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Apple’s in your den now, right?” said Jobs. “iTunes on a Mac or a PC. Apple’s in your living room with iTV, driving your big flat-screen TV. Apple’s in your car, with over 70 percent of the 2007 model cars offering iPod connectivity.

Apple should license Front Row for the car. The UI when one plugs their iPod in the car. The user experience would be consistent across all platforms.
post #82 of 145
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You do realize that most new TV shows are in High Definition? So to me it's not really "GREAT" for TV Shows that I normally watch in higher resolution than DVD.

Well 90% of the consumer market own and watch standard definition television.

Is it worth it for Apple to pursue the small but growing HD market?
post #83 of 145
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You do realize that most new TV shows are in High Definition? So to me it's not really "GREAT" for TV Shows that I normally watch in higher resolution than DVD.

And HDTV is not so "GREAT" if you're waiting five hours to download the film. I think it's a good compromise for now, esp. when very few people really use HDTV. There's no reason you won't eventually get HD content via iTunes.
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post #84 of 145
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DUH.... I restarted and everythings cool my tunesa are safe itunes 7 is working like a charm.

the missing buttons at the bottom sucks though..

Question.... does the new Imovie purchases play full screen? as in no finder or file menu stuff?

or do we have to buy quicktime pro for that????

screenshots?

I'm pretty sure full screen works just fine from iTunes, but I'm not at my machine right now to test it.
post #85 of 145
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You do realize that most new TV shows are in High Definition? So to me it's not really "GREAT" for TV Shows that I normally watch in higher resolution than DVD.

Steve

I agree. Since I got my plasma HDTV, it is tough to watch regular SD TV. I couldn't imagine having to pay to watch 640x480 on my computer. But maybe this is why the movie studios are so happy to sell movies via iTunes and Amazon - 640x480 or widescreen DVD, at $14.99 either way they get your money.

With HDMI output on iTV, this could potentially compete with Blu-ray and HD-DVD.
post #86 of 145
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Originally Posted by TenoBell

Well 90% of the consumer market own and watch standard definition television.

Is it worth it for Apple to pursue the small but growing HD market?

I bet more than 10% of the iPod / Apple user community have HDTV.

Steve
post #87 of 145
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Originally Posted by TenoBell

Well 90% of the consumer market own and watch standard definition television.

Is it worth it for Apple to pursue the small but growing HD market?

The iTV has HDMI output. They are pursing the HD market. DVD sales are slowing. Would it be worth it for Apple to pursue a market that falls under slowing DVD sales?
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Well 90% of the consumer market own and watch standard definition television.

Is it worth it for Apple to pursue the small but growing HD market?

Isn't that the whole point? 90% of the market buys their DVDs at the bargain bin at Wallmart. If you've got broadband access and money to waste buying a movie off iTunes you're not likely in that same demographic. You are more likely to have HD display or at least considering one. It's about value for the money. Why not just buy a DVD at close to the same cost with better quality, extras and something tangible that could be resold if you get tired of it? I could understand it if the iTV was ready and it allowed you to buy a movie from your couch and start watching it right away. That is not the case however.

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post #89 of 145
DVD sales are not slowing because of resolution. They are slowing because it is a maturing market and the fact there are other options, such as Video On Demand, DVR recorders, Pay Per View, Netflix.
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Why not just buy a DVD at close to the same cost with better quality, extras and something tangible that could be resold if you get tired of it?

Instead of buying an album on iTunes why not buy a CD at close to the same cost with better quality, extras, and something tangible that could be resold if you get tired of it.
post #91 of 145
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Originally Posted by TenoBell

DVD sales are not slowing because of resolution. They are slowing because it is a maturing market and the fact there are other options, such as Video On Demand, DVR recorders, Pay Per View, Netflix.

This makes me think they should have chosen a rental model instead.

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post #92 of 145
I don't think Apple is looking to make much direct profit from iTMS. It seems they want it all to work as easily as possible for themselves and for the consumer. A rental service would require more effort on their part.

Also iTMS itself is a direct competitor to DVD and a reason for slowing sales.
post #93 of 145
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Originally Posted by TenoBell

DVD sales are not slowing because of resolution. They are slowing because it is a maturing market and the fact there are other options, such as Video On Demand, DVR recorders, Pay Per View, Netflix.

But it is slowing and Apple is already in that market competing with the iTunes store. Not to say Apple shouldn't be in this market but rather Apple is already in this market. It should also pursue growing markets though there are lots of obstacles (movie studios, copy protection).
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Originally Posted by TenoBell

Apple should license Front Row for the car. The UI when one plugs their iPod in the car. The user experience would be consistent across all platforms.

People should drive when they drive, not fuddle with their cell phone or ipods.
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Someone explain this "gapless playback" thing to me. My iTunes has always overlapped songs by whatever interval (in seconds) I tell it to.

(disclosure: I do not have iTunes 7 yet)
The issue with GAPLESS playback is different than explained so far...

