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DigiTimes, which has historically been off the mark when it comes to predicting Apple Computer's future hardware directions, is floating a new rumor this week of a "15.4-inch MacBook" supposedly due for production by the middle of next year.

Citing unnamed sources at notebook manufacturers, the Taiwan-based publication on Thursday said Foxconn Electronics "will produce a 15.4-inch MacBook model for Apple for the first time, with shipments to commence in May 2007."

As a result of the move, Asustek will no longer be the sole supplier for Apple's MacBook line, according to the report. It states that, following the launch of 13.3-inch models earlier this year, Apple has now decided to push 15.4-inch notebooks.

The rumors are similar to those spun by analysts at Credit Lyonnais Securities Asia earlier in the month. According to that report, Foxconn had received notebook orders from Apple for volume shipments of one new MacBook model by the end of 2006.

The Credit Lyonnais report did not indicate whether the orders were for Apple's 15- and 17-inch MacBook Pro professional notebooks or its consumer-oriented 13-inch MacBook models.

Offering yet another twist to the ongoing MacBook manufacturing saga -- and possibly shedding some doubt on DigiTime's latest claims -- are reports from the seemingly more reliable Commercial Times, which in August stated that Foxconn was most interested in building Apple's 15-inch MacBook Pro high-end notebooks.

It remains unclear whether sources for the Taiwanese investment firms and trade publications have stumbled upon plans for Apple's future notebook directions or if they've simply confused the company's two MacBook lines due to similarities in the notebooks' naming schemes.
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Why would this cause a commotion? I remain unconcerned.

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post #3 of 57
This is a good move if they are referring to the MacBook.
Many older consumers want a consumer laptop but are deterred by the MacBook's tiny screen.

A 15" screen + Leopard's resolution independent GUI = WIN, WIN
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cause those damn kids get so worked up over nuthin' these days!

IF this happens to be true id be a little excited. I'd prefer a 13.3'' MacBook Pro. In my mind that gives it more options like a graphics card made by ATI or Nvidia.
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I would, also, like to see a 13.3-inch MBP. I like the size and portability of the MacBook, but need the power and graphics card from the MacBook Pro. Come on Mr. Jobs! PLEASE!!!
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Originally Posted by MauiMac

I would, also, like to see a 13.3-inch MBP. I like the size and portability of the MacBook, but need the power and graphics card from the MacBook Pro. Come on Mr. Jobs! PLEASE!!!

Exactly my thoughts. Smaller MacBook Pro's is by far more interesting than bigger consumer MacBooks. I would have bought a small pro one if there was one. Now I'm thinking to keep my PB 12" and getting an iMac in the meanwhile for serious work. Then if/when that darn MacBook Thin arrives perhaps I'll swap my PB 12"..
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I hope this doesn't mean the 13.3 Macbooks won't get dual core 2s until May

Apple should make a 15.4 macbook, AND a 13.3 MBP! Oh and they should maybe consider an ultra portible like a 10 inch or whatever the sizes are
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Wouldn't this hinder sales for their 15" MBP??
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Why did Apple have problems creating a strong enough value proposition for the 12" Powerbook compared to the 12" iBook (at least in the eyes of a lot of vocal (potential) customers who complained loudly here about the Powerbook being just a more expensive iBook) when other manufaturers (e.g., Dell) do not have such a problem?

Dell can sell similiar laptops (in terms of screen and processor) to vastly different prices in their different lines.

I think one reason is that Dell has such a complicated product portfolio that few customers really understand it. Apple, however, has such a simple lineup that is very easy to see where you get a good value for your money and where you are padding Apple's margins (black MacBook).
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Overseas PUB????

I was expecting to read about a bunch of drunk Irishmen in Cork slugging it out after drinking one too many (talk about uber Nerds!!) or something!!!

WTF is an "overseas pub"???
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Pub-lication I think ZO.

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post #12 of 57
If there is a 15.4" MacBook, what would it get since there will be more room to put things? The only things I can think of are (1) a full size DVI port and (2) a third USB port. With the exception of the obvious upgrades I expect everything else to stay like it is.
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Originally Posted by SoopaDrive

Wouldn't this hinder sales for their 15" MBP??

I don't understand why it would. If you need / want a pro machine, you get the MBP. If you don't need the pro features (separate GPU, FW800, dual-link DVI, sleaker body, etc.), get the MB. Maybe this hypothetical 15" MB would have a bit lower resolution screen.

