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Intel Corp. on Monday officially launched its Core 2 Duo mobile platform, spawning the introduction of several Core 2 Duo notebooks from PC manufacturers, but few, if any, are immediately available.

In a formal announcement, the world's largest chip maker said, "More than 200 Intel Centrino Duo mobile technology-based designs from PC manufacturers, resellers and integrators around the world will incorporate the new Intel Core 2 Duo processor (formerly codenamed "Merom") this year."

Notebook makers including Dell, Toshiba and Alienware immediately issued press releases touting their own Core 2 Duo notebook designs. However, most systems are not immediately available.

While Dell said customers can begin to place orders for certain of its XPS and Inspiron notebook models, checks with the company's online store reveal preliminary ship dates of September 19th for all models.

For the most part, Dell is offering default notebook configurations with a 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo processors. Upgrades to 2.16GHz and 2.33GHz vary in price depending on the model from $300 to $700. The company is also offering a low-end 1.86GHz notebook.

"Customers will be able to configure the Inspiron E1505 and E1405 with Intel Core 2 Duo mobile processors later this week, and the Latitude D820, D620, and D520 beginning next week," Dell said.

Lead times for Core 2 Duo notebooks from other the manufacturers are similar. According to Alienware's Web site, its array of Area-51 Core 2 Duo notebooks won't begin shipping until September 12th. Meanwhile, Toshiba -- which introduced a single model -- is telling customers to expect delivery of its Toshiba Qosmio G35-AV660 notebook in 1 to 2 weeks.

Apple Computer, which did not make any Core 2 Duo product announcements on Monday, is still expected to be among the first PC manufacturers to deliver Core 2 Duo "Merom" based systems to customers.

People familiar with the Mac maker's plans have said that they company would be ready to begin shipments of those systems in early September, with recent rumblings (1, 2) suggesting several product announcements post Labor Day.
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I'm glad AI pointed out the ship dates.

Many mac users are whining that apple is "late" with a merom release. As far as I'm concerned, I don't really care when they announce as long as machines actually start *shipping* about the same time as the PC's.

Apple could easily wait two weeks to announce, send out the press release, ship immediately, and still beat the PC's to market.
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The company is also overing a low-end 1.86GHz notebook.

I think you meant "offering".
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I'm hoping they just don't smack the new Core 2 into the existing Mac Book Pro and start calling it a quantum leap or anything. I hope they've taken their time during this year to redesign the motherboard and optimize it all so that it won't be another frying pan hot laptop. Intel is boasting a lot about the low temperature operation, low wattage and stuff, let's hope Apple can match it with the rest of the computer.

And also, I like the existing Mac Book Pro design but I'm still hoping for a redesigned model. There's room for improvements.
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Originally Posted by palegolas

I'm hoping they just don't smack the new Core 2 into the existing Mac Book Pro and start calling it a quantum leap or anything. I hope they've taken their time during this year to redesign the motherboard and optimize it all so that it won't be another frying pan hot laptop. Intel is boasting a lot about the low temperature operation, low wattage and stuff, let's hope Apple can match it with the rest of the computer.

And also, I like the existing Mac Book Pro design but I'm still hoping for a redesigned model. There's room for improvements.

Well the good thing about Intel is they do have a dedicated Mac team so I am sure they are working very closely with Apple to ensure these notebooks will be nothing short of amazing.
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Originally Posted by palegolas

And also, I like the existing Mac Book Pro design but I'm still hoping for a redesigned model. There's room for improvements.

Not that I disagree (there's always room for improvement on every machine), but what suggestions do you have??
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Originally Posted by palegolas

I'm hoping they just don't smack the new Core 2 into the existing Mac Book Pro and start calling it a quantum leap or anything. I hope they've taken their time during this year to redesign the motherboard and optimize it all so that it won't be another frying pan hot laptop. Intel is boasting a lot about the low temperature operation, low wattage and stuff, let's hope Apple can match it with the rest of the computer.

And also, I like the existing Mac Book Pro design but I'm still hoping for a redesigned model. There's room for improvements.

On the contrary, I hope that Apple doesn't delay putting these processors in a new model just because some new cases or layout isn't ready yet. Apple needs to start being more responsive, especially now that they're on a chip architecture that actually gets updated reasonably often.
post #9 of 30
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Originally Posted by minderbinder

I'm glad AI pointed out the ship dates.

Many mac users are whining that apple is "late" with a merom release. As far as I'm concerned, I don't really care when they announce as long as machines actually start *shipping* about the same time as the PC's.

