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Apple Computer on Monday enhanced the introduction of its Mac Pro desktops by slashing prices across the aesthetically matching Cinema Display line.

Apple's 30-inch Cinema Display HD model now retails for just $1999, a price cut of $500 from $2499.

Meanwhile, the 23-inch Cinema Display HD saw a $300 reduction from $1299 down to $999.

Finally, Apple shed $100 off the cost of its non-HD 20-inch Cinema Display, bringing the model down to $699.

Keynote stream posted

Apple this afternoon also posted a pre-recorded stream of chief executive Steve Jobs' presentation this morning.
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Meanwhile, the 23-inch Cinema Display HD saw a $300 reduction from $1299 down to $99.

Now that would be a saving worth seeing...
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Apparently the specs have also been improved so these are not just the old displays with a price drop.
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Mmmm, $99 displays. I'll take ten please.
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Apparently the specs have also been improved so these are not just the old displays with a price drop.

I was wondering this as well looking at the specs, is this confirmed?
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A nice drop but Apple’s monitors have never been the best value. HP’s L2335 was the Editor's Choice for monitors in its class. It can Pivot from Portrait to Landscape and comes with a 4 port USB hub!

http://www.macworld.com/2005/02/revi...hlcd/index.php

Even Dell’s UltraSharp 2405FPW is competitive with Apple’s offering.

http://www.macworld.com/2005/12/revi...0fpw/index.php

The best (or worst depending on how you look at it) part is, even with Apple’s price drop both are still cheaper than Apple’s Cinema display.
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Why is the botton a quick time movie??

http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.ne...ent/index.html
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Why is the botton a quick time movie??

http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.ne...ent/index.html

Why wouldn't it be a QuickTime movie? It always has been.

It's a QuickTime stream. It's from Apple, you know. It's sure as hell not going to be some WMA shit or RealPlayer.
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Why wouldn't it be a QuickTime movie? It always has been.

It's a QuickTime stream. It's from Apple, you know. It's sure as hell not going to be some WMA shit or RealPlayer.

He was asking why the actual button was a QuickTime element.

As far as I know, the answer is to make sure the user can play the movie by testing for QT7, using a QT element to press. If you haven't got QT you can't press the button.
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Apple's 30-inch Cinema Display HD model now retails for just $1999, a price cut of $500 from $2499.

Why do they do this? Why do they wait years to drop the price and then drop it 25%?
By all accounts these monitors have been overpriced for some time now, couldn't they drop a hundred here and a hundred there as the componant prices drop? It would certainly decrease the buyers remorse for people who buy before the huge cut.

I sound like I'm complaining, but I am mostly curious as to the rationale...It seems inelegant.
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Why do they do this? Why do they wait years to drop the price and then drop it 25%?
By all accounts these monitors have been overpriced for some time now, couldn't they drop a hundred here and a hundred there as the componant prices drop? It would certainly decrease the buyers remorse for people who buy before the huge cut.

I sound like I'm complaining, but I am mostly curious as to the rationale...It seems inelegant.


It's simple:

1) If they can sell more at a high price and thus higher profit margin, more power too them.
2) Technology gets less expensive over time. It is actually cheaper (by how much I don't know) for Apple to produce a 30" LCD this year than 2 years ago.
3) Apple wants to remain competative and pull in new customers whose budget would not allowed for a 30" LCD previously.
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The good news is that the prices on the Canadian store have also dropped. The bad news is that I should have waited a few months to buy my 20 inch display and saved over $200. OUCH.
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It's simple:

But I still don't understand!

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1) If they can sell more at a high price and thus higher profit margin, more power too them.

Of course. But the impression that I get is that they wern't selling them. People--even die-hard Apple zeolots--were buying Dell monitors because Apple's had become so over priced. Apple pretty much confirms this when they drop the price of something that much all at once.

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2) Technology gets less expensive over time. It is actually cheaper (by how much I don't know) for Apple to produce a 30" LCD this year than 2 years ago.

