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Intel may launch Merom alongside Conroe

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Intel Corp. may launch its Core 2 Duo notebook chips as early as next week, a recent company roadmap has revealed.

According to a set of presentation slides obtained by the Chinese-language publication HKEPC, the world's largest chip maker may simplify its Core 2 Duo processor launch by introducing both Conroe (desktop) and Merom (notebook) variants on July 23rd.

The company's original plans called for Conroe to debut in July and Merom in August. Although Intel may now launch both chips simultaneously, Merom availability will remain targeted for August, the report states.

Based on the slides, Intel will make Merom available in five different clock speeds, each running on a 667MHz front-side bus. 2.0GHz, 2.16GHz, and 2.33GHz models will pack a 4MB Level 2 cache and retail in lots of 1000 for $294, $423 and $637 a piece, respectively.

The chips, which will succeed Intel's "Yonah" line of Core Duo processors, are expected to find their way into Apple's MacBook Pro product line before the end of the year.

Intel also plans 1.66GHz ($209) and 1.8GHz ($241) variants of Merom with 2MB of Level 2 cache, though Apple is likely to forgo the use of these chips, at least in the MacBook Pro product line.

Since Merom appears to be arriving at relatively the same price points as Yonah, its expected that Intel in September will slash the price of its Yonah processor lineup.

Apple currently employs Yonah processors in the iMac, MacBook, MacBook Pro and Mac mini.
post #2 of 152
Well seen as none of this matters to Mac users until August anyway
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post #3 of 152
It will be an interesting August indeed!
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Well this is interesting. Perhaps a "we're now taking orders on Conroe iMac's and Merom MacBook Pros" type deal along with the release?
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Wow, I wonder if we´ll have Merom MBP´s by August.
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Originally posted by marzetta7
It will be an interesting August indeed!

I am getting more and more excited! I sure am glad that I have held off on ordering my MBP. I really hope they release a new revision of the MBP at the WWDC because I *really* do not want to wait until late fall. My iBook G3 is on its third logic board already... It might not even last that long.

-Kerrum
post #7 of 152
interesting if the imac etc. prices got slashed but NOT updated till next Jan.

unlikely, but interesting
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Originally posted by Trendannoyer
interesting if the imac etc. prices got slashed but NOT updated till next Jan.

unlikely, but interesting

That, my friend, would anger me greatly... Here's to hoping they just put the new chips in just in time for the back to school buying season.
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Originally posted by Kerrum
I am getting more and more excited! I sure am glad that I have held off on ordering my MBP. I really hope they release a new revision of the MBP at the WWDC because I *really* do not want to wait until late fall. My iBook G3 is on its third logic board already... It might not even last that long.

That makes two of us... my old PB is on its last legs, and I've been forcing it to limp along until Merom is released. With this news I definitely think we'll see new MBPs sometime in August, if not unveiled at WWDC for pre-order.
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I also hope that they at least make some kind of announcement of a newer macbook pro. I have been waiting for a while now and I don't want to wait till end of the year. I wonder if macbook pro case will change because of this merom chip or just the processor speeds will get updated. Any ideas?

Also, when do you guys think the newer macbook pro's will be launched? Of course, no-one will actually know till the last minute when Apple announces but since I have been waiting for so long, it definitely keeps me thinking..
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" The chips, which will succeed Intel's "Yonah" line of Core Duo processors, are expected to find their way into Apple's MacBook Pro product line before the end of the year.
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Also, I am a little confused with this article; what do they mean with "the chips which will succeed Intel's Yonah line of Core Duo processors"? I am assuming they mean "Merom" chips, correct?
post #12 of 152
Way to go, Intel. This is wonderful news if it's true.

Unless, that is, if it's a paper launch.
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first generation of True mobile CPUs are on the way, hope they do not suck battery ...

another 22 days to go!

Here Sony selling its Vaio rock bottom prices, indeed Merom coming early ...

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Originally posted by shanmugam
first generation of True mobile CPUs are on the way, hope they do not suck battery ...

What's more mobile about these compared to Yonahs? Even the TDP is three watts higher.
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Talking about Meroms and Yonahs with Isreal raging war ridiculously is a bit...odd.

Don't wait for Meroms...wait for Lebanon-Killer...it's sure to be a real blast.
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What's more mobile about these compared to Yonahs? Even the TDP is three watts higher.

Performance???

