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post #81 of 284
9/6/06 at 8:33am
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Originally Posted by thedonga

the main problem with the 24" panel is it is too bright and cannot be dimmed sufficently for photo work. I think the banding issue in the 2407 was addressed with a driver update.

Can't you wait to actually see the thing before you start whining? Even if they are the same panel Apple always tweaks the specs to their own requirements.
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9/6/06 at 8:34am
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my understanding is that the 7300GT isn't that much better - it's the base Mac Pro card, and was criticized on release.

I've got a 7300 in my Mac Pro -- couldn't wait for the X1900. Anyway, OpenGL performance in 3D apps is shockingly good...OpenGL in Cheetah and Modo just flies -- even Rosetta-emulated SketchUp shows performance on par with my old 6800GT. And native SketchUp (under XP) is amazingly fast. The sort of fast that I thought I'd need to shell out $300 extra to get. Oh, and it's silent.

Now, 3D apps also use the main procs to do some of the heavy lifting: maybe this accounts for some of the speed.

Games will be a different matter -- can't comment there.
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post #83 of 284
9/6/06 at 8:36am
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I guess you didn't read the article or headlines... anyways I'll humor you there Merom

Anyways can anyone tell me how much better the new graphics card on the iMac (NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT and 7600 GT) are compared to the ATI Radeon X1600?

I want that 24" iMac so bad!!!!!!!!!!!! ~drools~



The only one that is saying it's a merom is AI, and they just put it there to back up their previous story. I can find no info at apple, or anywhere else that says all of these iMacs are using one, or either processor in particular.

Even though I do believe it could be a merom, it seems fast for these to be rolling off of the line so quickly if it is.
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post #84 of 284
9/6/06 at 8:37am
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looks like they are using the same panel as the dell 2407? too bad it sucks for photo work...too bright

Isn't the backlight a different component than the panel?
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post #85 of 284
9/6/06 at 8:39am
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Can't you wait to actually see the thing before you start whining? Even if they are the same panel Apple always tweaks the specs to their own requirements.


It's more than that. The pannel itself isn't the problem with DELL. It's the hardware controlling the panel DELL uses. Apple and DELL may use the same screen in their displays, but there are other hardware components in the display that control it than just the screen itself.
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post #86 of 284
9/6/06 at 8:39am
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The only one that is saying it's a merom is AI, and they just put it there to back up their previous story. I can find no info at apple, or anywhere else that says all of these iMacs are using one, or either processor in particular.

Even though I do believe it could be a merom, it seems fast for these to be rolling off of the line so quickly if it is.

The Conroe chips are not offered at the clock speeds that are available in the iMac. The tech specs sheet says 667MHz CPU bus so I think those two combined mean it's a Merom.
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post #87 of 284
9/6/06 at 8:40am
Awesome updates nice to see an all Core 2 Duo lone. The 24" iMac system is a great addition to the Apple line.

Apple will see an amazing response to these new systems. Apple's quarter will kick you know what. I expect a lot of people to purchase thier first Macs this holiday season.
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post #88 of 284
9/6/06 at 8:42am
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FYI - the iPod offer isn't available for the new iMacs.

Yes it is.
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post #89 of 284
9/6/06 at 8:44am
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Originally Posted by ZachPruckowski

I don't get the 3GB either. I've never heard of 768 MB RAM sticks.

That isn't what is in there. If you check the configuration page on Apple's store site, it says the memory is in the form of 1x 2GB and 1x 1GB sticks. I'd like to know how they are getting the 2GB sticks so cheaply, I checked yesterday and 2GB DDR2 SODIMMs were $1300 wherever I looked.
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post #90 of 284
9/6/06 at 8:45am
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I could be wrong, but it seems to me that they put two soldered 512MB sticks in the enclosure.

According to the Apple store, one of the slots takes a 2GB stick, and the other a 1GB.
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post #91 of 284
9/6/06 at 8:58am
Is it me, or do you find it surprising that Apple just announced these "out of the blue" and not at some media event? Sure there were rumors about new iMacs, there always are, but sheesh ..... maybe I'm getting old ...
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post #92 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:03am
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Videotron (Quebec company in Canada)...they offer 20GB download 10GB upload for a certain price per month and then they offer unlimited download/upload for 15 dollars more per month...I know, it's a little stupid but I'm living in a 3rd world country here, cut Canada some slack.