I think it would make sense given that the iBook line used to have two screen sizes, right now, there is only one size.
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Why can't they just get me a low power consumption 10" notebook made?
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Originally Posted by ZO

Overseas PUB????

I was expecting to read about a bunch of drunk Irishmen in Cork slugging it out after drinking one too many (talk about uber Nerds!!) or something!!!

That is the funniest thing I have read today. Thanks ZO!!
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ah, what AppleInsider does best: simultaneously diss and quote fringe sources to generate page visits.

i've got some *real* news for you, readers--NOBODY has "inside sources" at Apple. i've worked there. nobody who works there that i've ever met wants to risk their job to tell some dork "hey, MacBooks are coming next week."
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Originally Posted by ZO

Overseas PUB????

I was expecting to read about a bunch of drunk Irishmen in Cork slugging it out after drinking one too many (talk about uber Nerds!!) or something!!!

WTF is an "overseas pub"???

Yeah I was too, those Corkonians sure do drink a lot.
/Waterfordian myself.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella

This is a good move if they are referring to the MacBook.
Many older consumers want a consumer laptop but are deterred by the MacBook's tiny screen.

A 15" screen + Leopard's resolution independent GUI = WIN, WIN



I wasn't deterred. My previous laptop was a Powerbook G4 with a 15 inch screen.

The current Macbook pro is overkill for me , that was my deterrent. I like the 13 inch screen!
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ah, what AppleInsider does best: simultaneously diss and quote fringe sources to generate page visits.

i've got some *real* news for you, readers--NOBODY has "inside sources" at Apple. i've worked there. nobody who works there that i've ever met wants to risk their job to tell some dork "hey, MacBooks are coming next week."


Shut up Woz!!

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Originally Posted by JeffDM

I don't understand why it would. If you need / want a pro machine, you get the MBP. If you don't need the pro features (separate GPU, FW800, dual-link DVI, sleaker body, etc.), get the MB.

I would guess that the vast majority get the MacBook Pro (instead of a MacBook) because they want a 15" screen (and/or the higher resolution). Just how many owners of MacBook Pros have FW800 peripherals, a 30" screen or an ExpressCard device? Certainly a minority only, all others will be tempted to forgoe the shinyness and save $500 - $1000 and instead get a 15.4" MacBook. Just ask Dell what fraction of their laptop sales for a given screen size and resolution come from the cheap product lines and what from the expensive ones.
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ah, what AppleInsider does best: simultaneously diss and quote fringe sources to generate page visits.

i've got some *real* news for you, readers--NOBODY has "inside sources" at Apple. i've worked there. nobody who works there that i've ever met wants to risk their job to tell some dork "hey, MacBooks are coming next week."

While I agree that DigiTimes can be suspect, they are wrong almost as often as they are right, sources from Apple aren't needed most of the time.

There are contacts inside the various manufactures, and suppliers to know when changes in their lines are about to be made, and which parts that certain manufactures use for certain machines, in the volumes they use them, are changing direction to end up where they do.

Apple also makes purchases which can't be kept secret.

These things add up.
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Originally Posted by ZO

Overseas PUB????

I was expecting to read about a bunch of drunk Irishmen in Cork slugging it out after drinking one too many (talk about uber Nerds!!) or something!!!

WTF is an "overseas pub"???

i know, it's odd abbreviating a word when the result is another, already existing word. it just turns headlines a little confusing.
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Originally Posted by Ireland

Yeah I was too, those Corkonians sure do drink a lot.
/Waterfordian myself.

Does that explain why they go to an overseas pub?
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Originally Posted by Steinar

Does that explain why they go to an overseas pub?

If they don't like warm beer, sure.
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Originally Posted by palegolas

Exactly my thoughts. Smaller MacBook Pro's is by far more interesting than bigger consumer MacBooks. I would have bought a small pro one if there was one. Now I'm thinking to keep my PB 12" and getting an iMac in the meanwhile for serious work. Then if/when that darn MacBook Thin arrives perhaps I'll swap my PB 12"..

I am somewhat disturbed to see how many people now declare they would like to see a 13" MacBook Pro. Earlier, people missed a 12" model. For my part, the iMac is the first in switching line; I look forward to replace my almost five year old 15" lamp with a new 24" model this winter. But after that I need a replacement for my 12" PowerBook. I will keep my PB for as long as I can - it is only three years old - in the hope that Apple will provide something very lightweight after all. My fear is that it will not materialize. As far as I have read, the small form factor laptops amount to only around 10 percent of the full range.
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Foxconn Electronics "will produce a 15.4-inch MacBook model for Apple for the first time, with shipments to commence in May 2007."

