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Apple Computer this week made pre-release versions of its next-generation operating system available to a broader developer audience. Meanwhile, the company is aware of ongoing issues with its latest iTunes release and is working on a solution. And, yes: Apple's AirPort Extreme is becoming increasingly hard to find.

Leopard offered to ADC members

According to several developers, Apple on Monday evening extended copies of Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard Preview to its Apple Developer Connection -- the largest of its registered developer demographic.

The 4.3GB download is reported to be the same build distributed to developers who attended the company's World Wide Developers Conference in early August.

The Universal installer includes support for PowerPC-based (G4 and G5) and Intel Macs. PowerPC G3 support is reportedly omitted from the distribution.

iTunes update in the works

The consensus amongst some early iTunes 7.0 adopters is that the software release -- dubbed by Apple chief executive Steve Jobs as the most significant update to iTunes yet -- is not the company's best work.

Users around the Web and on Apple's support forums are reporting an assortment of quality issues since updating to the new version -- released last week -- such as frequent crashes, poor audio quality and interface graphics anomalies. New gapless playback technology is being blamed for the majority of the bugs.

People with ties to Apple say the Cupertino, Calif.-based company is well aware of the matter and that it's toiling feverishly to rectify the issues. It hopes to release an update to both the Mac and PC versions of the jukebox software -- presumably iTunes 7.0.1 -- as soon as possible, those people say.

Meanwhile, PC users of iTunes 7 are not too thrilled by Apple's decision to make the iTunes installer force application aliases onto the Windows XP Start Menu and Desktop, calling it a "Microsoft move."

"Being pedantically tidy, I have my own 'Utilities' folder in my Start Menu, which I launch apps such as iTunes from," one user told AppleInsider. "Now, when I delete the automatically created iTunes folder from the Start Menu (where I dont want extraneous [stuff]) the iTunes installer runs next time I launch the programme, and not only replaces that, but also put an iTunes application launcher on my squeaky clean desktop!"

(Lack of) AirPort inventory suspicious

As mentioned in our "One more thing" report, Apple resellers are having an incredibly difficult time locating AirPort Express wireless base stations for their customers. The company's primary distributer in the United States has been slack of inventory for weeks and now the Apple online store is also listing no availability of the Extreme base station until mid-November.

Admittedly, we're not quite sure what's going on here. Though anything is possible, it's incredibly unlikely that Apple would update its wirless devices to the still unratified 802.11n wireless standard. According to the IEEE 802.11 Working Group Project Timelines, 802.11n is not due for final approval until July 2007.
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"The consensus amongst most early iTunes 7.0 adopters"

Most? Seems like some guesswork or hyberbole may be at work

I've had no problems. Maybe because I'm not using YouControl ITunes, which seems to be in need of an update for iTunes 7. I have processed all my songs for gapless, though.

But I know others HAVE had problems, and I'll be glad for an Apple update to prevent them.

Re aliases on Windows: bad move. How annoying!
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I have had no problems with iTunes 7.0 but my father said the music, CD and radio, sounded like it was being sung underwater so he had to quit and restart iTunes. The only complaint I have is there isn't a Music Video library like there is for audiobooks and podcasts, probably because they are considered to be music. I really like the new UI on the Mac, but the Windows version does not look as good because the buttons at the bottom are very dark.
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oh, I hope they get rid of the ugly scroll bars in the new iTunes and go back to a more aqua look.
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I've never heard of a legit application that automatically replaces deleted aliases like that on every use. I call that a no-no. I don't even like how Quicktime installs a tray and launch bar icon every time there is an upgrade.

The alternative views (album view & Cover Flow) are disabled in the Podcast section, which is unfortunate, because it works fine in my Podcasts smart playlist.
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Personally I'm really pleased with iTunes 7 and Im using on an old G3 iMac.

I was more disappointed with the bugginess of Tiger compared to Panther, and the interface of iPhoto 6 which I just cant't get used to.
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I updated a couple of hours after the release and everything seems to be working fine except for the "Get Album Artwork" feature. I right click a particular song and tell it to get the artwork and then nothing happens. Kinda weird, but I've been using the Amazon Album Art Widget and iTunes Cool for a while now for artwork and lyrics so it's not a show stopper for me. I'm pleased with the look of the update ... looks a lot like the Pro Apps, althougha lighter flat blue might have looked better than the grey scheme they've adopted.

All in all, not a bad update to iTunes, just needs some tweaking to make me thrilled again.
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Originally Posted by AgNuke1707

everything seems to be working fine except for the "Get Album Artwork" feature. I right click a particular song and tell it to get the artwork and then nothing happens.

