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post #41 of 90
A dual layer notebook DVD burner is $40, yet the MBP's don't have them.

Some posters around here question the purchasing decisions of others, yet if the forthcoming MBP is significantly improved, why would someone drop $2500 on last year's model?

It's not about just a chip drop-in, it's about a redesign of the existing issues. If the PC side are delivering at cheap cost, then this is what Apple needs to perform against. In the iPod world, they seem to over deliver -- it certainly should be true in the computing space, too.
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Why do NEED core 2? It's nice and all but it's not like core duo won't do everything core 2 will do only about 10% slower. The best reason to wait for new MBPs is so if Appple makes the standard configuration better, say 1 gb ram standard, or they drop the prices alittle. Maybe both although that would be asking a lot.

I need every little thing I can get with the work that I do. The biggest thing is the ram issue, double the ram in a MBP would help out a lot. Plus forgetting what people think they know on these boards, a 64 bit chip is a lot better for audio recording, instead of 32 dots per wave cycle, 64 bit chips can put...64, and it sounds that much closer to analog recording - textbook. Now say the program as to support it...Nuendo, and the new Cubase, so stop telling me it's not gonna do anything lol, you don't know sh!t, I've asked many teachers, engineers, sound designers, producers, and looked in textbooks. The interface does have something to do with it, but....ok I went off a little.

Back to the topic, the C2D has a lot of little things that when put together, help people like me out, graphics wise, and audio wise. If I have to goto Sony, I'll goto Sony, but waiting any longer is just insane. I need a laptop and I need it now. So we'll see what happens tomorrow...
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post #43 of 90
Since Apple hasn't released a Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro, I went out to Best Buy and bought a toaster with a Core 2 Duo in it. Sorry Apple, you lost my business.
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Since Apple hasn't released a Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro, I went out to Best Buy and bought a toaster with a Core 2 Duo in it. Sorry Apple, you lost my business.

everytime you flip that lid open, you'll think, what a POS....shoulda waited for the fruit.
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post #45 of 90
Apple has taken too long and I couldnt wait any longer...

I ordered a Dell M90 Precision workstation laptop 2.33 Ghz w/ 4 gig Ram native 1920 X1200 resolution with the awesome quadro FX GO2500 video card and 100 Gig 7200 rpm HD.

IT FLIES.
post #46 of 90
Is that a $6,000 computer you just bought?
Or did you bought your 4 gig Ram somewhere else?
In which case you still spend about $3,500 on a ugly, almost 4kg heavy desktop replacement.

For the same price I would have opted for an 24" iMac and a MacBook.
(or waited a couple of weeks for the MacBook Pro revB)
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post #47 of 90
So, basically it looks like we've got a bunch of Windows guys in here bitching about a Mac's release date when they really have ZERO intention on running OSX.

Now it makes sense why someone would buy a Vaio or Dell over a Mac. They just want the sexy hardware but throw the baby out with the bathwater by running Windows on it.

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post #48 of 90
Unless I'm confused by Dell's website it looks like that notebook doesn't ship until October 20th.
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Originally Posted by JHolko

Apple has taken too long and I couldnt wait any longer...

I ordered a Dell M90 Precision workstation laptop 2.33 Ghz w/ 4 gig Ram native 1920 X1200 resolution with the awesome quadro FX GO2500 video card and 100 Gig 7200 rpm HD.

IT FLIES.

"It flies"? So it already arrived and you already got to use it?
post #50 of 90
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Unless I'm confused by Dell's website it looks like that notebook doesn't ship until October 20th.

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post #51 of 90
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I've been with Apple since the Mac Plus and can't recall being so flustered waiting on a release. I even found myself sinning the other day when I went on to Dell's site to see what they had to offer, of course I came running back, but for a moment there...





no... bad.



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post #52 of 90
i am struggling to comprehend the lack of patience in so many ppl these days...

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i am struggling to comprehend the lack of patience in so many ppl these days...

