or Connect
AppleInsider › Forums › Mobile › iPod + iTunes + AppleTV › Microsoft confirms plans for iPod rival
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Microsoft confirms plans for iPod rival

post #1 of 90
Thread Starter 
Microsoft Corp. on Friday confirmed that it's working on music and entertainment products that will compete with Apple Computer's iPod digital music players and iTunes jukebox software.

In a statement obtained by the Associated Press, the Redmond, Wash.-based software developer said it will release the first of the hardware and software products, dubbed "Zune," later this year.

The statement confirms several months of speculation on the subject that began earlier this year after reports surfaced that the company had been briefing music industry executives on the project and showing prototypes.

While Microsoft has reportedly refused to provide any details beyond its simple statement, Jupiter analyst Michael Gartenberg told the AP that he received confirmation from the company that it would release a wireless device that would play both music and video this year.

According to Gartenberg, the device will have an accompanying content service.

The move is expected to pit Microsoft against several of its own partners, including Creative Technology and Samsung, which are already using its software for their own players.
post #2 of 90
It's good to know that Apple will have some competition. Although the iPod will be better, at least it gives Apple reason to innovate again...plus competition is always a good thing
post #3 of 90
What a ridiculous name !
post #4 of 90
Quote:
Originally posted by Dzign
What a ridiculous name !

Someone at MS heard that iTunes was already taken.

Proud AAPL stock owner.

 

GOA

Reply

Proud AAPL stock owner.

 

GOA

Reply
post #5 of 90
lame.
David W.
The University of Texas at Austin
Mechanical Engineering | LBJ School of Public Affairs
www.davidwogan.us
Reply
David W.
The University of Texas at Austin
Mechanical Engineering | LBJ School of Public Affairs
www.davidwogan.us
Reply
post #6 of 90
Quote:
Originally posted by dmwogan
lame.

Yes, it doesn't exactly flow like, oh, let's say "MacBook" for example?

Proud AAPL stock owner.

 

GOA

Reply

Proud AAPL stock owner.

 

GOA

Reply
post #7 of 90
They should call it iZune. And all the dumbasses on engadget will be like "iZune is the shit just like that iRiver thing we like so much......I just wish apple wouldn't have copied MS and iRiver's naming strategies, goddamnit."
Quote:
Originally Posted by appleinsider vBulletin Message

You have been banned for the following reason:
Three personal attacks in one post. Congratulations.
Date the ban will be lifted:...
Reply
Quote:
Originally Posted by appleinsider vBulletin Message

You have been banned for the following reason:
Three personal attacks in one post. Congratulations.
Date the ban will be lifted:...
Reply
post #8 of 90
post #9 of 90
Quote:
Originally posted by Dzign
What a ridiculous name !


... "MacBook Pro" flows a whole lot better...
post #10 of 90
a little late.
-sphereboy
Reply
-sphereboy
Reply
post #11 of 90
Well I am glad my iMac can run Windows. I am quite worried that Apple does not have the power to take on MS in this area. MS is entering the market when the product is finallly mature and of course they have already started to make their jukebox software to feel like iTunes (Well the good bits anyways... not that Apple was the first either) So MS with their MS iZod will probably have an impact. Another concerns is the recent report stating MS will give people a copy of their music purchased from Apple free with Windows Media Player. This is not good news. If Apple does not release new products that compete with MS and of course match their price point (remember that the XBox 360 is subsidiesed by Microsoft to get market penetration and the flow on royalties from software) Apple has a serious problem. Still Apple knows how to innovate and as the market grows in its maturity Apple might just be happy with having a two horse race. I look forward to reading about the software geek who gets MS protected music working in iTunes. Probably wont be that hard to convert. Just like you can put any crap video with a protected ACC file in iMovie and then rip out the audio with Quicktime to remove the protection, you will probably be able to do the same thing just by using a Flip4Mac WMV plugin... not that I recommend doing such a thing. I do actually like keeping to the law in respect to copy protection... No really.
post #12 of 90
It will be an interesting contest. On the one hand, Microsoft may be able to bring in features that Apple can't because MS can afford to sell at a loss like they have with the xbox. On the other hand, they can't innovate, so will their product actually be any good? The old saying that Apple is MS's R&D department isn't exactly true. Often, they just buy out the smaller companies to get the products, but in this case Apple is the only game in town. So what will MS do? Will they just pack the product with wireless, a big hard drive and a big screen? Will it weigh less than 10 pounds? And how much will they lose on every sale?
post #13 of 90
three years too late...(probably) typical microsoft design...WMF DRM...lame.

