Apple previews Mac OS X Leopard - Page 3

Originally Posted by scavanger

I disagree with this right here. I haven't had the chance to watch the keynote or the demonstrations about this since I'm at work, but....

Time Machine seems like a improved version of the Windows XP System Restore feature.
Spaces is pretty much linux's virtual desktop concept.
The iChat sharing desktop feature seems to be a pretty similar application to Windows XP's remote assitance feature.

No offense but that quote is pretty misleading, when 2 of the features seem to be taken from Windows XP itself.

Originally Posted by mark2005

And Windows XP Remote Assistance is a poor reduced capability ripoff of Timbuktu, which debuted on the Mac ages ago.

The idea of videoconferencing and over the network presentations (WebEx, etc) are not new. But Apple has lowered the price of entry to just the OS and free app, and made it easy to use for the average person by putting it into iChat. You wouldn't believe how many problems you can have signing a few people up for a WebEx presentation.

Originally Posted by Hobbes

But that's not by Apple.

Originally Posted by Mr Beardsley

Melgross don't fret over the lack of discussion reguarding resolution independence. I don't believe that showed up in Steve's WWDC keynote last time around. That was in the Graphics and Media State of the Union presentation. It will be those more focused workshops where the under the hood enhancements are discussed.

I for one am very eager to learn more about Objective-C 2. Here's what the blurb on Apple.com had to say:



I'm anxious to see how they managed garbage collection, and what syntax changes they made. Objective-C is a great language, but it was starting to show its age. Glad to see them sprucing it up.

Originally Posted by danielctull

Where does it say that Xcode 3.0 is getting released today? I've been listening and reading, but not hearing or seeing it.

Oddly, Xcode 2.4 is shown for download on the ADC Xcode page but I don't see it on the downloads page in the Member Site. Will 2.4 be a stop gap and we'll have to buy Leopard to get the 3.0 features? As with Kickaha, I am really looking forward to it, so the sooner the better.

Time Machine looks amazing. How easy to use and intuitive does that look? I would imagine it's detecting the changes, as Backup currently does. So a big first copy, then lots of incremental ones, detailing changes. Of course if that is how it's done, it just makes searching through the individual system states even more incredible.

The rest of the stuff looked cool. I'm glad they're putting effort into Accessibility, it's okay for folks without disabilities to sit there and say it's fine for me or whatever, but everyone should be able to use computers. Spaces looked okay, I've used virtual desktops before, the key now is clicking an app in the dock takes you to the screen with that app in.

Lets face it, Apple has been very under promising lately and significantly over delivering on their promise:

• Tiger to ship by 2h 2005 (IIRC), launched end of April, 2 months ahead.
• Ship Intel macs by WWDC 2006, ~6 months ahead.
• Move to Intel by end of 2007 was the first quote WWDC 2005, 16 months ahead.

The features list will grow. There are killer apps. This is the release that will compete directly with Windows. No smoke, no mirrors, no different platforms to hide behind. It's Windows vs. Mac OS X. Vista vs. Leopard.

Originally Posted by TenoBell

Microsoft kills Virtual PC for the Mac.

http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/08/07/vpc/index.php

Originally Posted by a_greer

consistant look and feel $50, although it should have been kept consistant all along
the ability to turn off spotlight and dashboard for older macs: $0 It should have been a DB/Spotlight feature in Tiger


and the 800LB Gorilla that Apple is ignoring
FIX THE F(antastic) FINDER!!!!
If done right (cleaner UI, better speed, better handling of nfs/smb shares and better FTP), $50


And the new multi-desktop thing is really cool, lets say $10 shareware price...

iChat (sans the keying which is really slick) is doing now what I did with netmeeting in Windows 98...so that has a whopping value of $0 Freeware...but I will be generous and add $20 for keying.

Originally Posted by hmurchison

I find it odd that you guys are debating based on very little knowledge of the "nuts and bolts" of Leopard and UI that hasn't been announced yet. Seems like a waste of time.

OS updates are also about changing the plumbing to enable better functionality of the apps using said plumbing.

I'm pretty damn interested in what Apple's NOT telling the public about. I find it interesting that they are saying little about

Quart Extreme and 2D enhancements
Updates to Core API
No finder updates
Nothing on Automator
Nothing on Applescript

etc


Apple has much more to divulge but for now they are just whetting the appetite a bit. It's up to Mac users to read between the lines a bit more. Some of you have grown so dependent on Thinksecret and AI to provide you info about what's coming you haven't built up skills of your own.

Leopard is going to be a nice OS just as Tiger was. The pieces are falling into place we just have to be patient.

Originally Posted by ALM

I wonder if Spotlight will be able to use Time Machine.

Originally Posted by Placebo

Why don't they skip hop and jump to the chase and just provide built-in big-people versioning?