Not to get too far off topic but uh, I'm in Toronto using Bell Sympatico and there is no limit. They had limits for about 6 months (and yes, I got dinged one month pretty bad), but soon removed them (about 2 years ago now).

Anyways, to get back on topic, the 24" iMac looks awesome. Wonder if I can convince my company to take back the 20" 2.0 GHz PPC iMac they got for me a year and a half ago and buy me that one?

Still waiting for the MBP upgrade...
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post #93 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:05am
redison, I'm not surprised. I had deduced that the media event was for either iPods, and iTunes, or for something new. I am predicting something new. And by something new I think (hope) it's our long awaited (Steve Jobs Quote) "We hear you loud, and clear" Product.
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post #94 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:05am
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Oh for god's sake. This really angers me. They must know that the college/university (europe, at least) season approaches like NEXT WEEK, yet they've decided to throw their meroms into desktops? This is completely ridiculous. If there's no MBP by saturday, I'm buying a dell. I doubt there's anyone on such a tight timescale right now as prospective university students, and the majority of those will want a notebook, not a desktop.

BAD MOVE APPLE.

Agreed. This is absurd. There is no reason why they couldn't put the Meroms in the MBP's and stick Conroes in the iMacs. While I won't go buy a Dell, I'm seriously considering buying a used MBP for the interim until Apple gets its ducks in a row.

I've never seen a company buck business norms the way Apple does...

EDIT: Apparently, it's not confirmed that these are Merom based. I'll hold my tongue until further proof is provided.
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post #95 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:08am
Unless they have other intentions for the next iMac line, and/or they have a new product upcoming in the lineup.
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post #96 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:09am
That "means" that next thuesday its bigger than anyone can imagine, cause toss a 24" iMac without bang and wistles over a media event just could lead us to think they really have very good products to show of next 12.
And its freaking nice to see Apple core duo2 products released with a shorter time frame than the others.
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post #97 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:12am
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Agreed. This is absurd. There is no reason why they couldn't put the Meroms in the MBP's and stick Conroes in the iMacs. While I won't go buy a Dell, I'm seriously considering buying a used MBP for the interim until Apple gets its ducks in a row.

This is speculation, but given that both iMac CD and C2D were released just before any notebooks with those chips were released, it may be a special deal to get Meroms that are slightly too hot to fit the rated TDP, say, if it was 40W vs. 35W, but for some other reason might not qualify as a Conroe. An iMac can easily take something that's a little hotter, but notebooks probably cannot.

Maybe the MBPs will be available next week.
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post #98 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:25am
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Originally Posted by WhetWurm

Agreed. This is absurd. There is no reason why they couldn't put the Meroms in the MBP's and stick Conroes in the iMacs. While I won't go buy a Dell, I'm seriously considering buying a used MBP for the interim until Apple gets its ducks in a row.

I've never seen a company buck business norms the way Apple does...

EDIT: Apparently, it's not confirmed that these are Merom based. I'll hold my tongue until further proof is provided.

"I've never seen a company buck business norms the way Apple does..."

The only sensible thing you said.

So let's see:

IBM drops pc's
Dell lossing ground
Intel laying off
HP in trouble
GM on verge of bankruptcy
Ford joining the discontent

But Apple just keeps a growing in innovations, products, sales, service, support, stature…

Thank heavens, that Apple is above the norm.
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post #99 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:28am
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Originally Posted by JeffDM

The Conroe chips are not offered at the clock speeds that are available in the iMac. The tech specs sheet says 667MHz CPU bus so I think those two combined mean it's a Merom.

Plus, the cache sizes match merom, not conroe.

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Agreed. This is absurd. There is no reason why they couldn't put the Meroms in the MBP's and stick Conroes in the iMacs. While I won't go buy a Dell, I'm seriously considering buying a used MBP for the interim until Apple gets its ducks in a row.