This won't be about the money either. People have been shown to willingly pay more for an iPod. Price undercutting by microsoft might have a small effect, but it's going to be no iPod killer.
The secret of life: Proteins fold up and bind things.
Reply
The secret of life: Proteins fold up and bind things.
Reply
post #14 of 90
It is pathetic at best for the lame, mindless sheep of this world to believe that once Microsoft enters a market, that they are so rich and powerful that they get anything they want. That the only reason anyone else can enjoy any successes, is because this 200 lb. Gorilla MS is letting them out of the kindness of their non-interfering heart.. There are and have been lots of ipod competitors. Apple can hold their ground against all of them put together. (Literally). The infamous analysts and the general mindless masses all seem to think that every-time Apple creates something cool and unexpected and industry changing, that they SURLEY cannot ever do it again! But time and time again, I keep hearing the same, say wow. I didn't see that coming.
It reminds me of football. Coaches and players change teams almost daily. Each knows each other's playbook. But the true champions are the ones who can keep writing and executing NEW plays, taking the others by surprise and with skill and superior execution. For all of you brainwashed, MS hootin' sheep out there, who cannot see the lack of their innovation, their cowardliness to step up with NEW things, I pity your sense of being. I truly hope you enjoy XP sp4, or excuse me Vista, or otherwise known as a poor imitation of what OSX LOOKED LIKE 3 years ago. Rich, yes, Oppressive, yes, but always a follower, never a leader. What would they do if the sheep finally got their way and eliminated all of their competition? What is it they would copy? Who would they follow?
-ReCompile-
"No matter where you go, There you are"
- Buckaroo Bonzai
Reply
-ReCompile-
"No matter where you go, There you are"
- Buckaroo Bonzai
Reply
post #15 of 90
At least it's not called the xPod.

Or the XBOY, which just sounds like some sort of gay porn site.
post #16 of 90
Microsoft won't sell Zune at a loss like the Xbox. Xbox is sold at a loss because they can make money back on selling expensive games for it. On the consoles, the profit is in the software sales.

That's not the case with music players. There's very little profit in selling music. Almost all the profit comes from the players and the accessories.

Unless Zune comes with an aisle of cases, iTrips, headphones, docks, cables, socks! and other 'essential' kit, it cant hope to compete there. The other thing it needs is good software. WMP is horrible but it's been gradually getting better. iTunes on Windows isn't everyone's favourite application as it's often slow and consumes too much memory on lower end PCs.

Then there's podcasting. So far Microsoft just doesn't get podcasting.

It'll be interesting to see where MS go with software for Zune. Hopefully it'll get Apple to update iTunes from it's creaky OS9 origins to a true OSX application,
post #17 of 90
How innovative.
post #18 of 90
What in the hell (Redmond) is a.. "Zune"?!

That's a terrible name for a really innovative and original concept and device.
post #19 of 90
I'm interested in how the wireless-ness effects battery life
post #20 of 90
dear GROTH dont tell me im going to have to hear about ZUNECASTING!

if zune is a crap name, what do you think is better?

ipod is a crap name also, in the end with penitration it ends up just being a name.
post #21 of 90
They will mess up the software and it will be full of security holes.

Next...
post #22 of 90
Quote:
Originally posted by Trendannoyer
ipod is a crap name also, in the end with penitration it ends up just being a name.

And that's the problem with Zune. iPod already has penetration in the same way 'Walkman' did or 'Hoover' does for vacuum cleaners. People go in to shops and ask for 'iPods' meaning any old mp3 player or they'll ask you 'What's on your iPod?' even if you're listening to something else.

I always thought 'iPod' was actually quite good as it kind of meant something in that it was a 'Pod' for stashing your stuff. Apple haven't quite realised that fully though they're getting closer. wtf is a 'Zune' though? It's name says nothing about what it does except maybe rhyming with 'Tune'.
post #23 of 90
I hope it has a version of Windows running it. If so it will be sure to crash, hang and freeze plus when it does work it will start playing pop up audio ads for all sorts of things in the middle of songs.

