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I got a flyer in the mail today for the LA DV expo. Listed inside is an Apple Training Day for July 31st with this text "Discover the in's and out's of Shake: the Apple Compositing Solution."
That's one week after the start of Siggraph in San Antonio which is the biggest 3D and compositing show of the year. It would only make sense that Apple would use this venue to make a big announcement about this kind of software... and then start showing it at other events around the country... like LA DV Expo. Wishful thinking???
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Here's my wild prediction. Apple will show Shake running on OSX and will announce that they have purchased Maya. I still think the other shoe is gonna drop on a 3D company before it's all said and done.
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post #3 of 31
Here's my wild prediction. Shake 2.5 will be announced in about 1 minute for Mac OS X.......

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post #4 of 31
JPF...thanks

Apple's offering Double Licenses to Platform switchers. Wonder how that will go over.
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Oh f*ck....Mac version costs half of the Linux/IRIX/Win versions :eek:
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<a href="http://www.apple.com/shake" target="_blank">www.apple.com/shake</a> will do it

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[quote]Originally posted by Leonis:
<strong>Oh f*ck....Mac version costs half of the Linux/IRIX/Win versions :eek: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Sow how does that work. Does the Windows/Irix user get TWO copies of OSX Shake for $5 Gs?
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post #8 of 31
They said those win/irix/linux users can get double licence (two OSX licence I think) for no charge...not too sure...

That really "eliminates" the problem of those PowerMac's outrageously high price.

Shake really require very high power machine(s) to run. Hope we will see some powerful macs coming shortly

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post #9 of 31
This is amazing, they totally screwed the Windows,Linux,and IRIX users (IRIX???)...

This is the greatest thing..."Either use your current NON mac machines and pay 10,000 dolalrs...or use the money you were going to pay, get a Mac and get the Mac version...save some money!"

Also, there is no link to apple.com/shake but there is a link to the press release <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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[quote]Originally posted by Nebagakid:
[QB]This is amazing, they totally screwed the Windows,Linux,and IRIX users (IRIX???)...<hr></blockquote>


Amazingly stupid and petty.
post #11 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by Nebagakid:
<strong>This is amazing, they totally screwed the Windows,Linux,and IRIX users (IRIX???)</strong><hr></blockquote>


not really, the price was 9900$ for those anyway before Apple aquired NothingReal.


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[quote]Originally posted by shannyla:
<strong>Amazingly stupid and petty.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Two things.

1) The price for the Mac version (a new product) is set at half the other versions. The other versions have retained the same price point AFAIK (although the Windows version will be discontinued in time). I fail to see how anyone could critisise Apple for not subsidising their software on competing platforms.

2) $10,000 is not a lot of money for the people who actually are using this product.
post #13 of 31
[quote] (although the Windows version will be discontinued in time) <hr></blockquote>

Already discontinued. The company I work for had 30 licenses of Shake Win2k on yearly renewable licenses. The only os's I can renew on are Linux and Mac.

And the reason its half the cost on Mac is because you'll need twice as many machines to do the same amount of work.
post #14 of 31
[quote] Already discontinued. The company I work for had 30 licenses of Shake Win2k on yearly renewable licenses. The only os's I can renew on are Linux and Mac. <hr></blockquote>

i read somewhere that windows can upgrade to 2.5. you can't buy a new copy for windows but if you have copy you can.
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uh,,, anyone else find it extremely amusing that Shake requires a 800Mhz G4 processor and for the PC side requires a 550Mhz Processor.

some Mhz myth.
post #16 of 31
applenut I think you are on to something here. Is it just me or do programs need a faster Mac than PC? Netscape needs more RAM on a Mac, even Warcraft III has steeper requirements (double the VRAM needed!)

This can mean only two things: Macs are slower, or the programs for the Mac are slower (a result of less optimization because of smaller market share.) Either way it looks pretty bad. Especially bad when Stevie says less Mac mhz beats more PC mhz (and then the numbers are bass ackwards on the box of software.)

Apple MUST have something to run all this new software on, or people will switch the software they are using, not the platform. Apple needs to get the new PowerMac out quick. Yesterday would be preferable. MWSF is waaaaaaaaaay to late.
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post #17 of 31
The only thing he is on to is that the Shake codebase is a virgin one on Mac OS X and heavily unoptimized, while it has had a few years of refinement on x86.

It's a brand new product, a brand new port. I'd expect the Apple version to lag behind a bit.
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post #18 of 31
I hope Apple buys Maya. It's the greatest 3D out there. If apple is ready for Shake, it's ready for the Unlimited version of Maya. But, I don't think Alias/Wavefront can afford to develop it's high end version of Maya without some financial support. The Complete version of Maya is now 4.5, I spoke with their repts. at Macworld, and they're really keyyed up about Apple. It would be a great match, but stronger Macs have to be coming. I have the dual 1g fully loaded, and it's fast with no problems. I don't know what more I will gain, but I'll take it.
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post #19 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by shannyla:
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Already discontinued. The company I work for had 30 licenses of Shake Win2k on yearly renewable licenses. The only os's I can renew on are Linux and Mac.