Apple could easily wait two weeks to announce, send out the press release, ship immediately, and still beat the PC's to market.

I don't know about that, a lot of the "late" rumblings that I have read are related more to the lack of the adoption of the Conroe in one of Mac's offerings, whether that is a iMac, Mini or Tower, which should have been shipping by mid August.
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Not that I disagree (there's always room for improvement on every machine), but what suggestions do you have??

Well, they can start with making sure the cooling and whining sounds are 100% fixed.
post #11 of 30
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I don't know about that, a lot of the "late" rumblings that I have read are related more to the lack of the adoption of the Conroe in one of Mac's offerings, whether that is a iMac, Mini or Tower, which should have been shipping by mid August.

Are the conroes shipping in PC's? I thought they weren't out yet either.
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I would just like to mention to people who are thinking that they will be able to upgrade to Merom chips from the older Yonah models (or newer Merom models after they're out) that they will have a fairly short oppertunity to do so.

Of course, I'm talking about the iMac and the Mini, as the Books have soldered in chips.

But only the first generation of Merom chips is socket compatable.

They will be going to a new platform (new socket, new chipset) mid 2007.
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Originally Posted by minderbinder

Are the conroes shipping in PC's? I thought they weren't out yet either.

I don't know that systems using them are shipping, but they were supposed to be shipping by now. In fact when Intel anounced the Core 2 Duo they stated that the chips (Conroe) had already begun shipping to manufacturers, and that was back in July. I do know that the first week in August that Dell was estimating ship dates of around the 11th for a Conroe system.
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Are the conroes shipping in PC's? I thought they weren't out yet either.

I can walk into the local PC shop and buy Conroe CPUs by the dozen. The big box makers like HP and Dell are still flogging a wide variety of previous generation CPUs, but they, unlike Apple, have more than one model in each category and compete in every price range from $299 on up.

I wonder how anyone can really figure out what they're buying in a PC when it's all so complicated. Forgetting all the other factors consider this horrendous list of currently available CPUs: Pentium 4, Pentium D, Pentium D Extreme, Pentium M, Celeron D, Celeron M, CoreDuo, Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Duo Extreme, Core 2 Duo mobile, Xeon, Xeon dual core, Sempron, Athlon 64, Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 FX, Opteron and Turion. AMD's performance factors are supposed to help but a Sempron 3400+ isn't equal to an Athlon 64 3400+ so those numbers just cause more confusion.
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Originally Posted by Bregalad

I can walk into the local PC shop and buy Conroe CPUs by the dozen. The big box makers like HP and Dell are still flogging a wide variety of previous generation CPUs, but they, unlike Apple, have more than one model in each category and compete in every price range from $299 on up.

I wonder how anyone can really figure out what they're buying in a PC when it's all so complicated. Forgetting all the other factors consider this horrendous list of currently available CPUs: Pentium 4, Pentium D, Pentium D Extreme, Pentium M, Celeron D, Celeron M, CoreDuo, Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Duo Extreme, Core 2 Duo mobile, Xeon, Xeon dual core, Sempron, Athlon 64, Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 FX, Opteron and Turion. AMD's performance factors are supposed to help but a Sempron 3400+ isn't equal to an Athlon 64 3400+ so those numbers just cause more confusion.

That's quite true. It used to be here in Appleland, that we had none of this nonsense to deal with. At most, two processor families. with either two or three speeds per familly.

At least Apple doesn't have eight machine lines for desktops, another five for portables, and I'm not sure what the number for servers is, but it's a lot.
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Well, they can start with making sure the cooling and whining sounds are 100% fixed.

Yes, and lets get those new Sony batteries in there as soon as possible!!
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At least Apple doesn't have eight machine lines for desktops, another five for portables, and I'm not sure what the number for servers is, but it's a lot.

As a consumer, you wouldn't like more choices available to you?

Steve
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Originally Posted by jamezog

Not that I disagree (there's always room for improvement on every machine), but what suggestions do you have??

The trackpad could be more responsive
The trackpad button doesn't have the firm "click" that the PowerBook used to have
The upper right area of the keyboard is a little squishy
The remote should be bluetooth and fit in the ExpressCard slot
The single clasp, locking mechanism from the PowerBooks were better.
The iSight should be closer to the screen.
The screen should tilt further back(It would be nice if it could fold back 180 or 360 degrees)
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As a consumer, you wouldn't like more choices available to you?