OK, I have Apple shares I admit it
From Apple ][ - to new Mac Pro I've used them all.
Long on AAPL so biased
Google Motto "You're not the customer. You're the product."
Reply
From Apple ][ - to new Mac Pro I've used them all.
Long on AAPL so biased
Google Motto "You're not the customer. You're the product."
Reply
post #24 of 90
the label "iPod killer" proves that the iPod is something Microsoft had to rival.

the real question is, will it really rival the iPod in any way?
Microsoft, supposedly a software company is in hardware now.
post #25 of 90
Quote:
Originally posted by ALPICH
Well I am glad my iMac can run Windows. I am quite worried that Apple does not have the power to take on MS in this area. MS is entering the market when the product is finallly mature and of course they have already started to make their jukebox software to feel like iTunes (Well the good bits anyways... not that Apple was the first either) So MS with their MS iZod will probably have an impact. Another concerns is the recent report stating MS will give people a copy of their music purchased from Apple free with Windows Media Player. This is not good news. If Apple does not release new products that compete with MS and of course match their price point (remember that the XBox 360 is subsidiesed by Microsoft to get market penetration and the flow on royalties from software) Apple has a serious problem. Still Apple knows how to innovate and as the market grows in its maturity Apple might just be happy with having a two horse race. I look forward to reading about the software geek who gets MS protected music working in iTunes. Probably wont be that hard to convert. Just like you can put any crap video with a protected ACC file in iMovie and then rip out the audio with Quicktime to remove the protection, you will probably be able to do the same thing just by using a Flip4Mac WMV plugin... not that I recommend doing such a thing. I do actually like keeping to the law in respect to copy protection... No really.

Respectufully, you're concern in unjustified.

Apple has huge market penetration in both the Windows and Mac worlds with the iPod. They have fought off multiple cometitors that offer players with universal compatibility and arguably better features.

Why?

One reason is that the iPod has become a cultural phenomenon. It's a househould name, pardon the cliche. I've related the story here before. When I went to buy my iPod at the King of Prussia Mall (PA) Apple store last December, I saw it first hand. I was getting ready to get on the elevator, and I heard people in front of me talking. They said they needed to go to "the iPod store." I shit you not. We even have an "iPod economy" now, estimated to be $700 million.

Another reason is that people like the iTunes music store experience. It's penetration is huge, and it's also become a household name of sorts.

A third reason is Apple's own ability to innovate. I have no doubt that wireless pods are not far away...and "true video" iPods too. Wait until they get into movies. It's coming. Apple didn't invent the .mp3 player, but remember, they did essentially popularize it.

Now what does M$ have to do? First, there's a philosophical problem. Apple created a product it thought would be successful. The reason it was MORE than successful was that it didn't create the product for that sole reason. They created it for the purpose of innovation, and for the purpose of making peope's live's better. They innovate because they're Apple...and it makes them lots of money. What about Microsoft? Microsoft is releasing this product for one reason: To compete with the iPod. Oh sure, I know...that's business. But that philosophical difference is all the difference. It will drive features, price, performance, look, feel...everything. At Apple, it's about the best possible experience for the customer. Every product must meet Job's own standards. When it does, they release it, and reap the financial rewards.

Microsoft must do what the rest of the mp3 market cannot...convince people not to buy and iPod and to buy their product instead. That's a tall order given the iPod's penetration and name recognition. My prediction is that the Zune will fail or perhaps only moderately succeed, even with all the $ Microsoft will put behind it.
I can only please one person per day.  Today is not your day.  Tomorrow doesn't look good either.  
Reply
I can only please one person per day.  Today is not your day.  Tomorrow doesn't look good either.  
Reply
post #26 of 90
MS is entering the field because it has finally occurred to them that the iPod is going to be much more than just an MP3 player. The release of the Nike kit (along with Jobs comments) shows that Apple is serious about making the iPod into a mobile (pocketable) device for anything and everything that makes sense for a pocketable device to be.

The world is heading towards information/content anywhere/anytime, that is, it's moving away from the desktop. MS knows it now.
"you will know the truth, and the truth will
set you free."
Reply
"you will know the truth, and the truth will
set you free."
Reply
post #27 of 90
I still think the next area for iPod innovation will be health tracking and diagnostics that would logically compliment the new sports & fitness capabilities of Nike+.

With Steve's recent cancer scare, I could see his attention turning to this massive part of the market, what with the baby boomers nearing retirement and completely altering the spending dollar of the American consumer.

Proud AAPL stock owner.

 

GOA

Reply

Proud AAPL stock owner.

 

GOA

Reply
post #28 of 90
Maybe this is the reason why Apple is adding a spreadsheet and enhanced word processing to iWork.

