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Originally Posted by Marvin

Leopard should be enough on its own, although since we're not getting to know much of what's in it, my interest is fading somewhat.

Apple just posted this new Leopard developers page http://developer.apple.com/leopard/overview/

Some pretty neat stuff there:
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OpenGL Improvements

OpenGL is the industry-standard API for developing portable, interactive 2D and 3D applications. Mac OS X has supported OpenGL from the outset and in Leopard it supports the latest OpenGL 2.1 specification which adds pixel buffer objects, color managed texture images in the sRGB color space, and improvements in the shader programming API.

Leopard also provides a dramatic increase in OpenGL performance by offloading CPU-based processing onto another thread which can then run on a separate CPU core feeding the GPU. This can increase, or in some cases, even double the performance of OpenGL-based applications.

OS Foundations

The heart of Mac OS X, the Open Source Mach- and BSD-based UNIX layer known as Darwin, continues to see improvements in Leopard. The latest Mac hardware brings more processing power, more cores, and more memory than ever before. The kernel in Leopard has been updated to take advantage of this new hardware.

Leopard certainly wont be UNIX in name only. Apple will submit Leopard and Leopard Server to The Open Group for certification against the UNIX 03 product standard.

Security Enhancements

Leopard brings several new security enhancements to Mac OS X. The first of these is the adoption of the Mandatory Access Control (MAC) framework. This framework, original developed for TrustedBSD, provides a fine-grained security architecture for controlling the execution of processes at the kernel level. This enables sandboxing support in Leopard. By sandboxing an application, using a text profile, you can limit an application to being able to just access only the system features, such as disk or the network, that you permit.

Also new in Leopard is code signing. This means that Leopard will be able to identify applications by using digital signatures and then use that identification to base trust decisions on.

I can't wait for Leopard... but on the other hand I hope its not released before Spring or before it's ready like some people here (I'm saying it in general btw)
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Man, I guess you really have to watch what you say here about Apple (if negative in any way) lest you want non-sensical posts slagging you off in an infantile manner.
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Originally Posted by Mr. H

It's O.K., there aren't that many people who want it to happen. As I said, I'm unsure about it, on balance it's probably better to leave the MacBook Pro keyboard as it is.

Have you actually used a MacBook keyboard for any length of time? It's not that bad.

Can't say I'e used them for an extended period of time but have tried them both out on several occasions in the Apple stores. They both are nice. I didn't think that I would like the MB keyboard but after trying it out I found that I did like it. But I like the MBP keyboard better. Better feel and backlit feature just better IMO.
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Also of note is the Product pages on the store have changed. The new design puts the information in a rounded gradient box with a grey-blue over box, new font size and colors for specs, the select buttons from the new iPod nano pages have been extended, and now the product images are selected rather than displayed over the products info. I like the new look, and it is good news that apple is working on the website design and may give insight into the color choices and UI concepts that will be in Leopard.

Thoughts?
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I thought I was going to be able to come on this list and say finally the bellyaching is over about this machine. But it continues.

Even though in some cases higher spec components are available Apple made some smart compromises to preserve cost, size, weight, heat, battery life.

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I think the performance of the 160GB 5400RPM drive is going to be close enough to that of the 100GB 7200RPM drive to make it not noticeable, simply because of the drastically increased areal density. The 160GB drive is probably the current sweet spot for capacity and performance.

A great point. 7200 drives produce more heat and drain the battery faster. A larger 5400 is the better compromise.

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BTW, what the hell is up with 3 Gig of ram??? couldn't they have done an even 4 like every other computer manufacturer in the world?

Honestly who here is going to pay $2500 for 4GB of RAM in a laptop? You are not getting very much more for a much greater price.

Who is even going to pay $575 for 3GB? The price difference is enough to make 3GB the better value.
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Originally Posted by backtomac

Don't know. Some prices went down. The 2.0 ghz with 512 RAM and 80 gb hd went to $1499. I think they were $1699. It's a no brainer to me. I ordered the 2.16 ghz C2D and upped the RAM to 2gb. Anxious for it's arrival.

While not as jealous of you as I thought I'd be when the upgrade to the MBP came (I've been preparing mentally for a while, like when they released the new iMac and my desktop wasn't top of the heap anymore) I hope it gets to you nice and quickly!
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The 3gb ram issues tells me that this is possibly the same board as in the new iMacs. If so this will really help with supply chain issues. Also I am interested to see if Windows recognizes the same Broadcom wireless "N" wireless chipset as in the iMac. It will certainly be telling if it has it in it as well.

