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So let me get this straight. You guys would have them bring everything to a grinding halt over this issue right now? That's what this sounds like.

I would have the stand their ground and do what people want them to do. If Bush and the GOP want to bring things to a grinding halt, that's on them.

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Now if they did that how do you think it would affect other things? Like say oh the economy?

I think that would be on Bush and the GOP's heads.

People don't like Bush.
People don't like the war.
People don't trust the GOP on security.

Being afraid that Ann Coulter will say something mean is no excuse for being a bunch of ball-less cowardsor, worse, a bunch of Machiavellian assholes who want to campaign on the war rather than campaigning on ending the war.

Nick is absolutely right. This is about growing a pair.
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So let me get this straight. You guys would have them bring everything to a grinding halt over this issue right now? That's what this sounds like.

Well according to the Democratic rhetoric, the alternative is more senseless death for a war we can't win and shouldn't have been involved with in the first place.

Bringing everything to a stop to deal with that is a good thing right?

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Now if they did that how do you think it would affect other things? Like say oh the economy?

Well most things go on their merry way because they are not paid in such small increments. However certain things shut down and those who want the shut down tend to make them the most annoying things first to make the point hit home. IE you will not be visiting a National Park while blood is being spilled. No immigration paperwork, visas, passports, etc. will be processed until the bills get signed. The shutdown can be made to only involved nonessential but annoying services.

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Also do you think Bush would give in?

Who knows... but total abdication while claiming they can't govern while being the majority is just ridiculous. How long do you think anyone will buy the "we are the majority but we can't govern in any fashion on anything" line?

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Shit, it's even easier than that. They can apparently just put a hold on something and lock it up forever.

But you're right. Those far-left commies who control the Democratic party, like Pelosi and Lieberman, are scared.

Lieberman has no real power in the party. It's people like Lieberman that are pariahs. Pelosi and Reid are lefty loosies, but they are also not totally stupid. They know that the left is not big enough to win nationally, so they need a good portion of the center too. That's really their problem, and they know it. It's why they oppose the war but vote for funding. It's why many in their party voted for it and then against it and then for it again. It's why Bush is a liar and the surge will never work, but we'll still pay for it.

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Ok. I've been waiting for someone to bring this up again.

If you were the democratic congress what exactly would you do to stop Bush and this war???

If I wanted to end the war, I would get my caucus together and pass a resolution pulling all funding and demanding the troops come home. Or I'd just cut off the funds by attrition. They tried to "change direction" with Bush and he said no, so they had to decide whether they would go to war with him, or not. They chose not too. It's ironic really, they want to fight Bush the same way they want to fight in Iraq...half-heartedly. If you're going to have a political battle with George Bush, you better play to win, as opposed to playing not to lose. That's what they've been doing...playing not to lose. And when you do that with Bush (30% approval or not), you get your ass handed to you.

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SDW. We keep hearing " Scared ". Of what exactly are they scared?

Any takers?

They are scared of the center and being seen as anti-troop. The power base of the Democratic party is the hard left, but they know they need the center for 2008. It was those people that put them over the top because of GOP scandals, Iraq, etc. At the same time they have to be sufficiently anti-war to pacify their core base. It's a little like the Republican divide between fiscal and evangelical conservatives. The thing those two groups are more easily melded than are the hard left and center on the Dem side.

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So let me get this straight. You guys would have them bring everything to a grinding halt over this issue right now? That's what this sounds like.

Now if they did that how do you think it would affect other things? Like say oh the economy?

Also do you think Bush would give in?

Why is it that you believe the economy and government fiscal policy are one in the same? If they bring all spending to a halt, which midwinter is not suggesting they do, it's still not going to destroy the economy, at least not in the short term.

And really, this is all a new tact for you, isn't it? Now the poor dems don't know what to do. I mean, what could anyone do against that moron George Bush! A new day, a new excuse.
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Ok. None of you addressed what might happen to the rest of the big picture if the democrats brought things lto a grinding halt over the war. Now I know SDW thinks the economy isn't that bad ( I feel so much safer ) but I think the economy is already on the edge of a recession right now. Also I think the republicans would blame the democrats for it. The thing is it would affect us all. With gas prices and the housing market the way it is this might not be a picnic. Compared to last time it might be really bad. I know it's not very ethical to withhold this power for the sake of votes but that's not the only thing that might be affected. So here we are between a rock and a hard place.