Again, I get it. But why let the price get so out of wack?

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3) Apple wants to remain competative and pull in new customers whose budget would not allowed for a 30" LCD previously.

Amen.
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But I still don't understand!


Of course. But the impression that I get is that they wern't selling them. People--even die-hard Apple zeolots--were buying Dell monitors because Apple's had become so over priced. Apple pretty much confirms this when they drop the price of something that much all at once.


Again, I get it. But why let the price get so out of wack?


Amen.

The reason for the price drop is because probably this week they will roll out new CinemaDisplays with more features (built-in isight, speakers) at the previous prices. Can't very well charge the same for both. Apple just decided to drop the price on these before hand to clear out inventory, otherwise nobody would buy these if the new ones came out at the same time.
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The good news is that the prices on the Canadian store have also dropped. The bad news is that I should have waited a few months to buy my 20 inch display and saved over $200. OUCH.


At least you've had the joy of using your 20-incher for a few months instead of waiting. Besides, now you can buy a MacPro and a 30" display and run them both cheaper than a few months ago!
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At least you've had the joy of using your 20-incher for a few months instead of waiting. Besides, now you can buy a MacPro and a 30" display and run them both cheaper than a few months ago!

Part of the price reduction is probably also because of the increase in value of the Canadian dollar in the last couple of months.
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Originally Posted by Bageljoey

Why do they do this? Why do they wait years to drop the price and then drop it 25%?
By all accounts these monitors have been overpriced for some time now, couldn't they drop a hundred here and a hundred there as the componant prices drop? It would certainly decrease the buyers remorse for people who buy before the huge cut.

It was dropped from $3k to $2.5k at the end of last year. It started out at something like $3299 when first released.

Apple doesn't really seem to do price cuts very often unless the product is updated. Maybe they could do what you suggest but maybe there are retail considerations.
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Damnit!

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Damnit!

Has anyone made backups? I had difficulties with the MacWorld Expo keynote, I wasn't able to watch it until a couple months ago. The streaming video didn't work for either of the two ISPs that I tried, I wish it was just a straight download.
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Has anyone made backups? I had difficulties with the MacWorld Expo keynote, I wasn't able to watch it until a couple months ago. The streaming video didn't work for either of the two ISPs that I tried, I wish it was just a straight download.


here's part of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6JWqllbhXE
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here's part of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6JWqllbhXE

As I said, I've already seen that, but several months after the presentation. I was hoping for the latest WWDC keynote. There are some tiny bits here and there on YouTube, but I don't see the whole presentation.
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here's part of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6JWqllbhXE

no, that was macworld in January. This is WWDC that is happenning right now.
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As I said, I've already seen that, but several months after the presentation. I was hoping for the latest WWDC keynote. There are some bits here and there on YouTube, but I don't see the whole presentation.


oops, maybe I should have read it a little slower.

In a few days I'll download the wwdc keynote and post it on youtube or google videos or something and post the link here.
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The reason for the price drop is because probably this week they will roll out new CinemaDisplays with more features (built-in isight, speakers) at the previous prices. Can't very well charge the same for both. Apple just decided to drop the price on these before hand to clear out inventory, otherwise nobody would buy these if the new ones came out at the same time.

I agree. Integrating iSight into cinema displays seems like the most logical next step for Apple. However, would all Apple displays need to have iSights?
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A nice drop but Apples monitors have never been the best value. HPs L2335 was the Editor's Choice for monitors in its class. It can Pivot from Portrait to Landscape and comes with a 4 port USB hub!

http://www.macworld.com/2005/02/revi...hlcd/index.php

Even Dells UltraSharp 2405FPW is competitive with Apples offering.

http://www.macworld.com/2005/12/revi...0fpw/index.php

The best (or worst depending on how you look at it) part is, even with Apples price drop both are still cheaper than Apples Cinema display.

That's not quite true.