Apple has the nVpod, the iPhone and the real video iPod coming and those should take care of Zune. (By the way, I like the name.) But now that Microsoft has taken its gloves off, it's time for Apple to fight back. Add a database (FileMaker) to iWork, port it to Windows (Filemaker is already ported) and have the OEMs offer it as an alternative to Office. I'm sure Apple already has an iWork port developed. Bundle iWork with every Mac. Apple can also licence OS X to OEMs, with a restriction that it can only be installed in Intel chipset based systems. With EFI and TPM they can probably limit it to specific chipsets, like the 965, 975 or 5000 families. What about OS X server? Licensing OS X on the desktop might be too dangerous to Apple's core business, but they have little to lose on the server side. OS X server could and should be licensed to 3rd parties like IBM or HP. (The Woodcrest Xserves should kick ass anyway. Apple needs to grow that part of the business.) How about OS X for PPC? Put a copy in every PS3, even if it's a scaled back version used to run iTunes and Safari. Enable Sony to upstage the Xbox 360. Licence FairPlay to Sony. A big Apple/Sony alliance would be lethal to Microsoft and the PS3 will be forever associated with the Mac. More of the halo effect to ensnare future Mac users.

Sorry for the rant. Just my 2¢.
post #29 of 90
Microshit has now ripped off every single Apple product

yay!!!

Microshit should BURN!!
post #30 of 90
"Microshit". Clever.
post #31 of 90
Quote:
Originally posted by gregmightdothat
"Microshit". Clever.

I believe for Microshit to release a hardware unit by the Christmas season (October) I think that they will go with their LAST ipod killer. Origami. This unit might be repackaged, but the same none the less. This would give them a Audio, Video unit that would be large enough to house the wireless elements and have the necessary hardware and size to play xbut games. It has already been designed. It already has vendors and suppliers. It already has it's distribution chain. It hasn't sold shit. Thus I'm sure they are screaming for some way to newly market the POS.
I think they will try to put it in a smaller enclosure, and possibly have one of their "partners" make the hardware, like Samsung as not to piss them all off entirely. They were the ones who made the flopped Origami. I think they would also have to run with the Viacom/MTV service they invested in for the ITMS clone. (What was it called? URGE?) This is the only conceivable way I can see Microshit getting a hardware unit and a music service out to market and ready to ship in the next 8 weeks or less. Remember when they used the same "Secret" type of marketing that Apple uses, and lead everyone to believe that they were coming out with a video ipod killer before Apple? And everyone concluded that Microshit would doom Apple for sure. Then it came. Origami. ooooooo. Have they sold even one yet? Microshit is known for taking failed products, like the OS ME and 2000, and welding them together and repackaging them to create something "New". (XP).
And you heard it first from "ReCompile". Here on Artificial Intelligence...er I mean Apple Insider...
-ReCompile-
"No matter where you go, There you are"
- Buckaroo Bonzai
Reply
-ReCompile-
"No matter where you go, There you are"
- Buckaroo Bonzai
Reply
post #32 of 90
Quote:
Originally posted by ReCompile
I believe for Microshit to release a hardware unit by the Christmas season (October) I think that they will go with their LAST ipod killer. Origami. This unit might be repackaged, but the same none the less. This would give them a Audio, Video unit that would be large enough to house the wireless elements and have the necessary hardware and size to play xbut games. It has already been designed. It already has vendors and suppliers. It already has it's distribution chain. It hasn't sold shit. Thus I'm sure they are screaming for some way to newly market the POS.
I think they will try to put it in a smaller enclosure, and possibly have one of their "partners" make the hardware, like Samsung as not to piss them all off entirely. They were the ones who made the flopped Origami. I think they would also have to run with the Viacom/MTV service they invested in for the ITMS clone. (What was it called? URGE?) This is the only conceivable way I can see Microshit getting a hardware unit and a music service out to market and ready to ship in the next 8 weeks or less. Remember when they used the same "Secret" type of marketing that Apple uses, and lead everyone to believe that they were coming out with a video ipod killer before Apple? And everyone concluded that Microshit would doom Apple for sure. Then it came. Origami. ooooooo. Have they sold even one yet? Microshit is known for taking failed products, like the OS ME and 2000, and welding them together and repackaging them to create something "New". (XP).
And you heard it first from "ReCompile". Here on Artificial Intelligence...er I mean Apple Insider...

Wait, so you think they're going to find some way to take an entire computer and somehow make it the size of an iPod?
post #33 of 90
Microsoft doesn't just have to compete with Apple, there's literally thousands of accessories for the iPod. Other products, like MS's, don't have that appeal.

And throwing WiFi in a device is hardly an appealing feature. So what if the iPod had WiFi. Who cares. it doesn't matter. The implementation of the WiFi in the device is the key to its success. And everyone knows MS is lousy at implementation of technologies.