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"Struggling"? You must be trying too hard. You must also be extremely happy with your present machine.
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"Struggling"? You must be trying too hard. You must also be extremely happy with your present machine.

yes, my g4 pismo is going great! particularly the dual layer dvd burner. and it is running FCP 4.5 & dvdsp 4 with no problems. great keyboard (better than the Al pb/mbp one, i reckon) and nice for playing dvds as well. although i do have to admit that i don't have to rely on it for work, so i don't get too impatient waiting for encodes and renders. i'll prob upgrade in 12-18 months, when HD hardware and software are out.

anyway, i would have thought that anyone wanting the core 2 duo for its 64 bit-ness would wait til 10.5 is released so you don't have to pay for the OS on top of the machine. the c2d will come when it comes, no point getting your knickers in a knot over something you can't control...

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post #55 of 90
What is frustrating is the fact that those of us that want to purchase a pro laptop from Apple are left with no sensible options right now. Apple's current line of MBP's are so overpriced it's rediculous. Those kind of specs are nowhere near worth what they are offering them for. Granted, they are solidly built, stylish machines but they simply are not worth the same prices they were going for six months ago.

I sold my MBP 1.83 a month ago in anticipation of Apple introducing Core 2 Duo's so I could retain some of the value before they were depreciated. Now I am stuck using my PC desktop in need of a laptop. Anyone who would pay full price for Apple's current line of MBP's are getting ripped off. I love Apple, but it is obvious they are trying to milk these units for every last penny from those foolish enough to pay the high prices for a machine that is going to lose close to half of its value over the next three months.
post #56 of 90
I'm at a loss. Should I be planning on buying the iPhone in January, or would I be better served waiting for the flash based, touch screen, solar powered, gps enabled Video iPhone Pro when it comes out right after?

Damn that Steve Jobs for making me wait so long! If he'd just listen to me, he'd be rich.
post #57 of 90
My neighbor just got his Dell Core 2 Duo notebook. It is one fat notebook computer. But it does have a higher resolution than my MBP CD 2 Ghz. I think he has a 16:10 ratio screen because Windows can't coe up with a nice media bar like Apple when watching a movie.

Either way, Dell seems to be the only major player shipping C2D in notebooks right now. I bet there has been a shortage and your biggest customer gets first dibs.


I ant to add that my neighbor bascially got a MBP C2D from Dell for $700-$800 less than the lowend MBP. I couldn't really argue with that.
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post #58 of 90
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I ant to add that my neighbor bascially got a MBP C2D from Dell for $700-$800 less than the lowend MBP. I couldn't really argue with that.

I can argue. Because I was unaware that the new "MBP Dells" could run OS X. It's not always about the hardware...

So your friend bought his "MBP Dell" for $1200? Can you show me the link to a 15.4 inch notebook on Dell that compares? According to Dell's website, the only "MBP C2D" notebooks they offer are the 12.1 inch, 17 inch, and 20 inch models. If he bought the 12 incher, that would explain why he only paid $1344.
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post #59 of 90
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What is frustrating is the fact that those of us that want to purchase a pro laptop from Apple are left with no sensible options right now. Apple's current line of MBP's are so overpriced it's rediculous. Those kind of specs are nowhere near worth what they are offering them for.

Boy is the quality of this forum just sinking lower and lower.
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How come most people complaining here seem to have less than 30 posts?
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Originally Posted by Shadow Slayer 26

How come most people complaining here seem to have less than 30 posts?

rofl.


hey wait a second....
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I can argue. Because I was unaware that the new "MBP Dells" could run OS X. It's not always about the hardware...

So your friend bought his "MBP Dell" for $1200? Can you show me the link to a 15.4 inch notebook on Dell that compares? According to Dell's website, the only "MBP C2D" notebooks they offer are the 12.1 inch, 17 inch, and 20 inch models. If he bought the 12 incher, that would explain why he only paid $1344.

probably one of the business machines, D820. I had one of those here at work, its 'just ok'. fat, ugly, badly designed, funky video card, virtualization turned off by default, no bluetooth, no isight, terrible port placement, very bad wireless g reception (not joking). Its just a plastic hunk o crap with a nice chip in it. The one I'm describing here cost my company $1890 with a mega discount, shipped, with 2gb ram.
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How come most people complaining here seem to have less than 30 posts?

