rid of the scrollball. Invisible touch pad scrolling :P
post #94 of 131
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Originally posted by Ireland
I don't agree with that logic. Anyway I don't care it the mouse costs $4 more, I want it now.

Why in the world would you want an Apple mouse, anyway? the mighty mouse, as it stands now, is $50 from Apple.com. 50 bucks for a wired mouse with 1 button and 4 'sensors'? Crazy I say.

Maybe your best bet is to ask a 3rd party like kensington to make one. At least you'd probably get it at a reasonable price.

I got my logitech MX1000 for $50.. now THAT'S a $50 mouse. Wireless, 50% faster transfer rate than bluetooth (identical to USB), laser precision, 8 buttons, and a 4 way scroll.

Oh, and did I mention the battery is replacable (screwdriver required though).

Again, I like the idea of a mouse with no moving parts, but I just can't see it being an advantage from a usability standpoint. I tried the mighty mouse in an Apple store, it drove me nuts, maybe you have to get used to it, but I prefer feeling my mouse make contact instead of trusting sensors to interpret my actions.
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post #95 of 131
Quote:
Originally posted by slughead
Trackpads cost a couple dollars wholesale with economy of scale, Apple would probably be paying $4-5 per unit for a while.

The scrolling device in the mighty mouse probably costs less than a nickel/unit.

I'd say it's worth it for fewer warranty exchanges. For every exchange they do, that might blow the profit of several sales.

I actually do side scrolling, and I like the fact that the scroll ball is minimal force. All the competing devices that allow the wheel to tilt not only don't have a good means for proportional speed and positioning input on the side scroll, they require a lot of force use too. I just don't think it is big enough, or properly resistant to getting "jammed".
post #96 of 131
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Originally posted by Ireland
Ok here's the deal. I don't have photoshop, or anything of the sort. So someone needs need to do the dirty work. I have the design in my head, it's pretty simple.

you seem to want SIMPLE... but dont seem to have been spicific in your VERY original unedited first post..

but then...

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Originally posted by Ireland
I suggested a specific design because I though it might be an improvment upon the current design, BUT, what is that thing? I never suggested such a thing. Apple's wouldn't make anything like that, sorry for hurting someone's feelings, but the truth hurts sometimes.

what we get isnt always what we want


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Originally posted by Ireland
I don't agree with that logic. Anyway I don't care it the mouse costs $4 more, I want it now.

what we want isnt always what we get


all the same, theres plenty of VARITY..... of which your idea is only one variation on the idea hows gimp comming along? i HOPE no-one puts down any future ideas you come up with....honest.... im keen to see em... even if i do rib ya


all in all the track pad idea DESPITE extra cost per unit, would have far more appeal to ME over the nipple mouse...... AT THE SAME COST. but thats the thing, would the TPM (TrackPad Mouse) sell as well at an increased price?

i do like the idea of increasing the sensitivity of the senrors so that there isnt an actual track pad... can see how it would work, but would be cool... reckon THAT where youd need to put the logo... so as to give the brain a point of referance as to where the (invisable) track pad would be.

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post #97 of 131
i agree with user23
post #98 of 131
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Originally posted by Banalltv

I don't think I met the minimum required miticlorian level to use this mouse.

Dang.
post #99 of 131
The trick is not to force it. badum-tish.
post #100 of 131
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Originally posted by Banalltv
The trick is not to force it. badum-tish.

As a drummer, I have to correct you: BA-doomp-tsssh
post #101 of 131
The problem with a large trackpad is that your fingers have a very small space between them so you can't place the buttons at either side. However, it would if they made a clickable pad. That wouldn't break the shell into separate buttons. If you wanted tangible feedback, they could be like the lids you get on jars that click when they've been opened.

Naturally, they could be just like a laptop trackpad except a single touch acts as a click. You could then define trackpad regions (whether you want 1, 2 or 3) and use two fingers for scrolling just like a laptop.

That has to cut down the cost because you are using one sensor for everything. If the pad was big enough, you could even allow more than 3 regions to be specified and do away with the side buttons.
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As a drummer, I have to correct you: BA-doomp-tsssh



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...oh, yeah, you're right.
post #103 of 131
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Come they told me, pa rum pum pum pum.. ..me and my drum 8)
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post #104 of 131
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Originally posted by Yose
I don't think I met the minimum required miticlorian level to use this mouse.

Dang.



Good design though.
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post #105 of 131
NOW!!!!!....... what happens when you squeeze its tail?
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Originally posted by Ireland
That's not actually humorous at all, no mechanics com home form work without washing their hands. You know what I mean, the Mighty Mouse scrollball gets stuck even with clean hands.

alot of mechanics use surgical type gloves now anyways \
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alot of mechanics use surgical type gloves now anyways \

True
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post #108 of 131
IMO, this is all they need to make the Mighty Mouse perfect:



Made the image some time last year.

- Xidius
post #109 of 131
Why would you need FireWire?
post #110 of 131
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Originally posted by Chucker
Why would you need FireWire?

Firewire is ├╝bergeil, thats why.
USB would do the trick as well, though.
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post #111 of 131
That mockup is mad nice but I need usb I don't want a mouse hoggint the one firewire port apple gives me.
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post #112 of 131
so if the upshot of a firewire MM is that apple start putting a decent amount of Firewire ports on ALL their computers.... then i could live with that
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Firewire has a lower refresh rate than USB (125Hz).. It may even be less than bluetooth (80Hz)

I'd had to go with a huge thumbs down on firewire in a mouse.
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post #115 of 131
FireWire also has no such thing as a HID specification, to my knowledge. USB HID makes developing simple standardized device drivers easy.

(I found no information on a FireWire refresh rate. USB's is indeed 125 Hz.)
post #116 of 131
Add a line down the middle for two distinct buttons, a slightly larger scroll wheel, and the ability to use the side buttons independantly, and the current design would be just fine.
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Originally posted by BenRoethig
Add a line down the middle for two distinct buttons, a slightly larger scroll wheel, and the ability to use the side buttons independantly, and the current design would be just fine.

Yes, they need to split into 2 buttons, and alter the ability for the mouse to recognize 2 inputs at once. My biggest frustration when using the Mighty Mouse (which I otherwise really like) is the fact that if I set the side buttons to Expose, I can't envoke Expose, then left click to drag and re-envoke EXPOSE while still holding down the left-click. THere are plenty of times I need the ability to do that, especially since Pages won't always 'see' a drag into a document until you bounce in and out of the application a few times.
post #118 of 131
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NEW Wireless Mighty Mouse

1. "New" Laser tracking = very good
2. No wire = very good
3. 2 or "even one" AA battery = very good
3. More configuration options in preferences = very good
4. I'm getting one for free from Apple because I can't fix my existing Mighty Mouse = pleasant surprise that may cause jealously amongst other Mac users
5. Still has the same dirt attracting Scroll ball = flawed design
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post #119 of 131
Have you tried the Logitech MX Laser 1000?
Very cool mouse IMHO.
For me Apple can copy it and make it in white with the Apple logo then it's done.
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Originally posted by gugy
Have you tried the Logitech MX Laser 1000?
Very cool mouse IMHO.
For me Apple can copy it and make it in white with the Apple logo then it's done.
Cheers

Is that a mouse or a Klingon Warbird?
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