Oh yeah, and it's probably gonna have Santa Rosa (due april 2007) in it!

It's more likely that they will introduce a MB style 15,4-inch MBP. Let's just hope they keep it silver.
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Oh yeah, and it's probably gonna have Santa Rosa (due april 2007) in it!

It's more likely that they will introduce a MB style 15,4-inch MBP. Let's just hope they keep it silver.

I doubt they will produce a MBP that looks like a MB, silver or not.

They have to differenciate the two lines, and the case is the first place to do that. MBP buyers won't find it amusing if the machine emulates a cheaper machine, even if it were gold colored plastic.
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Originally Posted by melgross

If they don't like warm beer, sure.

Well, in my humble opinion quality beer should never be kept in a fridge. They say American beer is like making love in a canoe: it is f**ing close to water. But that is not true. There are great beers on both coasts, Anchor Steam on one side and Samuel Adams on the other. But I digress. Sorry.
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Originally Posted by Steinar

Well, in my humble opinion quality beer should never be kept in a fridge. They say American beer is like making love in a canoe: it is f**ing close to water. But that is not true. There are great beers on both coasts, Anchor Steam on one side and Samuel Adams on the other. But I digress. Sorry.

When beer is made, on purpose, to be served warm, then it's great.

But when it's not, and it is, it's not.
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When beer is made, on purpose, to be served warm, then it's great.

But when it's not, and it is, it's not.

That sounds logically ... I think.
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All I want's a MacBook Mini.
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All I want is a sub-$1000 ($999 or less) MacBook. In fact, that's gonna be my new sig.
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post #33 of 57
this rumor is completely bogus. all thats happened here is apple has asked foxconn to help them make more 15in macbook pros, but at some point down the newsie chain 'macbook pro' was shortened to 'macbook', hence the confusion. there's no news here. there's certainly no 15in macbook in the works.

but!.... if i turn out to be wrong, i'll buy one immediately. =)
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Originally Posted by aplnub

Why can't they just get me a low power consumption 10" notebook made?

I second that wholeheartedly. Well, maybe not 10". 11" widescreen might be nice. I'm holding on to my old 12" PB for at least another year hoping and praying that Apple will see fit to design a subnote for those of us who don't want to carry bricks (not power bricks) around all day. It doesn't even need to be particularly powerful. Nobody would ever consider a subnotebook a desktop replacement. Anybody who buys one would have it to supplement a desktop. Make it small with good battery life and running OS X and I'll be in heaven. I don't want to have to keep looking at the Vaio TX series with envy. If Sony can run Core Solos in those and get 5-11 hours of battery life along with a DVD burner in a sub-3 pound system, Apple has no excuse for not being able to do the same. We're not talking Apples and oranges anymore. It's the same, damn processor.
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I second that wholeheartedly. Well, maybe not 10". 11" widescreen might be nice. I'm holding on to my old 12" PB for at least another year hoping and praying that Apple will see fit to design a subnote for those of us who don't want to carry bricks (not power bricks) around all day. It doesn't even need to be particularly powerful. Nobody would ever consider a subnotebook a desktop replacement. Anybody who buys one would have it to supplement a desktop. Make it small with good battery life and running OS X and I'll be in heaven. I don't want to have to keep looking at the Vaio TX series with envy. If Sony can run Core Solos in those and get 5-11 hours of battery life along with a DVD burner in a sub-3 pound system, Apple has no excuse for not being able to do the same. We're not talking Apples and oranges anymore. It's the same, damn processor.


I will cave on just about any feature you want as long as it runs OS X and is smaller than my 12" iBook and has 8 - 11 hours battery life. To heck with the optical drive at all.

I am with you, that Sony looks great and don't think I haven't thought about puting OSX on one, if I were that type of person that is. Apple better do something because there is a clear need for this and I predict that they will fly off the beds they are made in from China to the world if they made such a beast.

PS I don't think I will ever let go of my 12" iBook. That is my travel buddy, even with a MBP 15" CD sitting beside it.
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I will cave on just about any feature you want as long as it runs OS X and is smaller than my 12" iBook and has 8 - 11 hours battery life. To heck with the optical drive at all.

I am with you, that Sony looks great and don't think I haven't thought about puting OSX on one, if I were that type of person that is. Apple better do something because there is a clear need for this and I predict that they will fly off the beds they are made in from China to the world if they made such a beast.