Also there really is a difference between the democrats and republicans. If the republicans get in there again be prepared for more wars like Iraq in the name of freedom or whatever excuse they have for securing the oil in the region. We need to turn things around from the way they've been for the last 7 years. The democrats might not be saints but compared the what the republicans ( which I might remind you have been busy supporting the president on these things at every turn ) would surely have in store for our country They are a step in the right direction. After we have someone else in the Whitehouse and starting turning things around then we can talk about changing the fundamentals of how we elect a leader. Until then be prepared for more of the same.
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Lieberman has no real power in the party. It's people like Lieberman that are pariahs. Pelosi and Reid are lefty loosies, but they are also not totally stupid. They know that the left is not big enough to win nationally, so they need a good portion of the center too. That's really their problem, and they know it. It's why they oppose the war but vote for funding. It's why many in their party voted for it and then against it and then for it again. It's why Bush is a liar and the surge will never work, but we'll still pay for it.



If I wanted to end the war, I would get my caucus together and pass a resolution pulling all funding and demanding the troops come home. Or I'd just cut off the funds by attrition. They tried to "change direction" with Bush and he said no, so they had to decide whether they would go to war with him, or not. They chose not too. It's ironic really, they want to fight Bush the same way they want to fight in Iraq...half-heartedly. If you're going to have a political battle with George Bush, you better play to win, as opposed to playing not to lose. That's what they've been doing...playing not to lose. And when you do that with Bush (30% approval or not), you get your ass handed to you.



They are scared of the center and being seen as anti-troop. The power base of the Democratic party is the hard left, but they know they need the center for 2008. It was those people that put them over the top because of GOP scandals, Iraq, etc. At the same time they have to be sufficiently anti-war to pacify their core base. It's a little like the Republican divide between fiscal and evangelical conservatives. The thing those two groups are more easily melded than are the hard left and center on the Dem side.



Why is it that you believe the economy and government fiscal policy are one in the same? If they bring all spending to a halt, which midwinter is not suggesting they do, it's still not going to destroy the economy, at least not in the short term.

And really, this is all a new tact for you, isn't it? Now the poor dems don't know what to do. I mean, what could anyone do against that moron George Bush! A new day, a new excuse.

SDW. Smaller things than this have sent a fragile economy in to a downspin. I know you think things aren't so bad. Well I hope your right because I think things are on the edge.

And please you don't want them to end the war. All we've gotten from your side is the usual rhetoric like " Why don't they grow a pair ". Nothing about what could be really done and not have consequences for everyone.

Ps. If you want to talk about " a new day a new excuse " we could talk about all the people who've fallen on their sword taking the blame for George Bush.
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Palin is sooooo RIGHT!
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Eight years of gaZoline raining down on the Republicans, vote McPalin if you want to see a four year nonstop downpour of gaZoline rain down on the American people.
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post #288 of 302
Wow. I feel like I never left now.

The reason you see the Reps resorting to such sad and pathetic lows right now is because they're desperate to win this next election because it may be the last one in a while. They had to impose John Bush McCain a wacko fundie VP candidate to get the wacko fundie base excited to stand a chance.

The country's changing. The demographics are changing. The younger generations are more diverse and thus more tolerant and progressive. The numbers don't lie.
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post #290 of 302
And the Mississipi ballot:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/opinion/11thu1.html

 

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post #291 of 302
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And the Mississipi ballot:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/opinion/11thu1.html

Yeah, I've been watching this unfold locally.

How does Musgrove counter the ballot placement issue? Vote for me, I'm in last place on the bottom of your ballot.

I think the election results could be challanged in court simply by looking at the voting results from the two concurrent Senate races here in MS versus the POTUS results.
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Eight years of gaZoline raining down on the Republicans, vote McPalin if you want to see a four year nonstop downpour of gaZoline rain down on the American people.