It only fetches artwork for songs it can find in the iTunes Store.
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And, it's picky. I had an issue (since seemingly fixed on the server end), where characters such as '[' and ']' were causing the process to hang completely. Other people have reported that not only the artist and album need to match, but so did the *release year*. ie, rereleases didn't match. I had that problem too, but it has since found a lot of artwork, so I think they loosened that restriction as well.
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post #10 of 74
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Originally Posted by nufase

oh, I hope they get rid of the ugly scroll bars in the new iTunes and go back to a more aqua look.

I agree. Or at least, if metal is now going to have no glass, make ALL metal apps that way! One metal theme, one white glass theme. Not a dozen Where's that attention to detail?

I would hope for excellent UI consistency in Leopard, along with res-independence... but I notice that iTunes 7 is NOT res-independent at all, even when you enable Tiger's hidden scaling ability. Some things in Tiger (like some buttons in Finder) ARE res-independent, so I had hoped iTunes 7 would show some of that too.

PS, some tech notes on iTunes 7 issues:
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...ge=1&pagePos=1
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Well, one thing to remember is that iTunes is rather a platform in and of itself now. It's not a Mac app, it's not a Windows app, it's THE iPod app. Asking it to look and feel just like another Mac app is rather like asking it to look and feel just like another Windows app on the PC side. I mean sure, they *could* do that, but keeping one unified UI makes the brand stronger. Also, it gives potential switchers a taste of the Mac UI. Sort of. Eh, hopefully enough.

Anyway, it doesn't surprise me that the iTunes UI is a bit... different. It has to fit in in MacOS X, and XP, and look like it's ready for Vista. Given all of that, I don't think it's horrible.
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"Being pedantically tidy, I have my own 'Utilities' folder in my Start Menu, which I launch apps such as iTunes from," one user told AppleInsider. "Now, when I delete the automatically created iTunes folder from the Start Menu (where I don’t want extraneous [stuff]) the iTunes installer runs next time I launch the programme, and not only replaces that, but also put an iTunes application launcher on my squeaky clean desktop!"

That is the fastest way to go from great software to crapware in an instant. I cant beleive that Apple would be that fucking idiotic! that cant possibly be right, and if it is, someone needs to be fired!

What they really need to do if FIX COVER ART SCROLLING in windows...that is absolutly pathetic!
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I want to know if a Student ADC membership will allow me to download the preivew of OS 10.5, I really really want to try that software out.


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It's a shame some of the US-based Mac sites didn't pick up on the failing Airport Express story a little quicker. Apple may have reacted better if they had some pressure coming from closer to home.

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of AX owners whose protests have been totally ignored over the past year or so. They could have done with the likes of Appleinsider getting involved in looking into why so many AXs were croaking just out of warranty.
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Originally Posted by iGrant

I want to know if a Student ADC membership will allow me to download the preivew of OS 10.5, I really really want to try that software out.

No. Student ADC members get no pre-release software. But you *do* get a free copy (or several) when it ships.
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Would there be any chance of them trying to beat Microsoft out with Leopord before Vista?
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squeaky clean desktop

What does that suppose to mean, a squeaky clean desktop? Anyway.
Btw, no probs at all both on an older G3 iMac and a not too old PB12".
Personally i like that implementation of cover flow, but i don't like
how it behaves sometimes. Example: If i have selected Music by Genre
(with classic iTunes GUI on), say, Jazz, and i switch on Cover Flow mode, i'd expect
to browse through all Jazz Albums, instead Cover flow presents the
entire library. This can't be a feature.
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It's an old joke: they're just making the lives of Windows users even more miserable (iTunes "untidiness")
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Anyway, it doesn't surprise me that the iTunes UI is a bit... different. It has to fit in in MacOS X, and XP, and look like it's ready for Vista. Given all of that, I don't think it's horrible.

I installed iTunes 7.0 on Vista today just to see if it would work and it does, mostly. I imported the same CD into both WMP and iTunes and the sound quality was better in iTunes. The only problem I saw was the music video was very choppy, but I think it has more to do with QuickTime that iTunes. The iTunes UI is still the solid gray color, but the preferences window got the aero glass effect.
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What does that suppose to mean, a squeaky clean desktop? Anyway...

I believe the writer was referring to her/his Microsoft Windows desktop.
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iTunes 7 is a complete disaster.
My G5 is steaming to an Airport Express box, which in turn is hooked up to my $3000 Paradigm speakers.
I played the same audio files from version 7 and 6, and there is quite a big difference. In iTunes 7, there is hissing and background noise, not to mention very sharp and piercing bursts in the high (tweeter) range. EQ on both is set to flat.