Originally Posted by akheron01

Is it just me or is the finder getting a little too cluttered with organizational tools. Between Spaces, exposé, and spotlight I never know what I should be using anymore

Originally Posted by Bergermeister

Check out the cursor left in the CoreAnimation video... it appears after the first few seconds.

Originally Posted by tdamon

I believe the cursor is there because this was more like a screen-capture than a video. In the Keynote the guy was talking about how this was not a movie, but was being produced.

Other thoughts after reading all the other comments:

Some people are acting like this Virtual Desktops is a great idea that hadn't existed for OS X yet. Actually there are a couple of 3rd party solutions (You Control Desktops, Virtue Desktops), but they all have their flaws. I was waiting for Apple to implement virtual desktops because I knew they would do it right, and from the short preview it looks like they might've (the one feature they didn't mention which I really hope they implemented is individual backgrounds). I'm super excited about Spaces :-)

I'm also very excited about that web-capture-dashboard-thingy. I wish I could have it right now, there are a couple of widgets I already want to make with it!

On another note, it looks like most of us agree that there IS plenty more to come for Leopard (the "top secret" stuff). Apple has always been super secretive, so this comes as no surprise. And also, to those of you who disagree, did you so quickly forget how suddenly and out-of-the-blue Apple dropped the Intel transition on us? I have no doubt in my mind that they have some really great stuff up their sleeves yet again (maybe not quite so major, but probably still exciting).

I am really surprised at the number of people who are disappointed with this sneak peak of Leopard. The Keynote was clearly just skimming the surface of this next iteration of OS X. I think maybe the huge rumor-mill base that surrounds OS X is getting people's expectations too high...

My 2 cents.

Originally Posted by Keda

I was impressed by the keynote and the MacPros. Those look like great specs, and Ill be picking a couple up soon.

Overall, it was a great keynote. I can't wait for Leopard.

Originally Posted by wealjays

I am looking to make the switch (finally...i know). I just have one question...

If I buy, say the MacBook, now and Leopard comes out in March what will my options be for upgrading?

How much does it cost? I heard something about a family pack of a few copies, if I get some friends together how much will it cost a piece?

Most importantly is it worth waiting if I am not desperate for a new computer yet?

Originally Posted by Placebo

Why don't they skip hop and jump to the chase and just provide built-in big-people versioning?

Originally Posted by hmurchison

<sigh>

2006
4Mb Cable connection
streaming keynotes still sucks

Originally Posted by melgross

a couple of things here.
But, remember, Family Pack will not allow people living in seperate places to register. After the first registration, the rest won't go through. Unless Apple has changed that, but I don't think so.

Originally Posted by BRussell

Hmm? Registration?

Originally Posted by melgross

A somewhat different take on Leopard. Not a fanboi's view.

http://www.tomshardware.com/

Originally Posted by Placebo

Why don't they skip hop and jump to the chase and just provide built-in big-people versioning?

Originally Posted by ALM

I wonder if Spotlight will be able to use Time Machine.

Originally Posted by sjk

For clarification, you're wondering if Spotlight will search Time Machine backups?

Another question: Similar to Spotlight, will Time Machine have a command line interface?

Heck if I know, yet.

Originally Posted by melgross

Tiger launched early because, after Apple and Intel made their deal, Apple didn't want to besmirch the Dev conf with Tiger. They wanted the entire focus on the Intel relationship. They launched Tiger two months earlier than it was thought to be launched to give it plenty of time out there.

My friends inside Apple said that it was surprising that it launched when it did. considering that almost no one inside Apple knew of the Intel deal, that is not surprising.

I wasn't surprised that Apple moved the launch times of the machines up. That really was to be expected. Apple was dealing with a customer base that would drop their purchases if they knew that the machines would be HERE. So a bit of deception was needed. If they thought they had a year, they would continue to buy machines. The holiday sales proved that idea to be sound. Then, drop the shoe, and have an immediate announcement of availability of some popular models. The ones for the most fickle part of the customer base.

By that time everyone suspected that Apple would rush the rest, and so they did.

It was an obvious, and good, business strategy.

But you can't assume that it will follow for Leopard, though I suspect that it might be out somewhat before Spring.

Originally Posted by a_greer

the ability to turn off spotlight and dashboard

Originally Posted by melgross

The finder is PERFECT. Otherwise they would have fixed it YEARS ago.\

Originally Posted by Mr. H

Er... you already can turn off spotlight (scroll down to the "a better way" comment), and turn off dashboard.

Another great way of diabling these features is to use 10.3.9 instead of 10.4.x

Originally Posted by danielctull

Where does it say that Xcode 3.0 is getting released today? I've been listening and reading, but not hearing or seeing it.

Originally Posted by a_greer

Yes you or I can turn it off, but grandma on the 800Mhz iMac with 256MB ram may have a hard time with that...it chould be in prefs.

Originally Posted by a_greer

...
And the new multi-desktop thing is really cool, lets say $10 shareware price..