Well here we are! down to the election wire and the bad guys are still pulling the wool over the public's eyes. Unfortunately what you've said about Mcsame and the Snowbilly are true. She's just a gimmick to get in to office but could become the president given the right situation.

The shameless nature of their tactics this year should be enough of an illustration of what you can expect from another of their wonderful administrations. Yet there are still people out there who are voting for them but if you question them it's a little hazy as to why.

A couple of things give me hope however. The polls show a tight race but the electoral college is way ahead for Obama ( the same thing that got Dubya elected ) and the republicans are more on fire than ever ( even more so with Palin ) and it's still raining gasoline.

I'm guessing some stuff about Palin has yet to be uncovered to hit the newstands.

It should be interesting to watch. I think it's funny though that this is the best the republicans can come up with? The ploy with Palin is so transparent. It's shameless.
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post #293 of 302
What I don't understand is the support Palin gets from the so-called "fiscal Republicans".

Take Nick and SDW, for instance. They love Palin to death. I don't get it, because they're always talking about how they are against taxes (she raised taxes) and against government spending and earmarks (she is the queen of debt spending and a champion of earmarks). It's all a bit too shallow.

It seems to me that the reason the hard-core Ditto-head type Republicans love Palin so much is because she pisses the Liberals off so much. I could be wrong, but doesn't it seem that they ABSOLUTELY LOVE playing the partisan political game? Anything they can do to stick it to the Democrats, they just eat up, even a terrible, terrible, unqualified, hypocritical, tax and spend Vice Presidential candidate.

And it is this kind of partisan play that is the very gasoline that is destroying the party. They will gladly put Palin in if it gives them a chance of winning, never, ever looking at the final disaster if in fact that happens.
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What I don't understand is the support Palin gets from the so-called "fiscal Republicans".

Take Nick and SDW, for instance. They love Palin to death. I don't get it, because they're always talking about how they are against taxes (she raised taxes) and against government spending and earmarks (she is the queen of debt spending and a champion of earmarks). It's all a bit too shallow.

It seems to me that the reason the hard-core Ditto-head type Republicans love Palin so much is because she pisses the Liberals off so much. I could be wrong, but doesn't it seem that they ABSOLUTELY LOVE playing the partisan political game? Anything they can do to stick it to the Democrats, they just eat up, even a terrible, terrible, unqualified, hypocritical, tax and spend Vice Presidential candidate.

And it is this kind of partisan play that is the very gasoline that is destroying the party. They will gladly put Palin in if it gives them a chance of winning, never, ever looking at the final disaster if in fact that happens.

Well said. It's all about winning right now with the republicans because they are poised to lose their complete grip on Washington DC for the first time in many years. Desperate is the word I would use.

But after 8 years of Bush what did they expect?
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post #295 of 302
Kill and drill.
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The fundamental business of the country, that is production and distribution of commodities, is on a sound and prosperous basis.

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Any lack of confidence in the economic future of the United States is foolish.

The gaZoline flood gates have failed so badly that the Republicans are no longer in flames.

Because they are now drowning in a vast ocean of flaming gaZoline.

Drill, spill, kill, grill, still nill.

Bump.
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What I don't understand is the support Palin gets from the so-called "fiscal Republicans".

Take Nick and SDW, for instance. They love Palin to death. I don't get it, because they're always talking about how they are against taxes (she raised taxes) and against government spending and earmarks (she is the queen of debt spending and a champion of earmarks). It's all a bit too shallow.

It seems to me that the reason the hard-core Ditto-head type Republicans love Palin so much is because she pisses the Liberals off so much. I could be wrong, but doesn't it seem that they ABSOLUTELY LOVE playing the partisan political game? Anything they can do to stick it to the Democrats, they just eat up, even a terrible, terrible, unqualified, hypocritical, tax and spend Vice Presidential candidate.

And it is this kind of partisan play that is the very gasoline that is destroying the party. They will gladly put Palin in if it gives them a chance of winning, never, ever looking at the final disaster if in fact that happens.