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post #17 of 152
I have the original aluminum 15" 1.25 GHz PB which will be 3 yo in September so I'm definitely in the market for a Merom Core 2 Duo MBP.

Speaking of Yonah and Merom, one might give a thought to Intel Israel. Haifa has been pounded by rockets fired by Hezbollah in Lebanon. They mentioned on the news that Haifa is the Silicon Valley of Israel and Intel has a facility there. You can read about it here: Intel Israel Fab Tour

So, with these rocket attacks coming from the terrorist guerillas in Lebanon, how are those wonderful Intel people doing in Haifa? Intel Under FireLiterally

Hope we all know the benefits of the Core 2 Duo series. If you don't, it's easy to find out. One of the things discussed in recent months was Intel's Robson flash cache technology which is supposed to be introduced with the Conroe and Merom systems. The idea is that a bit of flash memory on the logic board or in a hybrid flash/HD can boost startup times and a whole lot more. This is interesting: Robson

AppleInsider posted an article about this back on Jan. 5, saying Apple would be using Robson by the following week, according to a DigiTimes article. Oops.
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Originally posted by Rolo
One of the things discussed in recent months was Intel's Robson flash cache technology which is supposed to be introduced with the Conroe and Merom systems. The idea is that a bit of flash memory on the logic board or in a hybrid flash/HD can boost startup times and a whole lot more.

Robson is announced to be arriving with the Santa Rosa chipset, which is arriving in March 2007. Meroms this year will be using the same chipsets that Apple is using today ('napa' 945 series) which doesn't include Robson. Merom is a drop in replacement for laptops that already use yonah, no redesigning necessary.

Isn't it great to have these schedules so open!
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My thought is that we will NOT see the new Merom-based MBPs until September. Apple has a fairly consistent schedule of September laptop announcements. Also, there is going to be a LOT going on at WWDC, so the focus will be mainly Leopard and the new MacPro desktop computers (emphasis on the power to take the new OS to the limits). New laptops would get lost in the shuffle and Apple would love the opportunity to garner more press coverage again a month later. Final factor is that these new MBPros (sorry, no upgrade for the MacBook yet) are going to be a HUGE seller, so if Apple has access to the Merom chip in August, they can start making these and have them in strong supply before they announce. I know my biggest complaint over the years is how slow Apple is to fill the supply line with new laptops. They did a great job with the MacBooks, so I think a Spetember launch is more likely for all of these reasons.
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Why hold off? Technically if your good with a soldering iron you could replace the chip in the current macbook pro with a merom chip if you wanted (I know that's crazy)

But that aside, why not buy a macbook now, and sell it on ebay when the new ones come out? I always do this, or just keep both.

That way I always have the most up to date computer :-)

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Originally posted by Kerrum
I am getting more and more excited! I sure am glad that I have held off on ordering my MBP. I really hope they release a new revision of the MBP at the WWDC because I *really* do not want to wait until late fall. My iBook G3 is on its third logic board already... It might not even last that long.

-Kerrum
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Originally posted by retroneo
Robson is announced to be arriving with the Santa Rosa chipset, which is arriving in March 2007. Meroms this year will be using the same chipsets that Apple is using today ('napa' 945 series) which doesn't include Robson. Merom is a drop in replacement for laptops that already use yonah, no redesigning necessary.

Isn't it great to have these schedules so open!

Hmm, same Merom processor but different chipset. Santa Rosa sounds really interesting and it might be out in March. Santa Rosa

Curiously, the Robson article I posted came out 3 days after the Intel press release.

More, here, with photos: Mobility, Merom & Santa Rosa
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Originally posted by kim kap sol
Talking about Meroms and Yonahs with Isreal raging war ridiculously is a bit...odd.

Don't wait for Meroms...wait for Lebanon-Killer...it's sure to be a real blast.

Are you kidding?
"Israel raging war ridiculously"???

Terrorists kidnap a soldier...and kill another...then kidnap two more...AND fire rockets all over the place.

Israel waits...warns...waits more...and then retaliates, and they are waging war ridiculously?

You either didn't mean what you said or you are an idiot. I dont care if you have a half million posts THAT POST was "ridiculous".
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I wonder if this is true. Merom was supposed to be coming out in the 4th quarter, according to Intel's own roadmap.

If it is true, I wonder why?

The rumors about Apple demand... er, requesting, that Intel move the chip introductions forwards might be true, if it is happening.

