Originally Posted by vinea
And a $1700 conroe mac tower changes that equation how?
The examples thus far have been cheap $350-$600 Dell towers. You guys argue for the $1700 tower but what you really want is that tower to be a heck of a lot closer to $999.
How many folks that can afford a $1700 mac tower can't afford another $400 and get quad core goodness? That last $400 buys a lot of future proofing. And $1700 IS workstation pricing today. The base Dell 690 is $1729. Desktop pricing is $800 less. XPS 400 is $890.
Tell me people wont be whining to the moon if there was a $1700 Conroe mac tower when the equivalent Dell conroe tower is $900.
At best we might get a cube. There's no way that Apple is putting out a $900 tower that will kill iMac sales. There's no way a $1700 conroe workstation will fly when a quad core woodcrest workstation is $400 more.
I'd love a Conroe cube with 1 slot, a 3.5" HD, 4 DIMM slots @ maybe $1500 but I sure don't expect one. The Mac family is complete.
Wheeee! What a flame fest we have going on! This is more fun than a party at The Rib Shack on the Fourth of July! <dons asbestos underpants>
Ok, only got to page 3 (out of 4) of the thread and finally found a post I had to qoute.
There are three very simply solutions to this whole debate:
1: Apple institutes a new Build-to-Order program called YourMac. They allow you to choose your processor, bus speed, memory type and quantity, number of USB, Firewire, ADB, Serial, Parallel and MIDI ports, number of Hard Drive bays, number and size of hard drive, Raid configuration or no, Number and type of optical drives, number of PCIe slots, number and type of PCIe16x slots,Power Supply size, Chasis material, Chasis size, cooling solution, professional artwork for your case (the artist will fly out to your place to confer with you to ensure 100% satisfaction) Display size and whether or not it is integrated, and finally the quantity of pixie dust you'd like to have dispersed into your computer room each hour (the power supply will double as the dispersion device). Then they will stop everything else they are doing, get all their engineers togeather for a giant weekend Beer/Chips/Design party, and build your motherboard and all other components from scratch. If your chosen processor does not yet exist, Steve will use his Reality Distortion Field to coerce Intel (or AMD, if you choose) to also drop everything and build your invincible processor from scratch. This will all be completed by the end of the weekend. Apple will then fly your new YourMac out to you on a specially recommissioned Concord, and pick you up for a tour around the globe at Mach 8 (Steve's the pilot, so he can use his Reality Distortion Field here too) while The Woz teaches you all about your new YourMac, including the facinatingly inticate details of how to play Beethovan's 9th using only the read/write heads on your 800TB RAID4 array. After your tour is complete, Apple will drop you back off at your home and set up your new YourMac, and get you running (that 3 ton tip of Khufu's Pyramid in Giza that Steve and Steve bought for you has to be shipped by boat, so it will come in a few weeks), and you live happily ever after. All for only $1899!
2) You go out to your local University and enroll as a freshman in the Computer Engineering program. Four years later, you graduate, design your own MoBo, including all proprietary parts from a current Mac (so the os will run, of course) and print it out using copper plated breadboard, a laser printer and transparencies. The buy a bunch of 3rd party pc hardware and build your own fully customized CrackMac.
3) You go out to your local University and enroll as a freshman in the Computer Science program. Four years later, you graduate, grab a copy of the current MacOS, spend 30 minutes looking around in it's guts, edit three lines of text, and boot it on your brand new custom configured Dell.
Oh, almost forgot,
4) Go buy a PC and run windows. It's gonna look just like MacOS in a few years anyway.
ok. On a serious note, I myself have a strong desire for an expandable machine, whether it be a desktop or a laptop. Personally, I would go with a MacPro, simply because I love having a demonically fast computer. The reason I want an EXPANDABLE box though, is that I don't want to get a year or two down the road, and see that brand spankin new game, or CAD program, or whatever on the shelf at the local computer store, buy it, and get home only to realize that it runs like carp on my computer. And, yes, I do mean carp. I think people like to be able to spend $300 on a new video card and bring their old computer up to 80-90% of what a new one can do, rather than having to go out and get a whole new box. You DO buy a new monitor every time you get a new iMac. If, because of your lifestyle, you don't have a use for an old computer when you get a new one, then that essentially becomes a waste of money (unless you can find a sucker to buy it from you. ;-D)
I suspect that this sense of economy is where the headless mac (btw, why the heck is it called headless??????) idea is comming from. True: if an iMac can't do it, you probably NEED a MacPro (no, I didn't say that first). However, if your iMac CAN do it now, but in two years it won't be able to anymore due to feature creap, needing to do different things in general, etc, then if you have an iMac, you may very well be foreced to fork over the cost of a new puter. iMacs are for those who know what they are going to be doing, and are going to be doing it for quite a while without much change. (also for those who HATE hassel). MacPro is for those who have a wide variety of things to do and need a lot of power, and whose tasks will likely change in the future. The headless Mac is the phantom that fills the void of those who don't really need a lot of power, but whose computing habbits change often (so, you're setting up a home audio studo next week? What happened to that CNC set up you had? Oh, that was LAST week. I see. So the Photo lab with 64" large format printer is next month then?)
We live, unfortunately, in a world of tradeoffs. That's particularly irritating to me because I tend to be an idealist, but I've had to accept it, and simply figure out exactly what my needs are, and then pick the best solution available at the time. If a better one gets released next week, then I go cry in the bathroom for a few minutes (ok, not really) then suck it up and drive on. Like the time I bought the G3 Wallstreet and had to get the USB cardbus adapter... then the bronze keyboard version with built in USB came out the week later.
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