And on top of all that, don't forget those killer iPod patents just published. MS is coming into this game very late, and with no experience. They'll fall on their face.
post #34 of 90
Zune?!

Thats hardley marketable.

I mean. Yes. Zune does rhyme with tune. But Zune. No. It's terrible.
post #35 of 90
Quote:
Originally posted by icfireball
Zune?!

Thats hardley marketable.

I mean. Yes. Zune does rhyme with tune. But Zune. No. It's terrible.

Oh I don't know, Zunes from the makers of Windoze ... kind of fits
From Apple ][ - to new Mac Pro I've used them all.
Long on AAPL so biased
Google Motto "You're not the customer. You're the product."
Reply
From Apple ][ - to new Mac Pro I've used them all.
Long on AAPL so biased
Google Motto "You're not the customer. You're the product."
Reply
post #36 of 90
Quote:
Originally posted by ReCompile
...
Apple can hold their ground against all of them put together. (Literally). The infamous analysts and the general mindless masses all seem to think that every-time Apple creates something cool and unexpected and industry changing, that they SURLEY cannot ever do it again! But time and time again, I keep hearing the same, say wow. I didn't see that coming.
It reminds me of football. Coaches and players change teams almost daily. Each knows each other's playbook. But the true champions are the ones who can keep writing and executing NEW plays, taking the others by surprise and with skill and superior execution. For all of you brainwashed, MS hootin' sheep out there, who cannot see the lack of their innovation, their cowardliness to step up with NEW things, I pity your sense of being. I truly hope you enjoy XP sp4, or excuse me Vista, or otherwise known as a poor imitation of what OSX LOOKED LIKE 3 years ago. Rich, yes, Oppressive, yes, but always a follower, never a leader. What would they do if the sheep finally got their way and eliminated all of their competition? What is it they would copy? Who would they follow?

*snif* ReComp you are my new man. This statement touches
my heart directly. Nice to see there are same mindsets out there.
" I will not commit anything to memory that I can get from another source . . . "
ALBERT EINSTEIN
Reply
" I will not commit anything to memory that I can get from another source . . . "
ALBERT EINSTEIN
Reply
post #37 of 90
Quote:
Originally posted by Vox Barbara
*snif* ReComp you are my new man. This statement touches
my heart directly. Nice to see there are same mindsets out there.

Count me in

I suspect the joke about the Mac depeartment at Redmond having the letters 'R & D' on the door are pretty close to the mark.
From Apple ][ - to new Mac Pro I've used them all.
Long on AAPL so biased
Google Motto "You're not the customer. You're the product."
Reply
From Apple ][ - to new Mac Pro I've used them all.
Long on AAPL so biased
Google Motto "You're not the customer. You're the product."
Reply
post #38 of 90
MS is trying a flanking plan....go to the artist and labels that want variable pricing, tie in with their other 90%share of the software market and then redefine the market to their advantage. i'd still like a full screen ipod with browser and wifi, BT so you can take this on the road as a mini web device

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060722...e_060722162348

interesting analysis but i'm sure that SJ planned on this, the nike move shows what is the potential. can you imagine using a heart monitor "belt' that transforms the ipod to a medical survey device. wireless connectivity is key to its continued growth....this nike thing is just the tip of the iceberg
oooooooh baby i can't wait. but i still think AI should have a pool to when the first virus attacks zune...because it's also being planned now
I APPLE THEREFORE I AM
Reply
I APPLE THEREFORE I AM
Reply
post #39 of 90
Quote:
Originally posted by trtam
What in the hell (Redmond) is a.. "Zune"?!

That's a terrible name for a really innovative and original concept and device.

jesus... enough on the flames of the name. Names dont mean anything. We already know MS cant name things (see: Vista).

Who every thought something called the "Ipod" would be a success. Its all mental.
post #40 of 90
I don't get some of you folks. As conumers, we should embrace competition...not be afraid of it. Shouldn't you be excited about possible new options and features? Nobody will be forced to buy MS if it's really inferior. Why the misplaced loyalty...unless you are shareholders of Apple, why react so negatively?

I've patiently waited for Apple to come out with new MP3 players all year. I've purchased four previously as family gifts and I was ready to buy a couple of more. With all the delays, most people will now be in a position to at least look at the new MS product before purchasing another iPod. This was something Apple has done to themselves.

Hedge your bets...buy some MS stock as well and let the best product...and the consumer...win.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: iPod + iTunes + AppleTV
AppleInsider › Forums › Mobile › iPod + iTunes + AppleTV › Microsoft confirms plans for iPod rival