This is suspiciously timed for the Dev Conf.
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NO NO NO!

Dont you get my hopes up, damn AI!

I'm waiting on the Merom MacBook Pro, I am ready to wait till mid September, so don't you go getting my hopes up, now i'll be expecting a Merom MBP really soon...
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post #25 of 152
melgross stated:

"This is suspiciously timed for the Dev Conf."

Even more interesting when you consider how long ago Apple changed the date of the conference. Personally, I think AMD is "pushing" Intel more than Apple is at the moment, although I'm sure Intel enjoys having a high profile set of machines to develop for again...
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Originally posted by SirROM
melgross stated:

"This is suspiciously timed for the Dev Conf."

Even more interesting when you consider how long ago Apple changed the date of the conference. Personally, I think AMD is "pushing" Intel more than Apple is at the moment, although I'm sure Intel enjoys having a high profile set of machines to develop for again...

It's just interesting, because if it's true, then it might show that Apple does have some influence with Intel. After all, Ottelini said that Apple would push them to make more interesting products.
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Why hold off? Technically if your good with a soldering iron you could replace the chip in the current macbook pro with a merom chip if you wanted (I know that's crazy)

But that aside, why not buy a macbook now, and sell it on ebay when the new ones come out? I always do this, or just keep both.

That way I always have the most up to date computer :-)

A.) I am fresh out of under graduate school, and I really don't have the income to be spending away like that.

B.) I have a one time 20% off student developer discount which I intend to use for this purchase. Consider it is a graduation gift from myself. Also by using this discount I am under contract to not resell it for at least twelve months.

-Kerrum
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Originally posted by shanmugam
Performance???

That's not my definition of a "True Mobile processor". But then, why don't we drop a POWER5 CPU into a laptop?
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Originally posted by wealjays
Are you kidding?
"Israel raging war ridiculously"???

Terrorists kidnap a soldier...and kill another...then kidnap two more...AND fire rockets all over the place.

Israel waits...warns...waits more...and then retaliates, and they are waging war ridiculously?

You either didn't mean what you said or you are an idiot. I dont care if you have a half million posts THAT POST was "ridiculous".

I know we arent supposed to talk about stuff like this but you can not leave a post so blindly ignorant like this.

Im sorry but this post is ridiculos, you clearly do not know what is going on in the middle east. The american news loves to put the terrorist spin on everything to make your president justified for raging illegal wars.

The real terrorists out there is the Israli government. I would stop reading and believeing everything the american press has to say. Appleinsider excluded of course.
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Just a friendly suggestion to all involved: please keep/move the political discussions in PoliticalOutsider and let this thread run smoothly. Thanks.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by wealjays
......You either didn't mean what you said or you are an idiot. I dont care if you have a half million posts THAT POST was "ridiculous".


Dude, Kim Kap Sol only has 2039 posts. He simply put in Posts: 473822 after the location. He does not have half a million posts.
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Dude, Kim Kap Sol only has 2039 posts. He simply put in Posts: 473822 after the location. He does not have half a million posts.

It is at least the second time he fools newbies this way.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by melgross
I wonder if this is true. Merom was supposed to be coming out in the 4th quarter, according to Intel's own roadmap....If it is true, I wonder why?...The rumors about Apple demand... er, requesting, that Intel move the chip introductions forwards might be true, if it is happening....This is suspiciously timed for the Dev Conf.



Hate to burst your bubble, Apple fans, but Intel is not on a steamroller and a screaming schedule because Steve Jobs is whispering in Paul Ottelini's ear.

Intel has put in a lot of work to get it's 65nm fabs in full swing. It has launched a barrage (bad language to use in these times I know) of Core architecture CPUs that are kicking ass. These CPUs are getting out and early to the public and hardware enthusiast sites. Conroe is a clear AMD-Athlon killer and Intel has published a raft of benchmarks already with the Xeon Woodcrests, taking on the Opterons hard and fast. Yonah was a great debut, and Merom looks solid and Meroms have sneaked out to some people already.

What we are looking at is a rejuvenated Intel that is focused on three things:

1. 65nm fab process that kicks ass.
2. A new microarchitecture that delivers performance-per-watt above all competitors. Note that in the TomsHardware.com review the Conroe was generally beating the Athlons while consuming less overall system power at idle, mid, and full loads.
3. Competing on price. They've slashed the Netbursts down heavily. The Pentium D 805 at about $100+ overclocks to 3ghz easily. Not bad for a dual core that say at worst is equivalent to an Athlon X2 @ 2ghz. A hundred-buck CPU. Retail.