It is not the Crossfade Playback (in Preferences) that you refer to (in which ending of song is overlaid with beginning of next song).

Gapless playback refers to eliminating the brief pause that often (always?) occurs when playing an encoded album back. On some original albums (CDs), there are no blank silent spaces between music songs/cuts - the music just plays continuously from one song into the next.
Used to be, with older iTunes, if you enconde one of these albums, and play back, you get a brief quiet pause inserted between songs. This pause - the Gap - was not on the original CD, thus the music experience is changed by the abrupt silent gap stuck in there.

So, if Apple implemented it correctly, Gapless playback means you can encode your continuous music album into iTunes, and have it play back with continuous - no Gaps - sound, from one track seamlessly into the next.

Can anyone confirm their experience with this Gapless encoding/playback in iTunes 7?
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yeah, ok.. like your system can reproduce the music the way the artist made it on their million dollar system.. yeah, sure.

Equalisers are about changing the frequency response of your system. Any decent system has a flat frequency response, regardless of price. Cheaper systems, on the whole, lack bass and treble extension.
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post #97 of 145
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It requires you credit card number? Damnit, I wanted to registered just to get covers but not anymore.
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post #99 of 145
I love how iTunes is so UGLY now, i hope this isnt a forshadow for leopard...
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I don't know about all of you, but I've downloaded TV shows from iTunes and have not been happy with the quality, as I'm sure most of you haven't been unless all you watch them on is an iPod. The new video is an improvement, but it's not 1080i of course, or whatever comes after that in years to come. What I'm getting at is since it's the digital age and you don't need a new 8-track, cassette, CD, VHS, DVD, HD-DVD, etc. (which cost money to manufacture) to upgrade to a better looking/sounding format, apple should have negotiated there deals with the music/movie industry so that we can download improved formats for free. Or at least at a very low cost, say 10% of the new formats purchase price just to cover Apples cost to send us the new bits.

I know I hated the transition from cassette to CD, having to pay full price for music I already owned the right to listen to. Apple and digital technology could save us from that going forward if Apple would put there foot down.

Just to add a little to the legal muddle on the subject. If I have "Dark Side of the Moon" on a record album and still posess it, is it illegal for me to download a digital copy for free off the internet? I mean, I already own a "license" to listen to it right? Or if I download a free digital copy of a Hollywood movie that I already own on VHS?

I didn't mean for this post to get to this subject when I started, but the music/movie industry has been sticking it to us for years making us re-buy music/movies that we already have a license to listen to or view, just to upgrade to a better format. I know they had to reprint them in those days on new media and it cost money, but now in the digital age we have done away with that problem. Upgrades for format improvements should be free or for a fraction of the cost of buying them new, as bandwith, server density, etc. comes to bear.

Let me see if I can wrap this up, I have TV shows from before today that I want to be able to upgrade to the new resolution. I say this and mean it, that if Apple doesn't give us a good upgrade path I will never buy another video on iTunes ever again. I know I'm only one person, but you have to start a movement somewhere.

I guess I'm done...comments...flames...agreements hopefully?
post #101 of 145
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I love how iTunes is so UGLY now, i hope this isnt a forshadow for leopard...

I too think it's ugly. Why not head over to my poll and express your displeasure?
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post #102 of 145
What I Love and What I Hate.

Love
Mini-Store to the back shelf!
New iTunes UI (Includding New Views)
Album Art Finder
Music Backup
Movies being Available
Gapless Playback
iPod Games
iPod Nano Ad (Not ness so much the new nano -- the old one was pretty tight)
New iPod Nano Durability
New iPod Nano Thickness
New iPod Shuffle Size (The Shuffle was never meant to be anything other than an exercise MP3 player for those who own videos)
iTV potential for awesomeness

EDIT: I REALLY LOVE THE NEW IPOD INTERFACE. WOW!!

Hate
New iTunes Logo (At least now with the other iLife logos different)
Movies being 640x480 (ok, it's not TERRIBLE)
No iTV now.
No DVR options in iTV
Black Nano is only available in 8GB.
2 GB Nano is only available in silver.
Not sure I like the iPod Nano in Mini Style.
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I'm waiting to receive my new iMac for upgrade to iTunes 7, but I would really like to know now...does this version support transcoding Apple Lossless files to AAC for the iPod (a la Shuffle) for all iPods (or at least the new ones)?

This is my #1 want.
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Coverflow broken on my Windows iTunes 7.0.0.70 (image)

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I love how iTunes is so UGLY now, i hope this isnt a forshadow for leopard...

It is the new look and feel "sand-blasted-metal-dark-burnt-grey" that WILL be in Leopard
post #106 of 145
The new iTunes backup option should allow backing up to a peripheral or network drive. I hate having to burn disks anymore.

Overall, though, I love the new iTunes and all the announcements today!
post #107 of 145
Has anyone else noticed that you ma no longer control the volume with the up and down arrow keys within the mini player?