The gapless playback seems to work for some albums, but not others.
One huge gripe I have with cover flow, is that even with a dual 2ghz G5 with 4.5 gigs of ram and an ATI X800 card, if i don't flip very slowly, i get the music icon before the art appears. And my cover art is small (from Allmusic.com).

Also, there is no way to go to current song when in Cover flow or Album views. Thats really annoying and not thought out at all.

I like the new look thou.

However, while I can live with the Cover flow and other small annoyances, having crappy audio is not an option.

Oh, I should also add, that on my $400 desktop speakers, I can't really notice any distortion from iTunes 7. So it is a subtle flaw.

I've read from Windows users too that they have found one fix, to go to the new Quicktime and reset the audio from 24bit back down to 16bit audio. When I checked, my settings were normal, so it's not that issue on the Mac.

Bad release from Apple... but the first one in a while.
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What does that suppose to mean, a squeaky clean desktop?

Hey, this is Windows. That means you need to use Windex with ammonia-D to get them squeaky clean. It'll be even better when Vista brings Glass to the mix.
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When I have no apps open, there is nothing on my desktop but my desktop background. As in, NOTHING, not even the menubar or dock. It's indistinguishable from a screensaver and is amazing for reducing clutter.
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I don't know what some of you guys are talking about.
On my PC almost everthing works great. Cover Flow works... iTunes does not add a shortcut to my desktop everytime I start it, or in my Program Files bar.
The music sounds the same as w/iTunes 6...
The only weird thing is that the apple logo is blurry in the beginning of the visualizer.
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I played the same audio files from version 7 and 6, and there is quite a big difference. In iTunes 7, there is hissing and background noise, not to mention very sharp and piercing bursts in the high (tweeter) range. EQ on both is set to flat.

Ah... that explains a lot. My headphones were causing all kinds of distortion in iTunes 6 so I sent off to get them replaced. When the new ones arrived, they were still distorting but iTunes 7 had come out, so that could be why.
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Originally Posted by scottie924

Would there be any chance of them trying to beat Microsoft out with Leopord before Vista?

I sure hope so, I am willing to bet that they will have it out sooner than steve said, it would make a nice xmas present. .... those previews are making me drool ....

As for Vista I expect there to be more delays so you may be right

-Robert
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I really don't expect Leopard until Jan MacWorld at the earliest. Two reasons:
a. The Xmas quarter will be great financially without Leopard's added revenue.
b. Jobs will want to preview the rest of it at MacWorld to get the biggest buzz and free coverage.
c. Even if it is feature complete, Apple can use the time to squeeze out more bugs - as we see right now in iTunes 7, and tune it further for the hardware.

That said, I have had no problems whatsoever with iTunes 7 on either a PC or a Mac for music, podcasts, or video. I'm not using AirTunes though. And I don't mind the it being on my desktop or in the tray.
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I've had no problems with iTunes 7, but I didn't follow the instructions. I'm still using QT 7.1.2. Then again I exercise very few iTunes features because I have very little album art, no movies, no TV shows, no podcasts and no purchased music. I don't even have an iTMS ID because I have no intention of paying for compressed music and I'm not in the US so I can't buy TV or movie content.

I'm not surprised to see the AirPort Express disappearing from shelves. Thousands of them failed shortly out of warranty and I've yet to meet anyone who didn't have problems getting AirTunes or their printer to work reliably. Add the proliferation of all-in-one (printer/scanner/fax) units that lose their scanning and fax capability when connected to an Express and you've got an expensive wireless router with no support for wired clients and a shorter lifespan than the $50 competition. I worked for an Apple Reseller for two years. The AirPort Express was a hot seller among single people and those with money to burn. However, almost every family and small business owner who ever walked into the store wanted to mix wired and wireless computers. AirPort (Express or the hideously expensive Extreme) was a complete non starter for them.
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Actually, many companies are rolling out 802.11n products before the standard is approved.

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[QUOTE=mark2005]I really don't expect Leopard until Jan MacWorld at the earliest. Two reasons:
a. The Xmas quarter will be great financially without Leopard's added revenue.
b. Jobs will want to preview the rest of it at MacWorld to get the biggest buzz and free coverage.
c. Even if it is feature complete, Apple can use the time to squeeze out more bugs - as we see right now in iTunes 7, and tune it further for the hardware.

That makes sense, but we can wish ........
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Actually, many companies are rolling out 802.11n products before the standard is approved.

They are not "n" products, they are "pre-n" or "draft-n" because the standard can still change. There's a chance that the Wi-Fi alliance certification could get it completely wrong.
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Originally Posted by nufase

oh, I hope they get rid of the ugly scroll bars in the new iTunes and go back to a more aqua look.

I agree. For a company so fastidious about interface guidelines, why does the Finder, Safari, and iTunes all look different??

