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post #201 of 301
8/5/06 at 8:24am
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Originally Posted by sunilraman

Heh. We'll see. The suspense is already fracking killing me. Good thing I'm going to go for a short run before lunch to clear my mind. Placebo, I am a new member of OMG WWDC OMG!!

Re: Enclosures: Yes, we may see a slightly re-jigged enclosure. I have been too harsh on Jon Ives and team, yesteday for the first fracking time I finally saw a MacBook black and white. It has been subtly refined and rejigged for widescreen and it is sexy and trendy. Let's see a little bit of Ives' fairy dust on the Mac Pros, yeah? Just some subtle rejigging, all I ask. Just a bit of fairy dust. Just a bit.

I think the Power Mac G5 case is practically perfect, that's just my opinion. Some slight adjustments to polish it a bit would be nice though.

And welcome to the cult! Induct more followers!
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post #202 of 301
8/7/06 at 10:14am
AHAHAHA YOU WERE ALL WRONG IT'S THE SAME CASE

(pretty much)
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post #203 of 301
8/7/06 at 10:15am
4 Hard drives, 2 CD drives. Not bad.
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post #204 of 301
8/7/06 at 10:17am
B-E-A-utiful!
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post #205 of 301
8/7/06 at 10:18am
Only 256MB RAM again? LOL.... otherwise nice.
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post #206 of 301
8/7/06 at 10:24am
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Originally Posted by nowayout11

Only 256MB RAM again? LOL.... otherwise nice.

haha... see:http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/07/l...-jobs-keynote/
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post #207 of 301
8/7/06 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by nowayout11

Only 256MB RAM again? LOL.... otherwise nice.

I'm beginning to think that's a typo for graphics RAM, but whatever, I'll just slap some Crucial in anyways.
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post #208 of 301
8/7/06 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by nowayout11

Only 256MB RAM again? LOL.... otherwise nice.

Sharp eye, I assumed it was on the video card, I hope that's the case, or some other typo. It looks like a config where every buyer would have to upgrade the RAM. May as well offer it with a RAM-empty configuration, though I would assume that a good fraction of buyers would just stuff in more than 2GB of RAM anyway.
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post #209 of 301
8/7/06 at 10:27am
Ah, I see 1 GB in the photo. Someone F'ed up. In that case, NICE!
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post #210 of 301
8/7/06 at 10:29am
what photo, jesus christ you can't do that
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post #211 of 301
8/7/06 at 10:30am
oh, I see now
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post #212 of 301
8/7/06 at 10:30am
http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/07/l...-jobs-keynote/

The photo shows 1 GB in the $2500 config.
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post #213 of 301
8/7/06 at 10:35am
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http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/07/l...-jobs-keynote/

The photo shows 1 GB in the $2500 config.

The comparison against the Dell isn't quite right, because Dell's support is 3 years stock (IIRC, on-site) PowerMac's was 1yr and you have to bring it or ship it to them. They Dell is using using an expensive Quadro where the Mac Pro just uses a cheaper consumer card.
I went through the pricing and could only come up with $3200 for the Dell Prec 690 for the stated specs.

Still, the hot-plug hard drives is nifty, and other things make comparison a little difficult.
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post #214 of 301
8/7/06 at 10:38am
Does the $2500 system come with 1 duel core CPU or 2?
If it only comes with one then it is way too much. You can get systems with 2 gigs of ram a faster non workstation CPU, and 2 video cards for the same price.
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post #215 of 301
8/7/06 at 10:38am
ALL are dual. ALL.

ALL.

ALL.

AAAAAAAOOOOOHMYGOD
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post #216 of 301
8/7/06 at 10:39am
dual dual-core? or dual core?
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post #217 of 301
8/7/06 at 10:41am
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Originally Posted by Placebo

ALL are dual. ALL.

ALL.

ALL.

AAAAAAAOOOOOHMYGOD

Mmmm...promised myself never to (personally) buy another $3K machine.

Damnit.

Vinea
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post #218 of 301
8/7/06 at 10:49am
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Does the $2500 system come with 1 duel core CPU or 2?
If it only comes with one then it is way too much. You can get systems with 2 gigs of ram a faster non workstation CPU, and 2 video cards for the same price.

It looks like a full 2x dual core, meaning a quad. It even specifically says "quad" in one of the Engadget photos.
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post #219 of 301
8/7/06 at 10:50am
Man this is all I ever dreamed of.
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post #220 of 301
8/7/06 at 10:57am
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Man this is all I ever dreamed of.

The defector is back!
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post #221 of 301
8/7/06 at 11:03am
I never defected. I clearly stated that if recent events happened like they just did, I'd be stoked, and if they didn't, I wouldn't.
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post #222 of 301
8/7/06 at 11:07am
It's too bad there is no sli / cross fire. Not only will amd 4x4 let you use that it will use cheaper non sever ram.
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post #223 of 301
8/7/06 at 11:09am
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I never defected. I clearly stated that if recent events happened like they just did, I'd be stoked, and if they didn't, I wouldn't.