Apple's monitors are the best value when they first come out. But Other makers come out with cheaper models a year or so later, and Apple doesn't lower their prices to match until shortly before they come out with new ones.

So, this could be a prelude.

I'm not so sure about the "new" specs.
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Originally Posted by Bageljoey

Why do they do this? Why do they wait years to drop the price and then drop it 25%?
By all accounts these monitors have been overpriced for some time now, couldn't they drop a hundred here and a hundred there as the componant prices drop? It would certainly decrease the buyers remorse for people who buy before the huge cut.

I sound like I'm complaining, but I am mostly curious as to the rationale...It seems inelegant.

The monitor was $3,000 before.
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oops, maybe I should have read it a little slower.

In a few days I'll download the wwdc keynote and post it on youtube or google videos or something and post the link here.

I'm pretty sure if you are not allowed to do that. It's copyright Apple. you would need permission, which you certainly won't get. Doesn't mean that you won't get away with it, but...
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Apple Computer on Monday enhanced the introduction of its Mac Pro desktops by slashing prices across the aesthetically matching Cinema Display line.

Apple's 30-inch Cinema Display HD model now retails for just $1999, a price cut of $500 from $2499.

Meanwhile, the 23-inch Cinema Display HD saw a $300 reduction from $1299 down to $999.

Finally, Apple shed $100 off the cost of its non-HD 20-inch Cinema Display, bringing the model down to $699.

Keynote stream posted

Apple this afternoon also posted a pre-recorded stream of chief executive Steve Jobs' presentation this morning.

So are we looking at new stuff or what? Lower the price to move the old to make room for new?
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So are we looking at new stuff or what? Lower the price to move the old to make room for new?

Pretty much.
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Why is the audio ahead of the video? Do other people have that problem?
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I'm pretty sure if you are not allowed to do that. It's copyright Apple. you would need permission, which you certainly won't get. Doesn't mean that you won't get away with it, but...

YouTube has so many of the old Apple presentations, I saw the G4 Cube in there. Either Apple hasn't noticed or they don't care.

I think it's my ISP's (or type of internet technology's) fault that I can't play streaming Quicktime (but will do streaming flash, go figure), but still, Apple's keynote feeds are useless for me. It isn't as if I can change ISPs without paying another $300/mo for a different high speed service to get to me, so I'd have to watch an unauthorized version.
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YouTube has so many of the old Apple presentations, I saw the G4 Cube in there. Either Apple hasn't noticed or they don't care.

I think it's my ISP's (or type of internet technology's) fault that I can't play streaming Quicktime (but will do streaming flash, go figure), but still, Apple's keynote feeds are useless for me. It isn't as if I can change ISPs without paying another $300/mo for a different high speed service to get to me, so I'd have to watch an unauthorized version.

I can't understand, for certain, why some people have these problems. The only thing I can think of relates to the same problems VOIP is having with its deteriorating quality. The internet is NOT streaming transmission protocol friendly by nature. It is packet based. Those packets can take any route to you. However, most ISP's, as well as the backbone carriers regard streaming protocols as secondary to data transmission, and so give them lower priority. Thus, packets come in slowly, out of order, or not at all.

With the increasing traffic over the internet, these protocols are being consistently degraded. Some carriers are better than others, depending on their theory about the transmission of different protocols. I have 6Mbs from Covad with a static IP. That helps. I have no problem, even if my wife and daughter are on at the same time. But, Covad has always been good with this, even when they just offered lower speeds.

Apple may not care about some of them (video's) because they gave a lot of them out on CD's over the years. But they might care about a current re-broadcast such as this.

Of course, watching an unauthorized version won't get you in trouble. I was just concerned about someone putting it up though. Apple might not be happy about that person. and when Apple isn't happy...
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Why is the audio ahead of the video? Do other people have that problem?

Yeah, I first noticed it when Scott first took the stage and I think it got worse from there. Pretty funny...