Speaking only for myself, I do enjoy liberals going batshit over Palin. But that's just a happy side effect. I happen to think Palin is a credible individual. She's intelligent and she's experienced enough for the job. I agree with her on most issues. I like her general approach as well. She comes across as a very "real" individual. Sure, she's a politician, but so are all the rest.

By the way, support this:

She raised taxes. (note: not all tax increases are bad IMO).

"queen of debt spending (whatever that means) and champion of earmarks"
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post #298 of 302
How is she "real"?


She used her daughter to protect herself.

That they are having the baby trumps the wrong that she was pregnant in the first place.

She promotes the killing of wolves, with a bounty.

She cares more about money than the environment.

She made rape victims pay for their own tests.

Her "home-run" speech was obviously not hers (watch videos of her speaking and it is a different person).

She repeats the same stump speech each time (plus or minus a bit to fit the home crowd).

She gives canned answers to questions.

She doesn't have answers for other, very important questions for a VP.

She will not take questions from anybody, especially the evil liberal media. Deference is required for the queen.

She switches her position when it is politically beneficial to herself.

She shares official email with her husband. (If I shared my company's email with my wife, I would be fired instantly and sued out of existence.)

She puts gag orders on everybody.

She is currently flip-flopping again: after once trying to be open about the Troopergate, she is now trying to block the investigation.

She is allowing herself to be used by the campaign.

There are plenty more.


Not real person to me. A hollow, fake, selfish person with only one goal in heart: the top, at any cost. That she is playing along with the current charade only shows how little she truly cares for the country, much less the world.

She may or may not be a good leader; we have not been able to see enough of her. What we do find doesn't look good.

 

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post #299 of 302
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She comes across as a very "real" individual.

Not necessarily with you, as I know you might be different, but normally I'd attribute such ideas to the following translation: She doesn't intimidate you because she's not more intelligent or more successful than you are...

Whereas Obama is uppity and elitist (translation: intelligent and successful).
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Actually I don't see her as particularly ambitious here... I think she's perfectly happy as Gov Babe. She's just going along with the flow right now.
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I think she's perfectly happy as Gov Babe.

Oh my god!!! I couldn't stop laughing about that one.

Ok, funny stuff aside, I don't think she is all that credible as a VP. A VP should be able to stand on their own two legs, handle questions thrown their way, and act in a respectable way. She doesn't cut the mustard at all in any of those fronts.

And CDW, I truly respect your opinion (especially all things Mac), but "She comes across as a very "real" individual"?? Seriously? I think we have had enough of the kind of people we mant to have a beer with. Have we not learned from the past 8 years that for a President (or even VP) we need exceptional, not common?

However, all that being aside, I have two major grievances with her policies: Roe v. Wade and Creationism.

Roe v. Wade: She has actually said she wants to repeal that. I am sorry, but the policy of "life begins at inceptions" is bullocks. If we want a real, clinical viewpoint of pregnancy, a baby in the fetus is nothing more than a parasite. (Yes, I am a father, BTW.) It lives because the mother lives. Besides, what is better, a dead parasite, or an unwanted child? While I don't like ANY answer; I have to put my money on the first one, because the parasite will grow into a person, and that person will have to live the rest of their lives knowing they were unwanted. As much as I love adoption as an alternative, that adoption system is already overloaded, and it doesn't need yet more children to care for.

Creationism: Ok, where do I begin? Since the Religious Right (mind you, I now feel that is separate from true Republicans) wants to classify it as a "science", then it has to adhere to the same standards that other sciences do. Namely, the Scientific Method. Every science has to go through this same process, so why do the proponents of Creationism or Intelligent Design insist it is above that same method? The only "proof" of it is in the Christian Bible, which does not classify itself as a scientific document. Scientists have always held firm to the ideals that Science and Religion can never mix (Science is based off from proof, Religion is based off from faith). Her belief that this ought to be given the same weight as Evolution, or any other Science, is almost laughable.

Those, to me at least, are to major reasons why she would make a lousy VP. And don't get me started about McCain, that man has gone over the deep end.

Note: I voted for McCain for Senator twice. Senator McCain even gave me an American Flag when I received my Eagle Scout award. So it pains me to say that about him, but I must call a spade a spade.
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This is why I would not want Palin running our country.

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