Really? I swear as far back as 6 months ago you were saying your goodbyes and pricing a linux system?
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post #224 of 301
8/7/06 at 11:13am



And it is $1000 cheaper than Dell!!
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post #225 of 301
8/7/06 at 11:21am
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And it is $1000 cheaper than Dell!!

The real difference, to get a reasonable comparison, is closer to $300. The Apple price probably still doesn't include a 3 yr waranty (add $250 and it's not on-side like Dell's workstation warranties). I just ran the order form for the 690 with those specs and it came out to $3200. Then there's the Quadro vs. consumer video card.

Still is good deal, but the old RDF is over stating the price difference. The Mac Pro might be more comparable to the Prec 590 than the 690 as well.
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post #226 of 301
8/7/06 at 11:21am
For how long?
also the dell comes with a quadro 550 apple just a 7300gt
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post #227 of 301
8/7/06 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by JeffDM

The real difference, to get a reasonable comparison, is closer to $300. Still is a better deal, but the old RDF is over stating the price difference. The Mac Pro might be more comparable to the Prec 590 than the 690 as well.

You are right BUT still am very impressed with the pricing. I did expect all Quad core but not these prices.
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post #228 of 301
8/7/06 at 11:27am
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Really? I swear as far back as 6 months ago you were saying your goodbyes and pricing a linux system?

And I swear that's none of your business. People make decisions at one point within a specific set of circumstances, and when those circumstances change, the decision may also change.

Stop being obtuse and leave the guy alone.
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post #229 of 301
8/7/06 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by JeffDM

The real difference, to get a reasonable comparison, is closer to $300. Still is a better deal, but the old RDF is over stating the price difference. The Mac Pro might be more comparable to the Prec 590 than the 690 as well.

Hey the RDF is even distorting the image above
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post #230 of 301
8/7/06 at 11:40am
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Originally Posted by mwswami

Hey the RDF is even distorting the image above

That's true. The Apple site has the new products up, cheaper Cinema displays, XServe, Mac Pro, etc, so now we can get a better idea of what is really in these things.
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post #231 of 301
8/7/06 at 11:46am
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And I swear that's none of your business. People make decisions at one point within a specific set of circumstances, and when those circumstances change, the decision may also change.

Stop being obtuse and leave the guy alone.

I wasn't harrassing him, I initially said it as a joke and I think anyone who can read knows that. My second comment isn't asking him to explain anything, it was just a regular out loud response, if you talked to another human being you'd hear people make responses like that all the time, it isn't trying to pry, it's just a reply.

Oh and I gotta love the hypocrisy of jumping into someone else's conversation to tell them to mind their own business. Real cool.
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post #232 of 301
8/7/06 at 11:50am
Well, my mockup was close.

Power supply up top. Dual optical drives that aren't slot-loaders.

I got the number of holes between drives wrong by one. heh.
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post #233 of 301
8/7/06 at 12:02pm
It look like you can have 4 video cards but not in sli and it does not say what speed the slots are at.
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post #234 of 301
8/7/06 at 12:04pm
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Originally Posted by JeffDM

The real difference, to get a reasonable comparison, is closer to $300. The Apple price probably still doesn't include a 3 yr waranty (add $250 and it's not on-side like Dell's workstation warranties). I just ran the order form for the 690 with those specs and it came out to $3200. Then there's the Quadro vs. consumer video card.

Still is good deal, but the old RDF is over stating the price difference. The Mac Pro might be more comparable to the Prec 590 than the 690 as well.

I'm looking at the dell configuration screen. Mine comes out to $3822. The second processor add $869 to the base price. I added a second network card and deleted the stock wireless card. Forgot to delete the floppy drive. Still not more than $50 difference.

Catalog Number / Description Product Code SKU Id

Dell Precision Workstation 690 (750W - 32bit): Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5150 2.66GHz, 4MB L2,1333 T2674 [222-3854] 1

Operating System: Genuine Windows® XP Professional, SP2 with Media XPP2E [420-4860] 11

2nd Processor: Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5150 2.66GHz, 4MB L2,1333 PR264 [311-6280] 2

Memory: 1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 533MHz, ECC (2 DIMMS) 1G2E [311-5946] 3

Graphic Cards: 128MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro FX550, Dual VGA or Dual DVI or DVI + VGA FX550 [320-4763] 6

Hard Drive Configuration: C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 or 2 drive total configuration SATA12 [341-3378] 9

Boot Hard Drive: 250GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst Cache™ 250ST [341-3729] 8

Hard Drive Internal Controller Option: SATA/SAS Integrated Card - For Connecting Internal Hard Drives SASCTL [341-3435] 24

CD-ROM, DVD, and Read-Write Devices: 16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD™ and Roxio Creator™ Dell Ed DVRW16 [313-4287] 16

Floppy Drive and Media Card Reader Options: 3.5 inch 1.44MB Floppy Drive FD [341-3690] 10

Monitors: No Monitor Option NMN [320-3316] 5

Additional PCI-E Network Adapter card: Broadcom NetXtreme 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet controller-PCI Express card BNET [430-1680] 13