And the reason its half the cost on Mac is because you'll need twice as many machines to do the same amount of work.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Direct from Apple's web site:

"Shake 2.5 is scheduled to be available in August for Mac OS X, Linux, IRIX and Windows.

To purchase Shake for Linux, IRIX and Windows*, contact the Apple sales team for Shake at sales@nothingreal.com.

*Shake 2.5 for Windows is available to existing Shake 2.46 Windows customers only."

Interesting note, Mac system requirements list a 3-button mouse.
post #20 of 31
Is it just me or does the Shake page look bare, empty and not so exciting? I imagine Apple will update once it is out, and once the new towers come out...
post #21 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by Nebagakid:
<strong>This is amazing, they totally screwed the Windows,Linux,and IRIX users (IRIX???)...

This is the greatest thing..."Either use your current NON mac machines and pay 10,000 dolalrs...or use the money you were going to pay, get a Mac and get the Mac version...save some money!"

Also, there is no link to apple.com/shake but there is a link to the press release <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, totally screws them over! Imagine making them pay the same price they were paying before!n Of all the nerve! This is enough to make me leave the Mac platform!!! <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

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post #22 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>uh,,, anyone else find it extremely amusing that Shake requires a 800Mhz G4 processor and for the PC side requires a 550Mhz Processor.

some Mhz myth.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Could it be that Apple wants the new Mac Shake users to buy a new Power Mac?

What are the specs on the slowest Power Mac G4 that Apple sells?
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post #23 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by pasta:
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Interesting note, Mac system requirements list a 3-button mouse.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ya, I got slightly excited at first but then I thought...what professional using a mac doesn't have a third party mouse? (all you professionals currently using the apple optical mouse need not post...you are the exceptions to the rule damn you. EXCEPTIONS!!!)

 

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[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>uh,,, anyone else find it extremely amusing that Shake requires a 800Mhz G4 processor and for the PC side requires a 550Mhz Processor.

some Mhz myth.</strong><hr></blockquote>
look again under PC system requirements. it states that a "workstation class" graphics card is needed. This explains the difference in requirements. The mac version will run with consumer level graphics cards, while the PC version won't.
post #25 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by shannyla:
<strong>

Already discontinued. The company I work for had 30 licenses of Shake Win2k on yearly renewable licenses. The only os's I can renew on are Linux and Mac.

And the reason its half the cost on Mac is because you'll need twice as many machines to do the same amount of work.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I have it on good authority that the amount of Windows licenses for Shake was/is pathetically small. Seeing as it is an app that runs basically identically on all platforms (apart from performance etc) then what's the problem with switching to Linux?
post #26 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by pesi:
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look again under PC system requirements. it states that a "workstation class" graphics card is needed. This explains the difference in requirements. The mac version will run with consumer level graphics cards, while the PC version won't.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The reason: Apple doesn't sell Power Macs slower than 800 MHz.
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post #27 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by JLL:
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The reason: Apple doesn't sell Power Macs slower than 800 MHz.</strong><hr></blockquote>

yeah, that too.
post #28 of 31
[quote] The only thing he is on to is that the Shake codebase is a virgin one on Mac OS X and heavily unoptimized, while it has had a few years of refinement on x86.

It's a brand new product, a brand new port. I'd expect the Apple version to lag behind a bit. <hr></blockquote>

I know. But it looks bad. Anyhow JLL might have a point (or two)!

[quote] Could it be that Apple wants the new Mac Shake users to buy a new Power Mac?

What are the specs on the slowest Power Mac G4 that Apple sells? <hr></blockquote>

It still looks bad.
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post #29 of 31
[quote] Seeing as it is an app that runs basically identically on all platforms (apart from performance etc) then what's the problem with switching to Linux? <hr></blockquote>

Because the workstations we ran Shake on were our graphics workstations, with Combustion, 3dsmax, Adobe apps and a DPS Reality Video subsystem.

If you can get that running on Linux, I'll give you a job starting Monday morning...
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[quote]Originally posted by shannyla:
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Because the workstations we ran Shake on were our graphics workstations, with Combustion, 3dsmax, Adobe apps and a DPS Reality Video subsystem.

If you can get that running on Linux, I'll give you a job starting Monday morning...</strong><hr></blockquote>


I could do that in a snap, but don't think I'd like the commute. Thanks for the offer though!
post #31 of 31
[quote]Originally posted by shannyla:
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Because the workstations we ran Shake on were our graphics workstations, with Combustion, 3dsmax, Adobe apps and a DPS Reality Video subsystem.

If you can get that running on Linux, I'll give you a job starting Monday morning...</strong><hr></blockquote>

That might be stretching the capabilities of Wine a little I agree. OK so maybe your specific setup needs Windows, but for most places Linux and maybe a little dual-booting is really the way to go.
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