I don't think Apple is influencing Intel. Apple is riding high on the tradewinds, surfing the best that any Apple CPU-vendor has delivered in several years.

The best part of this is the product cycles and marketing of Apple computers, compared with Intel. On one hand, you have Intel churning out faster, cheaper, better processors. On the other, you have Apple which makes measured introductions of products which are updated usually twice or at most three times a year.

It's great for Apple, because they can continue to sell Apple products at similar prices for longer while their cpu costs keep dropping. Read: Profit Margin Bonuses.

Remember that Apple marketing and it's target market is not generally obsessed by having the latest and greatest out of Intel. Consumers want something reliable and fun and easy to use. Pros want something yes, beefy, gets the job done, and lasts a while until their next budget review gives them upgrades.

Again, this is a scenario where Apple can make measured introductions and updates of products, with the latest and best CPUs, and inbetween intros and updates, have their profit margins look very healthy as Intel throws more and more chips at them for less and less money.

Waiting for Apple products to be updated with this level of change and improvement out of Intel gets a bit crazy. It's back to PC land, my friends, where it's obsolete the moment you buy it, specwhore-wise. Get what you need, when you need, and feel good about what you can do with it for the time you want to keep it. (hmm... this line is going in my sig)
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Since Merom appears to be arriving at relatively the same price points as Yonah, its expected that Intel in September will slash the price of its Yonah processor lineup.

That bit sounds particularly good... especially if youre after a mac Mini or MacBook - they'll have to get rid of that core solo mini now.
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Agree with Suni. These aggressive Intel product releases have less to do with Apple and more to do with AMD. Intel looks tired of being bitch slapped by AMD performance wise and are finally doing something about it. The loss of market share may have a little something to do about it as well.
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Originally posted by xUKHCx
I know we arent supposed to talk about stuff like this but you can not leave a post so blindly ignorant like this.

Im sorry but this post is ridiculos, you clearly do not know what is going on in the middle east. The american news loves to put the terrorist spin on everything to make your president justified for raging illegal wars.

The real terrorists out there is the Israli government. I would stop reading and believeing everything the american press has to say. Appleinsider excluded of course.

First off, why does everyone act like the media in the US is so bad? Trust me, no matter where you are, yours isn't any better. Secondly, since when did the US have anything to do with the war with Israel?
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Originally posted by Rolo
So, with these rocket attacks coming from the terrorist guerillas in Lebanon, how are those wonderful Intel people doing in Haifa? Intel Under FireLiterally

That's one of the design facilities, there are others. If it slows down design, that may be a problem for some future products not so close to release, but the ability to produce the actual chips is elsewhere.
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When Apple originally announced the move to Intel my first thought was that Mac users were going to have to adjust to a different release cycle. After years of waiting for a new (and/or faster) PPC the Mac world was about to change.

Now that Apple is just about fully Intel we are going to start seeing more rapid upgrades to the Mac line. The "Intel Big Boys" jump on new products as soon as they are available and Apple is now an Intel Big Boy. If Meron is released I have no doubt that Apple will be ready to put it into the MBP. Same with Conroe - if it's ready for the iMac then use it. Only the lower lines (mini, MB and education iMac) might see some delay in upgrades.
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Originally posted by JeffDM
That's one of the design facilities, there are others. If it slows down design, that may be a problem for some future products not so close to release, but the ability to produce the actual chips is elsewhere.

Since this thread is about Merom and Conroe, I think it is worth mentioning that the Merom was designed in Haifa and that Haifa has been under attack for the past 3 days.

It occurs to me that is the Merom works in a modified Napa chipset, the next MBP might not see a case change. Maybe that'll happen with Santa Rosa next spring. Hard to tell.
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Originally posted by xUKHCx
I know we arent supposed to talk about stuff like this but you can not leave a post so blindly ignorant like this.

Im sorry but this post is ridiculos, you clearly do not know what is going on in the middle east. The american news loves to put the terrorist spin on everything to make your president justified for raging illegal wars.

The real terrorists out there is the Israli government. I would stop reading and believeing everything the american press has to say. Appleinsider excluded of course.

No - YOU have shown how ignorant you are. Take your terrorist propoganda to another blog. Lie and confuse people elsewhere.
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