Originally Posted by Marvin
So you're saying that you have a mental disorder?
Do you think you need help?
If so, how are you going to go about finding it and what do you think that will achieve?
I appreciate your concern, but this is certainly not the right place to discuss that.
I'm not saying it's true in all cases, I am saying that it is true in some cases so people shouldn't immediately judge anyone who tries to commit suicide as being messed up,
I just don't think that a person can both be entirely sane yet have serious thoughts about committing suicide. Here's a few scenarios:
1) the person has had a shocking experience recently, or subconsciously (or increasingly consciously) is reminded of one in the distant past, perhaps even the childhood: a trauma. Be it an accident, a relative's death, a friend's death, etc. They could be confused into thinking their life was rendered worthless. However, this counts as "being messed up".
2) the person has a near-irreparable illness; chances of recovery are slim, and there's lots of pain to endure. This would most likely not result in suicide; if anything, it would be euthanasia.
I cannot, however, think of a case where there are such thoughts, yet no degree of "being messed up". People might not realize their trauma, or their confusion; they might not think things through as clearly as they believe they do. But for someone to be completely healthy, sane and stable, yet believe they should commit suicide? Nope, sorry; I don't think it's possible. Sounds contradictory to me. This is *not* me bashing people who consider suicide (I would be attacking myself!). I am merely trying to establish that I, after hours of contemplating this, and discussing it with friends as well, cannot think of such a scenario.
though I realise that has a very loose definition and indeed if you view suicide as wrong
I think "wrong" is a too vague term. A better one might be "stupid". You are given an opportunity. Why waste it? Is there nothing at all that makes you happy any more? Looking at the sunshine? Playing a game? Watching a movie? Hanging out with old friends? Getting entertained? And if there is, even the slightest bit of positiveness, isn't that alone worth just living one day more?
then trying to commit it by definition would be messed up. Because I don't personally view suicide as wrong, I don't consider it an irrational or messed up thing to do. In many cases, I would consider not committing suicide to be the irrational thing to do.
I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on that, but I'm still curious about possible scenarios for that.
I should note, however, that applying "rational" or "irrational" to life doesn't work for me in the least. Nothing at all about life is logical/rational. It's completely driven by randomness, emotion and irrationality.