PS I don't think I will ever let go of my 12" iBook. That is my travel buddy, even with a MBP 15" CD sitting beside it.

I would like something very small and light because I have no real need for a laptop, but if it fit a certain form and weight factor, I would buy one.
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The demand for the small form factor 12 or 13.3 inch screen in MacBook Pro isn't going to be a volume leader.

Apple wants to grow their market beyond IT Administration folks.

If they add another manufacturer it is due to good evidence that they will exceed the supply side that Asustek can muster.
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Originally Posted by iggypopped

this rumor is completely bogus. all thats happened here is apple has asked foxconn to help them make more 15in macbook pros, but at some point down the newsie chain 'macbook pro' was shortened to 'macbook', hence the confusion. there's no news here. there's certainly no 15in macbook in the works.

but!.... if i turn out to be wrong, i'll buy one immediately. =)

I think IggyPopped got it right...this is nothing but a rumor about Foxconn building 15.4" MacBook Pros that someone messed up.

Assuming Apple did have a 15.4" MacBook (non-pro) what would it cost?

It would have to cost more than the currently most expensive MacBook, the $1499 black model. There's no way Apple would sell the 15.4" model with lesser specs than the black one.

So that means the price would have to come in between $1499 and $1999 that represents the current low end MacBook Pro. The larger screen would come at a price premium no less than $200, so that makes the minimum price on a 15.4" MacBook $1699. That's with 512 MB RAM, 80 GB HD, SuperDrive and GMA graphics, just like the black MacBook model.

With only a $300 difference between the MacBook Pro and this 15.4" MacBook, I just don't see what the point is. The Pro gives you FW800, backlit keyboard, twice the RAM, dedicated graphics, and a 120 GB HD. If you try to BTO any of those items into a MacBook 15.4 that starts at $1699, it would end up costing the same or MORE than the low end MacBook Pro.

It just doesn't make any sense at all.
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Originally Posted by Ensoniq

I think IggyPopped got it right...this is nothing but a rumor about Foxconn building 15.4" MacBook Pros that someone messed up.

Assuming Apple did have a 15.4" MacBook (non-pro) what would it cost?

It would have to cost more than the currently most expensive MacBook, the $1499 black model. There's no way Apple would sell the 15.4" model with lesser specs than the black one.

So that means the price would have to come in between $1499 and $1999 that represents the current low end MacBook Pro. The larger screen would come at a price premium no less than $200, so that makes the minimum price on a 15.4" MacBook $1699. That's with 512 MB RAM, 80 GB HD, SuperDrive and GMA graphics, just like the black MacBook model.

With only a $300 difference between the MacBook Pro and this 15.4" MacBook, I just don't see what the point is. The Pro gives you FW800, backlit keyboard, twice the RAM, dedicated graphics, and a 120 GB HD. If you try to BTO any of those items into a MacBook 15.4 that starts at $1699, it would end up costing the same or MORE than the low end MacBook Pro.

It just doesn't make any sense at all.

I agree. I've been saying this for quite a while.
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Originally Posted by Ensoniq

I think IggyPopped got it right...this is nothing but a rumor about Foxconn building 15.4" MacBook Pros that someone messed up.

It just doesn't make any sense at all.

thank you. =)

we ought to be looking towards the future, not at some hairbrained rumor that obviously was just a mishap typo when somebody forgot to add 'pro' behind the macbook and it went too far.

this was making me think about how this kind of mistake wouldnt have happened when the consumer and professional laptop lines had more distinctive names. ibook and powerbook were never confused. maybe confusion is what apple wanted here, to generate even more rumormongering?

speaking of laptop rumors, i dont believe apple will ever go the route of the ultraportable. alot of people say they want it but i think the reality is some stripped down 9-11in laptop with less features at a lower cost just isnt what apple is about. they like to start small and build up rather than start big and strip down.

the future of apple ultraportables is an ipod with newtonlike functionality i'm pretty sure. i think we'll see this within 2 years easily if not much sooner. it'll be all ipod and half a newton, with its main emphasis centered around portable media and communications. this should reside at the top of the ipod chain, and charge a premium price, still have plenty of room for the ipods we know today. those will always exist as long as they sell. plenty of space for $80 shuffles all the way up to $600 ipod half-computers.

but i really dont think apple wants to ruin their well staged laptop differentations. they have very clear price points based on screen size, graphics power and color. a 15in macbook would just muck it all up. and they're not going down in size, and apple will never make 4:3 ever again. its widescreen all the way, baby powerbook RIP.
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