Also Resolution Independence:
Resolution Independence
The old assumption that displays are 72dpi has been rendered obsolete by advances in display technology. Macs now ship with displays that sport displays with native resolutions of 100dpi or better. Furthermore, the number of pixels per inch will continue to increase dramatically over the next few years. This will make displays crisper and smoother, but it also means that interfaces that are pixel-based will shrink to the point of being unusable. The solution is to remove the 72dpi assumption that has been the norm. In Leopard, the system, including the Carbon and Cocoa frameworks, will be able to draw user interface elements using a scale factor. This will let the user interface maintain the same physical size while gaining resolution and crispness from high dpi displays.
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Originally Posted by JeffDM

That looks like the new wireless mouse. I thought the old wireless mouse had a clear upper shell. If there is already a second package design for the wireless Mighty Mouse, then that's pretty quick.

The new Wireless Mighty Mouse box looks exactly like the Mighty Mouse box, with the text Wireless in the front center top in black with a black box. Both wireless models have opaque shells to hide the machinery and the battery pack from view.

I just thought it was interesting, why is an old Wireless Mouse box hanging around the cameras at Apple?
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post #89 of 375
I wonder if the 6x superdrive is really an 8x that has been crippled with firmware, cuz 2.4x for dual layer burning is slow. It takes almost 45 minutes to burn a full DL DVD at that speed
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Originally Posted by TenoBell

A great point. 7200 drives produce more heat and drain the battery faster. A larger 5400 is the better compromise.

I wasn't arguing from that perspective, the difference in battery and heat isn't much, though it is a good consideration. The last test I saw showed the 7200 drive droping the battery life by three minutes in a standard notebook.

I did find a Barefeats test of 100/7200 vs. 160/5400 drives, the 100s were definitely faster but I still would argue that the 160GB drive is going to serve more people better.
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What difference will I notice between the 128mb video and 256mb video in the two versions of the 15" macbook pro?
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I'm interested in knowing that as well. I will use my computer mostly for internet browsing, email, adobe photoshop editing of photos, spreadsheet and word use, and some desktop video with Final Cut. I may play games but very few and will use Parallels to run Windows. I hope to go with 128 but will go with 256 if necessary.
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Originally Posted by AllBrain

You mean the XPS M2010? Feel it's levitating majesty!


After much searching, I found the deeply hidden weight of that thing. 18.5 lbs.

That's almost as much as a 20 inch iMac (22 lbs)!
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Originally Posted by markw10

I'm interested in knowing that as well. I will use my computer mostly for internet browsing, email, adobe photoshop editing of photos, spreadsheet and word use, and some desktop video with Final Cut. I may play games but very few and will use Parallels to run Windows. I hope to go with 128 but will go with 256 if necessary.

The 128 is definitely the one for you.
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How often does one change the hard drive in a laptop? Is it really that important that it might take 30 minutes instead of five? There are videos that show you exactly how to do it.

With all the moving around that they do, laptop HDs tend to fail much more quickly than desktop HDs. I've known several people who've had to replace the HDs in their Apple laptops, and it's always a really difficult operation, except in the 13.3" MacBook.
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Anyone know if the GPU is underclocked still?
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I wasn't arguing from that perspective, the difference in battery and heat isn't much, though it is a good consideration.

Considering all of the components in the laptop that produce heat and drain battery life and the amount of space those components have to work in cumulative small differences can equal a big difference.
post #98 of 375
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Originally Posted by Mr. H

It's O.K., there aren't that many people who want it to happen. As I said, I'm unsure about it, on balance it's probably better to leave the MacBook Pro keyboard as it is.

Have you actually used a MacBook keyboard for any length of time? It's not that bad.

Yes, I've used it quite a bit. You're right, it's not bad. Functionally, it's great. However, design-wise I think it would look better with beveled keys.
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What difference will I notice between the 128mb video and 256mb video in the two versions of the 15" macbook pro?

For most things, nothing.

Only if textures in certain games are stored, or massive polygon drawings are needed in CAD or 3D programs.

If you have a large virtual desktop that is stored in screen RAM, though that might not need too much either.

If Quartz Exreme uses the memory.
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Originally Posted by 05elstonc

Also of note is the Product pages on the store have changed. The new design puts the information in a rounded gradient box with a grey-blue over box, new font size and colors for specs, the select buttons from the new iPod nano pages have been extended, and now the product images are selected rather than displayed over the products info. I like the new look, and it is good news that apple is working on the website design and may give insight into the color choices and UI concepts that will be in Leopard.

Thoughts?

I like it.
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My brother bought a MBP about 2 weeks ago. Can he take it back for the new one? This isn't really fair for him. >snif<

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My brother bought a MBP about 2 weeks ago. Can he take it back for the new one? This isn't really fair for him. >snif<

While I would argue the fairness point, I'm pretty sure there is a 14 day return policy for opened merchandise and they charge a restocking fee. Still, I'd say it's worth the restocking fee.