Steve

When Apple did have more choices, they were soundly knocked over the head about it. It was said that they had so many choices that they were confusing their customers. When Jobs came back, he duely cut the lines to the now well known 2 x 2. One Pro line for desktops and one for laptops. One consumer line for desktops and one for laptops.

I think there is room for more. People are more sophisticated these days. One desktop line between the iMac and the Mac Pro, and perhaps one lightweight notebook line, smaller, and lighter than the MacBooks.
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Originally Posted by melgross

When Apple did have more choices, they were soundly knocked over the head about it. It was said that they had so many choices that they were confusing their customers. When Jobs came back, he duely cut the lines to the now well known 2 x 2. One Pro line for desktops and one for laptops. One consumer line for desktops and one for laptops.

I think there is room for more. People are more sophisticated these days. One desktop line between the iMac and the Mac Pro, and perhaps one lightweight notebook line, smaller, and lighter than the MacBooks.

I would suggest that was a swing from way too many to way too few. To top it off, the prices of those lines haven't changed a whole lot since then despite the rest of the industry getting significantly cheaper. The original iMac was introduced at $1299 base price and that still remains.
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Since most Macs sold are notebooks I would say there should be a third productline.
Instead of yet another desktop computer line

A Conroe Mac Pro will do for the expansionists.
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Originally Posted by gar

Since most Macs sold are notebooks I would say there should be a third productline.
Instead of yet another desktop computer line

A Conroe Mac Pro will do for the expansionists.

Not this again!
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Since most Macs sold are notebooks I would say there should be a third productline.
Instead of yet another desktop computer line

A Conroe Mac Pro will do for the expansionists.

Oh my! Great idea! NOBODY EVER THOUGHT OF THAT BEFORE

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When is labor day?

Sep 4.
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Sep 4.

Thank you! Next tuesday it is then..
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Thank you! Next tuesday it is then..

Sep 5 - iMac with Conroe
Sep 19 - MacBook Pro with Merom
Sep 25 - New iPod nano (now with SanDisk, atleast 8GB of capacity)

so that apple site does repsond properly when the orders fillling in ... hehehe and also with less than two weeks delivery time in all the products.

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Oh my! Great idea! NOBODY EVER THOUGHT OF THAT BEFORE


Yup... Good ideas can't be repeated enough.

And like everybody on this board I believe and know.
No, I feel from the gut that if I repeat myself over and over again even the most stubborn opponent will understand that there might be thruth and a kind of righteousness in what I just repeated.

What ever it was.


Thing...
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Originally Posted by Bregalad

I can walk into the local PC shop and buy Conroe CPUs by the dozen. The big box makers like HP and Dell are still flogging a wide variety of previous generation CPUs, but they, unlike Apple, have more than one model in each category and compete in every price range from $299 on up.

I wonder how anyone can really figure out what they're buying in a PC when it's all so complicated. Forgetting all the other factors consider this horrendous list of currently available CPUs: Pentium 4, Pentium D, Pentium D Extreme, Pentium M, Celeron D, Celeron M, CoreDuo, Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Duo Extreme, Core 2 Duo mobile, Xeon, Xeon dual core, Sempron, Athlon 64, Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 FX, Opteron and Turion. AMD's performance factors are supposed to help but a Sempron 3400+ isn't equal to an Athlon 64 3400+ so those numbers just cause more confusion.

I don't really care that you can buy individual chips. I guess you're saying most of the PC makers aren't shipping conroe machines yet? If that's the case, one can't really blame apple for having them "late".

At this point, there's nothing confusing about the chips Apple is using. Each line generally has one chip, the only exception is the mini and I think most people can figure out the difference between a solo and duo. And I expect that to continue with future models.

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Originally Posted by demenas

As a consumer, you wouldn't like more choices available to you?:???

I'd like to see a midtower between the mini and Pro, but beyond that I think extra models would be redundant.

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I would suggest that was a swing from way too many to way too few. To top it off, the prices of those lines haven't changed a whole lot since then despite the rest of the industry getting significantly cheaper. The original iMac was introduced at $1299 base price and that still remains.

But the specs have gone WAY up on those machines. And PC makers still sell machines in those price ranges, they've just added some stripped down budget machines at lower prices.
post #30 of 30
Minderbinder,


Best Buy and Office Depot are advertising conroe pc systems in their newspaper flyers in my area. Walk in and plunk down $1400 and you can walk out with a core 2 set up, monitor and all.
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