This is very annoying considering my primary method of controlling iTunes is the arrow keys. Needless to say, I'm pissed
post #108 of 145
WORST CHANGE EVER:

They removed apple-1 as a shortcut to open/close the itunes window. As of now, I can't find a replacement.

HORRIBLE! (at least until spaces arrives in Leopard)
post #109 of 145
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Has anyone else noticed that you ma no longer control the volume with the up and down arrow keys within the mini player?

This is very annoying considering my primary method of controlling iTunes is the arrow keys. Needless to say, I'm pissed


WTF?? You can used the side to side arrow keys for iTunes mini player!!
post #110 of 145
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Originally Posted by icfireball

WTF?? You can used the side to side arrow keys for iTunes mini player!!

yup, but now just use command- arrow keys, works fine.
post #111 of 145
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I think they're just playing with UI ideas for Leopard, so possibly that's how Leopard will look like. Or maybe not. Is it possible anyway to skin your App any way you like it in Xcode including scrollbars?

My thinking is that as MS has co-opted the Aqua look for themselves, in an overstated way, Apple will want to move the look away from it so as to make it look outdated already.

Apple has been refining the Aqua look ever since it first came out. This might be time to make a bolder move.
post #112 of 145
YUP, this happened to me also on my XP box at work (ugh) but a refresh on the movies site cleared it all up.
I was looking on the US site as the Aus site doesn't have the movies link.
Can't wait to get home and upgrade my 20 inch Imac g5 to see what all the fuss is about with the new look.
I like how it looks on the PC as it is distinctly different than ugly XP apps, also like the software update mechanism that was also installed at the same time on the PC

Does anyone know if coverflow on the mac will still work as a standalone app?

Hate having to use a PC at work

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WORST CHANGE EVER:

They removed apple-1 as a shortcut to open/close the itunes window. As of now, I can't find a replacement.

HORRIBLE! (at least until spaces arrives in Leopard)

Ok. Please calm down.

Your options:

1) Click the red x button. When you click on the iTunes icon in the dock, iTunes window will re-appear. Clickcing the red x does not quit iTunes or stop the music.

2) Apple+H hides any application. The windows are preserved as is, just hidden. When you reactive the Application (i.e. by dock or Apple+Tab), the windows are now visible. Another noteworthy thing is that when hiding applications, they are NOT minimized, thus do not appear in the dock (saves space in dock). Some applications (very few but some), namely photoshop, has Apple+H already taken as a keyboard shortcut. To hide photoshop (or any app), click and hold on the App's dock icon until the menu pops open. Select hide.

3) Press green maximize button so iTunes turns into mini player. In iTunes preference you can get mini player to stick to the front. By default it floats in standard order of Apps/Windows.
post #114 of 145
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Originally Posted by demenas

You do realize that most new TV shows are in High Definition? So to me it's not really "GREAT" for TV Shows that I normally watch in higher resolution than DVD.

Steve

It doesn't matter how they are produced. Very few people can watch them in hi def.

Movies are about 2k x 5k, but since when do we get them in that format? They are, at best 720 x 480. widescreen would be 720 x 325.
post #115 of 145
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My thinking is that as MS has co-opted the Aqua look for themselves, in an overstated way, Apple will want to move the look away from it so as to make it look outdated already.

Apple has been refining the Aqua look ever since it first came out. This might be time to make a bolder move.


I think that is why it looks so different on xp, so as to make it stand out as apple software
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post #116 of 145
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yeah, ok.. like your system can reproduce the music the way the artist made it on their million dollar system.. yeah, sure.

Really good home equipment today can be better than studio equipment, because they are not listening over the best speakers.

Monitor speakers are designed to reproduce the midrange peaked, so that they can hear flaws. The listening rooms use pretty good, but not the best equipment, so that they will get an idea as to how it sounds on a very good, but not the best systems. It's always been done that way.
post #117 of 145
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Originally Posted by alexius

yup, but now just use command- arrow keys, works fine.

NO!

You are entirely wrong. Arrows or Comand+Arrows work. Whichever you fancy! Personally I'll takee less key strokes, = only arrows.
post #118 of 145
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Originally Posted by TenoBell

Well 90% of the consumer market own and watch standard definition television.

Is it worth it for Apple to pursue the small but growing HD market?

Sure, in a year or two. Maybe.

In 2009 when all analog broadcasts will cease to exist in this country, maybe.

But not now.
post #119 of 145
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Originally Posted by demenas

I bet more than 10% of the iPod / Apple user community have HDTV.

Steve

So what if it does (and I doubt it, as many owners are kids). Apple is looking to expand their market, not stick to the one they have.

As that happens, it becomes diluted. Just as the computer revolution started out with us geeks, and moved to the general population who doesn't know anything about how their machines work.
post #120 of 145
seems to be a very nice update. they are finally separating the different types of content (at least in the application, still all in "itunes music" on the disc)

the get album artwork function is very nice! currently getting art for all my music, although the "album art not found" with the strange cow is a bit far from slick.....
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