EDIT: Here, I copied this for your convenience:

RETURN & REFUND POLICY
If you are not satisfied with your Apple purchase of a product, please call 1-800-676-2775 for a Return Material Authorization (RMA) request within 14 calendar days of the receipt of the product. Configure-to-order, personalized or other customized product may not be returned for refund or exchange under any circumstances unless DOA. If the item is returned unopened in the original box, we will exchange it or offer you a refund based on your original method of payment. The product must be returned to the Apple warehouse within 14 calendar days of the issuance of the RMA. All products must be packed in the original, unmarked packaging including any accessories, manuals, documentation and registration that shipped with the product. A 10% open box fee will be assessed on any opened hardware or accessory. If you purchased your order using an Apple Business Lease, you may be asked to provide a major credit card (Visa, MasterCard, American Express, or Discover) for Apple to assess the 10% open box restocking fee.

Please note that Apple does not permit the return of or offer refunds for the following products:

1. Product that is custom configured to your specifications
post #104 of 375
Placed my order - base model Macbook Pro with the 160gb hard drive, 3-5 days delivery. Fantastic! I'm glad that I waited and didn't buy the old version.
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Hmmm..... I am very surpised with myself: I have been flipping back and forth between a document I need to finish by COB, and the my apple.com shopping cart, in which I have placed a 15" 2.33GHz MBP with the 160 Gig HD, and a wireless mighty mouse. I can't pull the trigger, and I don't know why. They're great machines, I think they will be the only significant change for quite some time, but for some reasone, my amex card is still in my wallet.

I know this contributes nothing the conversation, just a moment of introspection.....
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I got the 2.33 15". 2-4 days for shipping
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Hee-hee-hee.

Actually, this is the bump I was waiting for. Am ordering the 17" with all the bells and whistles (the 160 gig), 3 gigs RAM, etc. When the Santa Rosa one comes out... whenever that is... I won't be impatient because I'll have this great machine to keep me company. Then I'll give this to my son and be on my merry way.

Getting ready to pull the trigger on a 15" MBP.

Only hesitating because of the $575 price for the 3GB option. That seems a little high to me. Crucial.com doesn't show memory for this model yet but any idea what this goes for for this type of RAM at (good) 3rd party sellers?

Thanks,

Steve
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Will it really take all that long for after-market vendors to offer a larger 7200 hdd as well as memory that's a bit less pricey?
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Only hesitating because of the $575 price for the 3GB option. That seems a little high to me. Crucial.com doesn't show memory for this model yet but any idea what this goes for for this type of RAM at (good) 3rd party sellers?

If you go here, you will see that Crucial charge $1169.99 for a 2 GB 667 MHz SO-DIMM, and $175.99 for a 1 GB module. Newegg (a good source for inexpensive components in the U.S.) do not stock 2 GB 667 SO-DIMMs.

So, for once, Apple's memory upgrades are not a rip-off. Quite the opposite, in fact!
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After much searching, I found the deeply hidden weight of that thing. 18.5 lbs.

That's almost as much as a 20 inch iMac (22 lbs)!

That's because it's Dell's attempt at a version of the 20 inch iMac (ie a "single cable" computer for people without much space or who want a clean look). A friend of mine uses one both for live recording projects and as his apartment computer.

While it's no laptop, it's pretty damn portable for a home pc (not compared to any laptop), quite powerful, and i really liked the fact that his has an interface for music, video, and basic calendar, etc. that doesn't require the computer to do a full boot, which is a feature i think more computers should have. Also, standard wireless keyboard is nice, as is the gyropscope remote that works as a mouse pointer so you can sit on the couch and surf or play mouse oriented games...

That said, it runs XP and isn't nearly as pretty as iMac, so i wouldn't buy one. Also, it's pretty pricey...
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That's because it's Dell's attempt at a version of the 20 inch iMac (ie a "single cable" computer for people without much space or who want a clean look). A friend of mine uses one both for live recording projects and as his apartment computer.

While it's no laptop, it's pretty damn portable for a home pc (not compared to any laptop), quite powerful, and i really liked the fact that his has an interface for music, video, and basic calendar, etc. that doesn't require the computer to do a full boot, which is a feature i think more computers should have. Also, standard wireless keyboard is nice, as is the gyropscope remote that works as a mouse pointer so you can sit on the couch and surf or play mouse oriented games...

That said, it runs XP and isn't nearly as pretty as iMac, so i wouldn't buy one. Also, it's pretty pricey...

But still too heavy to levitate despite the anti-gravity that everyone was clamoring for in the MBP.
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Originally Posted by Mr. H

If you go here, you will see that Crucial charge $1169.99 for a 2 GB 667 MHz SO-DIMM, and $175.99 for a 1 GB module. Newegg (a good source for inexpensive components in the U.S.) do not stock 2 GB 667 SO-DIMMs.