What does that really have to do with anything? What are you 10 years old and those #'s actually mean something to you, get a life. I was simply stating that I'd rather wait until January and see if something newer comes since MWSF is just around the corner. Giving them my cash now would just be rediculous, for me. I was also curious to see how many others felt the same way. This is an open forum isn't it? Was my post against the rules? If so then have me banned. If not then move on.
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post #64 of 90
Simmer down now, Tony. Simmer down...
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post #65 of 90
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What does that really have to do with anything? What are you 10 years old and those #'s actually mean something to you, get a life. I was simply stating that I'd rather wait until January and see if something newer comes since MWSF is just around the corner. Giving them my cash now would just be rediculous, for me. I was also curious to see how many others felt the same way. This is an open forum isn't it? Was my post against the rules? If so then have me banned. If not then move on.

No actually I'm saying that it could be very likely that you are new to Apple, and therefore arn't used to the pace that Apple sets. Sure this is a slightly drawn out wait for most Apple fans, but compared to recent Windows switcher it could seem like a lifetime.

And why do you think I was implying what I said to you? Really I have just been noticing a lot of new folks who seem to complain more than they contribute. And since this is an open forum than shouldn't I be able to say what I said as well?
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And why do you think I was implying what I said to you? Really I have just been noticing a lot of new folks who seem to complain more than they contribute. And since this is an open forum than shouldn't I be able to say what I said as well?

Did seem an interesting observation of no necessary significance, but interesting, like the wobble in Mercury's orbit, or the fact that meson-baryon scattering is not totally predictable. Could mean nothing, could, like those other observations, mean something. It doesn't have to mean it's "postal" profiling (God forbid! Can't we all just get along!?), just seemed like an interesting observation. I actually went back and looked at everyone's post #'s because of it.
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Did seem an interesting observation of no necessary significance, but interesting, like the wobble in Mercury's orbit, or the fact that meson-baryon scattering is not totally predictable. Could mean nothing, could, like those other observations, mean something. It doesn't have to mean it's "postal" profiling (God forbid! Can't we all just get along!?), just seemed like an interesting observation. I actually went back and looked at everyone's post #'s because of it.

Yah that's one of the reasons I said it. It was just a little random pattern that I had noticed and felt like saying. Probably has very little significance, or it could be the answer to the meaning of life I didn't really mean it to offend anyone, but also I wanted to point out that many of the people copmlaining the loudest about the wait of the MBP (hey I want it too, but just have some patience people) are the people that could be new to Apple's way of life.
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No actually I'm saying that it could be very likely that you are new to Apple,

Not so good of an assumption since I've owned most desktops that Apple's put out since the Mac Plus. My first and only laptop so far is a Pismo, so maybe I'm not used to the pace of their laptops.

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Sure this is a slightly drawn out wait for most Apple fans

Exactly why Apple fans including myself are currently frustrated. I just want the most that my money can buy and the new release seems to be ---><---- this close. As far as Dell, Sony, etc. they simply aren't options to me and others it seems.

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but compared to recent Windows switcher it could seem like a lifetime.

Seems like a lifetime to me too, a non-switcher.

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And why do you think I was implying what I said to you?

Ummm, because my post count is so close to 30 and because I initiated this thread.

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Really I have just been noticing a lot of new folks who seem to complain more than they contribute...And since this is an open forum than shouldn't I be able to say what I said as well?

Fine consider it a complaint because it is. As far as contributing I'll agree that I could give more along with agreeing with you that this is an open forum for all along with your comments. It just seems to me that the ones that think that they're putting there foot down, on particular threads, usually aren't the admins on most boards.

This wasn't intended to start any trouble and I won't go on about it, you just caught me at just the right, err wrong time. All's good though
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post #69 of 90
All good points tony but if we can just agree that it was not the best move on my part just to stop this argument from further poisening this thread?
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All good points tony but if we can just agree that it was not the best move on my part just to stop this argument from further poisening this thread?