Hey, is that french dude, Bertrand I think his name is, great or what? I wanna see more of him in the future...
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I can't understand, for certain, why some people have these problems.

My service is by satellite, not DSL or cable, which is less friendly to streaming-type data than other Internet services. I really don't have any other high speed option save a T1. I had a T1 line for a while but I couldn't justify keeping it, and the telco was trying to avoid laying in good lines to keep the service reliable.

What I really don't understand is why Apple doesn't offer a straight download, it's less succeptible to service hiccups. I don't think bandwidth is the issue because they seem pretty happy uploading 50+GB files for minor software updates.
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My service is by satellite, not DSL or cable, which is less friendly to streaming-type data than other Internet services. I really don't have any other high speed option save a T1. I had a T1 line for a while but I couldn't justify keeping it, and the telco was trying to avoid laying in good lines to keep the service reliable.

What I really don't understand is why Apple doesn't offer a straight download, it's less succeptible to service hiccups. I don't think bandwidth is the issue because they seem pretty happy uploading 50+GB files for minor software updates.

Sorry for you. Satellite is worse.

Apple offers only the stream, because, as I said before, they don't want people to take it too easily, just to watch it.
If someone wants to though, they can retreive it from the browsers cache before they close the browser.

I know that doesn't help you though.
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Apple offers only the stream, because, as I said before, they don't want people to take it too easily, just to watch it.

That's old media thinking though, something that shows Apple really isn't being progressive about media. It's not a for-profit product and they don't lose anything even if everyone had a direct copy. It's basically a long advertisement, a better way of thinking is to get it out there rather than trying to protect it and control it. If the point was to show off their QT streaming technology, well, it was disappointing even when I had a good internet service.
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That's old media thinking though, something that shows Apple really isn't being progressive about media. It's not a for-profit product and they don't lose anything even if everyone had a direct copy. It's basically a long advertisement, a better way of thinking is to get it out there rather than trying to protect it and control it. If the point was to show off their QT streaming technology, well, it was disappointing even when I had a good internet service.

They simply might no want people to chop it up, and perhaps modify it, and make fun of it.

You know, this really isn't a big think. If it were live, as it was two years ago and earlier, it would be different. But as it isn't, the interest level is much lower. I didn't bother to look at the last one until two or three months afterwards.

Again, the QT technology takes a second seat to the transmission situation of the carriers. with VOIP doing so badly and that's just voice, what can you expect of video?
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They simply might no want people to chop it up, and perhaps modify it, and make fun of it.

You know, this really isn't a big think. If it were live, as it was two years ago and earlier, it would be different. But as it isn't, the interest level is much lower. I didn't bother to look at the last one until two or three months afterwards.

That's an illusion though, for the people that can get it, it is still possible to chop it up, modify and make fun of it but because of the choice of transmission medium, it is degraded for everyone. Personally, I wouldn't care to keep a copy for years, but I would want a good copy to play from as a time-shift rather than hope the stream is stable.
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That's an illusion though, for the people that can get it, it is still possible to chop it up, modify and make fun of it but because of the choice of transmission medium, it is degraded for everyone. Personally, I wouldn't care to keep a copy for years, but I would want a good copy to play from as a time-shift rather than hope the stream is stable.

I didn't say it was impossible. That's why I mentioned that it could be retreived from the browser cache. But, it makes it more difficult.

And Apple can do nothing about the transmission medium itself.
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I didn't say it was impossible. That's why I mentioned that it could be retreived from the browser cache. But, it makes it more difficult.

And Apple can do nothing about the transmission medium itself.

What I'm saying is the people that would bother going the effort to edit the video wouldn't have any problem getting a copy of the video, getting the video is still trivially easy assuming you have the connection. The people that don't care to edit the video aren't going to bother either way. In the end the effect to control it vs. the negative aspect of distributing a video file is practically nil.

Oddly enough, I've never had a problem with Flash streaming, so it would appear that Macromedia has a superior technology in that regard.
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