So, for once, Apple's memory upgrades are not a rip-off. Quite the opposite, in fact!

I couldn't stand the pressure any more....I cracked and bought a 15" MBP with 3GB RAM, 160GB drive and Magsafe airline power adapter. I usually don't get extended warranties, but being this is a notebook I got AppleCare also.

Steve
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How often does one change the hard drive in a laptop?

I had a Dell circa 1999/2000 with 2 modular swappable drives, which was actually great and easy and only required a reboot. That way i could choose between extra battery, floppy drive (hehe), hard drive(s), a second cd drive for fast burning, or 2 space fillers to save weight. I thought it was a great feature at the time and haven't seen a laptop since with that much flexibility.

It would be great on a Macbook to be able to swap out the superdrive if you really needed an extra 2-3 hours' battery time or an extra 80 gig without an external drive... Although developing products with the same form factor as the superdrive would be expensive. I remember the extra battery and drives for my dell costing a bit of a premium.

That said, with only a single hard drive, it should really only be necessary to change the hard drive once or twice in the life of the computer, and that should be done by a pro in most cases, so how accessible it is doesn't matter a whole lot, although the thought of having one Windows-booting drive and one OS-booting drive is interesting, if it was a simple "click-in" type of drive.
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But still too heavy to levitate despite the anti-gravity that everyone was clamoring for in the MBP.

True. I just wish everyone would slow down a bit and wait for the floats-in-water MBP before raising a stink about the anti-gravity delays. It would help me a lot in my job in corporate aqua-gymnastics.
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OK, now is the time for me to replace my 1.67GHz PowerBook G4. I'd like more than an X1600 to be honest, but FW800. dual layer burning and 64-bit ensure I can resist no longer.

I'm with you.

Love the upgrade except for the GPU. (But I am sure Apple had some reason for not giving it a bump.)

I just hope the quality issues are fixed. That's the upgrade I care most about.
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True. I just wish everyone would slow down a bit and wait for the floats-in-water MBP before raising a stink about the anti-gravity delays. It would help me a lot in my job in corporate aqua-gymnastics.

No, the floats-in-water technology is going to the MacBooks first (or so I hear from a little birdie) -- aluminum doesn't float as well, as they need to work out cellular air-pocket battery-packs in order to get the buoyancy right. And then there's the ability to use it as a life-vest... it's gonna be 2008 before we get to that, and even then, MS isn't going to have the H20 version of Office ready. Give me anti-gravity first, I say.
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Originally Posted by Marvin

Core 2 Duo and FW 800 are decent but nothing much to get excited about. They might save stuff up for next year but I like them to spread it out a bit so we're not always waiting. Leopard should be enough on its own, although since we're not getting to know much of what's in it, my interest is fading somewhat.

Yeah, I'm with you brother. The first Mac notebooks with a Dual 64-bit processor is no big deal!
I'll be with you waiting for the Octo 128-bit processors running at 3 terraflops and Halograhic FireWire THX-1138. Nothing less for me and you buddy.

I also hope it has a little solar panel like my calculator so It can run off of the light from my lamp. But maybe I'm asking too much now.

How quickly we forget the years we waited for a portable G5.
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Originally Posted by akerman

Man, I guess you really have to watch what you say here about Apple (if negative in any way) lest you want non-sensical posts slagging you off in an infantile manner.

And where exactly were you non-sensically slagged off?

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My brother bought a MBP about 2 weeks ago. Can he take it back for the new one? This isn't really fair for him. >snif<

If it was in the last 14 days he can return, if it's in the last 10 apple has a price protection policy and you can call them up for a refund of the difference. Next time, he should pay attention to the rumors and product release cycles if he doesn't want to get burned.
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Next time, he should pay attention to the rumors and product release cycles if he doesn't want to get burned.

Yeah, everyone sure got it right on that, didn't they?
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And where exactly were you non-sensically slagged off?.

just one of many slags can be found in the comment above yours. I think it's true that just about anything remotely negative about apple gets slagged pretty hard around here, but hey, it's an apple fansite, so what does anyone expect.

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Next time, he should pay attention to the rumors and product release cycles if he doesn't want to get burned.

Maybe it was paying attention to rumors, etc. that made him wait so long before he finally gave in bought out of necessity... There's probably already a lot of folks that pay attention to the rumors/cycles who will wait for the next "even bigger" update of Santa Rosa which may happen in Jan. or Feb. who will then possible get "burned" when it isn't released until May or June.

I don't think anyone is that wiser from rumor sites, since none of us can accurately sift through the 99% bullshit predictions posted (see MB, MBPro, PBG5, etc.). I can't remember anything predicted here accurately that hasn't been forecasted by more mainstream media or leaked from developers that's been more than a couple days before the official release... But it's still very very fun !
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