This will be my second post and I'll complain all I want unless a moderator (which you do not appear to be one Shadow) steps in and tells me I am violating forum policy. I am not complaining about these forums.

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest about who loves Apple more or who has owned more macs. I will simply state I am not an Apple noob. My points are valid. If Taco Bell wants to criticize what I said, how about some worthy argument instead of an insult? Apple's current line of MBP's are overpriced. Plain and simple. The MBP's are good machines, but they are not worth $1999 given their current specifications. If you buy one now, you are getting ripped off unless you do not mind paying a premium for an OS and some style.

I am hurting without my Mac right now. That doesn't mean I am going to lose money and buy an overpriced machine. I can wait. A PC laptop is not an option for me.
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This will be my second post and I'll complain all I want unless a moderator (which you do not appear to be one Shadow) steps in and tells me I am violating forum policy. I am not complaining about these forums.

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest about who loves Apple more or who has owned more macs. I will simply state I am not an Apple noob. My points are valid. If Taco Bell wants to criticize what I said, how about some worthy argument instead of an insult? Apple's current line of MBP's are overpriced. Plain and simple. The MBP's are good machines, but they are not worth $1999 given their current specifications. If you buy one now, you are getting ripped off unless you do not mind paying a premium for an OS and some style.

I am hurting without my Mac right now. That doesn't mean I am going to lose money and buy an overpriced machine. I can wait. A PC laptop is not an option for me.

Ummm I think you guys are taking this a bit in the wrong way...I never said you violated forum policy. I'm not saying you should buy a MBP now, I'm also not saying that everyone with a low post count is new to Apples, though most of them most likely are new to Apple.

The last part, about hte PC not being an option for you, is what im fine with. It is the people that are saying "If i don't get a slightly updated Merom MBP than I'm going to Dell!!!" are the ones that are starting to get on my nerves.
post #73 of 90
hmm, i think some ppl seem to have forgotten the bad ol' days c. g4 500mhz, the wait for the core 2 duo is hardly of that proportion.

battles, whilst i understand your frustration, rather than so vehemently blaming apple perhaps you should consider that you were a tad premature selling your mbp?

Guybrush Threepwood: roflmao!!

it'll come when it comes, and i'm sure it'll be a great machine (tho' i'm even surer some ppl still won't be happy!)

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All good points tony but if we can just agree that it was not the best move on my part just to stop this argument from further poisening this thread?

That's cool.

And just to let you know, I'll never sell my soul to the Dellvil or Windoze at that matter as long as Steve doesn't do that for us, sometimes I wonder what the long term plan is.
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post #75 of 90
Man, we're getting impatient AND grumpy! Apple, release the MBP C2D before somebody goes postal!
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If Taco Bell wants to criticize what I said...

A kid in the 6th grade used to called me that. I was in the 6th grade twenty one years ago just to let you know how original it is.

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Apple's current line of MBP's are overpriced. Plain and simple. The MBP's are good machines, but they are not worth $1999 given their current specifications.

Why don't you begin by telling us of a laptop that is the same size, same weight, and has the same specifications of the MBP and is cheaper. I cannot find one.
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Why don't you begin by telling us of a laptop that is the same size, same weight, and has the same specifications of the MBP and is cheaper. I cannot find one.

Yeah, so far everyone's been raving about Apple's great pound-per-pound on these things. And, of course, you get OS X and extremely great styling, which does count for a lot in the world.
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post #78 of 90
I don't care what you guys consider fact and even care less about those non excisting Windows notebooks you insist to compare Apples MBP with.

I'll sit on my money and wait a couple of weeks for the Core2Duo MBP.
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I don't care what you guys consider fact and even care less about those non excisting Windows notebooks you insist to compare Apples MBP with.

I'll sit on my money and wait a couple of weeks for the Core2Duo MBP.

I'm sitting on my money to, but those aren't non-existing windows notebooks.
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My non-existing windows notebooks comment, (you're right, English is not my core language) was a reply on this post:
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Why don't you begin by telling us of a laptop that is the same size, same weight, and has the same specifications of the MBP and is cheaper. I cannot find one.
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