There are a couple reasons to use Merom. They don't require a new motherboard, and they run cooler (meaning the fan runs less often making the box quieter). And merom WILL go in the MPB, it will probably just be a matter of days. Don't forget, nobody is shipping merom laptops in quantity yet.
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post #100 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:30am
Are these new iMacs any easier to service than the previous models? Or is Apple screwing over their technicians again?
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post #101 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:34am
Can I hook up my Xbox 360 to the 24"?
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post #102 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by ZachPruckowski

my understanding is that the 7300GT isn't that much better - it's the base Mac Pro card, and was criticized on release.

The 7300 is worse than the X1600 in the last revision, although it'll be fine for most people.
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post #103 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:36am
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"I've never seen a company buck business norms the way Apple does..."

The only sensible thing you said.

And what did I say that was nonsensible? The rest was my opinion. Besides, I edited my post to backdown on my "absurd" comment.

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So let's see:

IBM drops pc's
Dell lossing ground
Intel laying off
HP in trouble
GM on verge of bankruptcy
Ford joining the discontent

But Apple just keeps a growing in innovations, products, sales, service, support, stature…

Thank heavens, that Apple is above the norm.

And those companies are all industry leaders. When you're at the top, there's nowhere else to go but down. Besides, those are recessional market-dependant fluctuations. Apple wishes they had the market penetration that HP and Dell have enjoyed in prior years. I like Apple, but sometimes their paranoia and disjointed decisions irritate me.

Also, thank you JeffDM and minderbender for a well-written response. I see your point. I had forgotten that noone is shipping Merom lappies yet.
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post #104 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:36am
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Is it me, or do you find it surprising that Apple just announced these "out of the blue" and not at some media event? Sure there were rumors about new iMacs, there always are, but sheesh ..... maybe I'm getting old ...

It's surprising, but it's only to support their new movie download service, and whatever else Steve has in store for us next week. I think it's outstanding. Ordering the 24" iMac...

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post #105 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:38am
Guys, it's a Merom. L2 Cache, speeds, and FSB all match.

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There is no reason why they couldn't put the Meroms in the MBP's and stick Conroes in the iMacs.

Sure there is - it's darn quiet. The x1600s in the old iMacs were quiet, and the 7300GT is fanless. Less cooling makes for a near silent home computer. If Apple releases something like an EyeTV Hybrid for Firewire 400, or a Movie Store, they'd clean up. Your living room could be like my apartment - the work computer doubles as a TV/PVR/DVDplayer.
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post #106 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:41am
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Can I hook up my Xbox 360 to the 24"?

There are no inputs on the iMac (any size/model) display, so no.
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post #107 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:42am
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Originally Posted by ZachPruckowski

Guys, it's a Merom. L2 Cache, speeds, and FSB all match.

Why is anybody still arguing this point when it's on the spec speets?
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post #108 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:43am
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Originally Posted by Abster2core

"I've never seen a company buck business norms the way Apple does..."

The only sensible thing you said.

So let's see:

IBM drops pc's
Dell lossing ground
Intel laying off
HP in trouble
GM on verge of bankruptcy
Ford joining the discontent

But Apple just keeps a growing in innovations, products, sales, service, support, stature

Thank heavens, that Apple is above the norm.

Good first post, Abster.

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post #109 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:46am
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Why is anybody still arguing this point when it's on the spec speets?

Which spec sheet would that be?

It's not explicitly stated here:
http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html
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post #110 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:47am
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Dude it ain't just about you, or your beer guzzling dorm buddies. The iMac and mini were hurtin' for an update. Dont' be surprised if MBPs get updated next week. It's been reported that Apple is awaiting a large shipment of product very soon.

I'm not sure that we have "beer guzzling dorm buddies" in England.

Anyway, yes, I wouldn't be surprised if the MBP was to be updated next week. I just find it infuriating that, even if that is the case, they did it this way around. I can't think of a reason why someone wanting an iMac update couldn't wait a week, unless they were in a similar position to myself, but many more students by laptops. I need to have a laptop ordered by the weekend and in-hand by a week friday.

I'm not knocking Apple for it if they've done it for business reasons - if the MBPs are selling just fine without any updates in the college season, and the iMacs needed a kick-start, great. It just sucks for a generally tech-savvy prosumer/student who simply will not buy a notebook only to see it superseded a couple of weeks later.