Keyboard: Dell USB Enhanced Multimedia Keyboard with built-in 2-port USB Hub U8 [310-7950] 4

Mouse: Dell USB 2-Button Optical Mouse with Scroll LOB [310-7958] 12

Speakers: Internal Chassis Speaker,Dell INTSPK [313-3417] 18

Resource CD: No Resource CD NORCD [313-3673] 21

Hardware Support Services: 3 Year Business Essential Plan PADP3YR [902-4902][970-1012][970-6580][981-8389][984-2917][984-2918] 29

Installation Services: No Onsite System Setup NOINSTL [900-9987] 32
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post #235 of 301
8/7/06 at 12:11pm
I don't know what is going on for you, I did it again and still didn't hit $3300. I did forget the keyboard and second NIC on the previous try, but I didn't find where to get rid of the wireless adapter. You did pick an up-model "Essential Plan" plan (adds $408), not the "Economy Plan" (included). That's probably where the difference lies. Apple's support doesn't go as far as even the base plan.
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post #236 of 301
8/7/06 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by vinea

I'm looking at the dell configuration screen. Mine comes out to $3822. The second processor add $869 to the base price. I added a second network card and deleted the stock wireless card. Forgot to delete the floppy drive. Still not more than $50 difference.

Catalog Number / Description Product Code SKU Id

Dell Precision Workstation 690 (750W - 32bit): Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5150 2.66GHz, 4MB L2,1333 T2674 [222-3854] 1

Operating System: Genuine Windows® XP Professional, SP2 with Media XPP2E [420-4860] 11

2nd Processor: Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5150 2.66GHz, 4MB L2,1333 PR264 [311-6280] 2

Memory: 1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 533MHz, ECC (2 DIMMS) 1G2E [311-5946] 3

Graphic Cards: 128MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro FX550, Dual VGA or Dual DVI or DVI + VGA FX550 [320-4763] 6

Hard Drive Configuration: C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 or 2 drive total configuration SATA12 [341-3378] 9

Boot Hard Drive: 250GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst Cache 250ST [341-3729] 8

Hard Drive Internal Controller Option: SATA/SAS Integrated Card - For Connecting Internal Hard Drives SASCTL [341-3435] 24

CD-ROM, DVD, and Read-Write Devices: 16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD and Roxio Creator Dell Ed DVRW16 [313-4287] 16

Floppy Drive and Media Card Reader Options: 3.5 inch 1.44MB Floppy Drive FD [341-3690] 10

Monitors: No Monitor Option NMN [320-3316] 5

Additional PCI-E Network Adapter card: Broadcom NetXtreme 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet controller-PCI Express card BNET [430-1680] 13

Keyboard: Dell USB Enhanced Multimedia Keyboard with built-in 2-port USB Hub U8 [310-7950] 4

Mouse: Dell USB 2-Button Optical Mouse with Scroll LOB [310-7958] 12

Speakers: Internal Chassis Speaker,Dell INTSPK [313-3417] 18

Resource CD: No Resource CD NORCD [313-3673] 21

Hardware Support Services: 3 Year Business Essential Plan PADP3YR [902-4902][970-1012][970-6580][981-8389][984-2917][984-2918] 29

Installation Services: No Onsite System Setup NOINSTL [900-9987] 32

the dell has a SATA/SAS Integrated raid Card. The mac pro just has sata with no raid
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post #237 of 301
8/7/06 at 12:12pm
Proper respect to ZachPruckowski for making a good prediction!

I didn't think Apple would do it, but they are selling a 2S 2 GHz Woodcrest for $2100. At that price, Apple's got room to grow the iMac price to $1999. Also looks like the cheap desktop ($1000 to $1600) Mac will not be in Apple's plans for the foreseeable future.
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post #238 of 301
8/7/06 at 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by Joe_the_dragon

dual dual-core? or dual core?

Two dual core Xeon 5100 series. AKA all quads. Pretty frickin' amazing. The Mac Pro is everything the PowerMac G5 should have been. So, any questions on why we went to intel now?
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post #239 of 301
8/7/06 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by THT

Proper respect to ZachPruckowski for making a good prediction!

I didn't think Apple would do it, but they are selling a 2S 2 GHz Woodcrest for $2100. At that price, Apple's got room to grow the iMac price to $1999. Also looks like the cheap desktop ($1000 to $1600) Mac will not be in Apple's plans for the foreseeable future.

The way I see it, Apple has opened itself up for four possibilities.
1. Apple once again forgets everyone who is not a professional or casual consumer.
2. A Core 2 brother to the Mac Pro. Possibly using the same case.
3. Licensing to PC Makers for Prosumer market.
4. Second PC-like brand.
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post #240 of 301
8/7/06 at 12:21pm
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Two dual core Xeon 5100 series. AKA all quads. Pretty frickin' amazing. The Mac Pro is everything the PowerMac G5 should have been. So, any questions on why we went to intel now?

where is the 1500 or less head less desk top?
people are not go to pay 2100 just to get good video with a AIO.
Also $300 to go form 1gig to 2gig what a rip.
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