Regarding iTunes 7 performance, I have had several occasions where the app fails to launch citing that there is "insufficient memory" --- but nothing else it running. A move to Trash and reinstall restores it.
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I agree. For a company so fastidious about interface guidelines, why does the Finder, Safari, and iTunes all look different??

Regarding iTunes 7 performance, I have had several occasions where the app fails to launch citing that there is "insufficient memory" --- but nothing else it running. A move to Trash and reinstall restores it.

Unfortunately, there are at least three "themes" for programs in OS X, but they aren't system-wide themes, and only through third party software can you fix that. Aqua, Brushed Metal and Unified are the themes in OS X that I am aware of. iTunes used to be Unified, though maybe it is an advancement of Unified without changing any of the other Unified programs.
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I installed iTunes 7.0 on Vista today just to see if it would work and it does, mostly. I imported the same CD into both WMP and iTunes and the sound quality was better in iTunes. The only problem I saw was the music video was very choppy, but I think it has more to do with QuickTime that iTunes. The iTunes UI is still the solid gray color, but the preferences window got the aero glass effect.

Do you have Sound Enhancer checked in iTunes preferences? I wonder how many people think to check this preference. It can sweeten your music or cause a mess if misapplied, like EQ settings. And is there an equivalent in WMP to make a comparison, if the cd was ripped at the same bitrate, etc.?

I'd LOVE to have Sound Enhancer and EQ settings extended to any audio being played in Tiger or Leopard. Would help in boosting/enhancing the sound from my EyeTV software.

Anyone at Apple listening?
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Also, there is no way to go to current song when in Cover flow or Album views.

What? Of course there is. It's the same as it always has been. File > Show Current Song.
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I really don't expect Leopard until Jan MacWorld at the earliest. Two reasons:
a. The Xmas quarter will be great financially without Leopard's added revenue.
b. Jobs will want to preview the rest of it at MacWorld to get the biggest buzz and free coverage.
c. Even if it is feature complete, Apple can use the time to squeeze out more bugs - as we see right now in iTunes 7, and tune it further for the hardware.

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That makes sense, but we can wish ........

Aren't we forgetting that Apple has now officially said "Spring 2007" for the launch, up from the previously assumed January? This thing is, if anything, being pushed back, not forward.

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iTunes used to be Unified, though maybe it is an advancement of Unified without changing any of the other Unified programs.

iTunes was never Unified; Unified didn't even exist until Tiger came out, at which time iTunes was still brushed metal. I hope the current iTunes theme, whatever you'd call it (Boxy Metal, Dark Metal..) doesn't start to leak into other programs. It's ok for a media player I suppose (everyone HAS to have their media apps all customized looking these days), but it's too dark and dingy for the rest of the OS. I also hope one of these days they abandon the green faux-LCD display in the middle. Even the nanos are in color already! Sheesh
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I have ripped several "collection" CDs, where the artist is individually identified in each track.

The first thing I noticed after upgrading iTunes was that a separate CD cover shows up in the "flip" view for each Album/Artist combination. For one CD in particular, that adds up to 20-plus CD covers scattered throughout the collection, each refering a different track on the same album. Yuck!
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I have ripped several "collection" CDs, where the artist is individually identified in each track.

The first thing I noticed after upgrading iTunes was that a separate CD cover shows up in the "flip" view for each Album/Artist combination. For one CD in particular, that adds up to 20-plus CD covers scattered throughout the collection, each refering a different track on the same album. Yuck!

What you need is the "album artist" field. Sort the list by album, then select an entire compilation album. Now do a get-info, tick the box next to "album artist" and enter something like "various artists". Now the CD will be shown as one instead of several in the "flip" view.

You will also find that if you have two or more albums of the same name by different artists, "flip" view will list tracks from each album alternately. Again, the "album artist" field will solve the problem.
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I agree. For a company so fastidious about interface guidelines



Apple used to be fastidious about interface guidelines. But all that and their supposed "attention to detail" went out the window with OS X. I'm waiting for it to return, but I fear that it may never do so.
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Apple used to be fastidious about interface guidelines. But all that and their supposed "attention to detail" went out the window with OS X. I'm waiting for it to return, but I fear that it may never do so.

I think they are still very serious about interface guidelines. By and large.
iTunes is a little bit the exception of this. Someone in this
thread (can't remember who) mentioned, that iTunes is a bit different,
because this app will emerge into a media store app, (which it is
already a bit nowaday). I second that view. So iTunes have have to be different, in order
to show its particular purpose (managing and buying stuff from the IMS).
What a pity Apple just haven't found out the final form. They are still experimenting,
so what.

I don't think that i.e. iTunes and Finder have to be similar
in appearance. Why? They feed completely different purposes.
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