To be entirely honest, I'll probably buy a Yonah MBP, send it back after 13 days (gotta love the UK distance selling regulations) and get a Merom one in its place. I don't care if I screw Apple about like that.
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post #111 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:52am
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post #112 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:53am
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Which spec sheet would that be?

It's not explicitly stated here:
http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html

But the specs on that sheet don't match up with anything on the Intel Core 2 Duo Desktop processor list here.

The spec sheet mentions 667 MHz bus in the iMac w/Core 2 Duo, and the desktop CPUs (previously known as Conroe) are 800MHz FSB and up. The clock speeds also do not match.

Sorry if it's not explicitly stated, but easily deduced by comparing processor specs with what's in the iMac spec sheet.
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post #113 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:57am
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Sorry if it's not explicitly stated, but easily deduced by comparing processor specs with what's in the iMac spec sheet.

That's the thing, several of us already made that deduction before you made your reply. As such, I thought your post meant that the spec sheet outright said Merom.
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post #114 of 284
9/6/06 at 9:58am
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That's the thing, we already did before you made your reply. I thought your post meant that the spec sheet outright said Merom.

Why would anybody think it's a Conroe in the first place? Doesn't make any sense...
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9/6/06 at 9:58am
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Good first post, Abster.

Thank you. I, probably like you await most anxiously for Tuesday. Realizing that whatever is presented, Apple will continue, thank goodness, to deviate from the norm.
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9/6/06 at 9:59am
I predicted this model bacck in january so once again I'm gonna pat my myself on the back.

A couple days ago I suspected the release of the edu imac on the public so here comes a second pat.

I'm really liking the imac's evolution. I probably don't need a mac pro anymore, I'm gonna get an upgraded macbook pro and in the summer pick up a 24" imac and BOOM I'm good to go.

It is a nice fucking time to me an apple user.

And this means one thing: UPGRADED MACBOOK PROS ON THE 12TH!
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post #117 of 284
9/6/06 at 10:00am
It would make sense for the MacBook Pro to be announced on the 12th with Merom and a Redesigned enclosure. That's a more event worthy product than the iMac and Mini.
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post #118 of 284
9/6/06 at 10:01am
You know, having the 24 inch Vesa mounted on your living room wall would be a superb setup for some people. You could use it like Web TV. Do all your internet/emailing from the couch (maybe have to lower the resolution a bit for that) using the bluetooth keyboard and mouse. But for a majority of people out there who don't need to do a lot of detailed work, it might just be a good solution for them. And then they can activate Front Row to do all their music and movies.
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9/6/06 at 10:04am
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I'm not sure that we have "beer guzzling dorm buddies" in England.

Anyway, yes, I wouldn't be surprised if the MBP was to be updated next week. I just find it infuriating that, even if that is the case, they did it this way around. I can't think of a reason why someone wanting an iMac update couldn't wait a week, unless they were in a similar position to myself, but many more students by laptops. I need to have a laptop ordered by the weekend and in-hand by a week friday.

I'm not knocking Apple for it if they've done it for business reasons - if the MBPs are selling just fine without any updates in the college season, and the iMacs needed a kick-start, great. It just sucks for a generally tech-savvy prosumer/student who simply will not buy a notebook only to see it superseded a couple of weeks later.

To be entirely honest, I'll probably buy a Yonah MBP, send it back after 13 days (gotta love the UK distance selling regulations) and get a Merom one in its place. I don't care if I screw Apple about like that.

Sorry my response was a bit harsh. However it is obvious to many who follow the forums here that an iMac and mini update was desperately needed. Looking at the recent future forum threads bear this out. As for the MBPs, I'm sort of in the same boat as you in that I've waited a while to purchase and am anxious to get one. I will be patient because I would not only like the additional performance of merom (truth be told, it's a little disappointing when compared to yonah) but also hope that Apple fix some niggling issues that have been well documented. A little patience will actually go a long way here IMO.
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9/6/06 at 10:12am
Mutherf*ck!r.

I've always said that a 23" iMac would be ideal as a graphic design workstation - I've been saying it for years and Apple decides to release one a fortnight after I purchase a Mac Pro!

I wonder if my Apple dealer will take back my Mac Pro and give me a 24" iMac?
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