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Apple Computer on Tuesday evening released an update to its iTunes jukebox software for both Mac and PC. Meanwhile, the company has commenced shipments of its iSight digital video camera following a several month hiatus.

iTunes 7.0.2

iTunes 7.0.2 (25.5MB) adds support for the Second Generation iPod shuffle, which is due to hit stores this friday.

The update also addresses a variety of stability and performance issues found in iTunes 7 and 7.0.1, Apple said.

iSights now shipping

Also on Tuesday, Apple store customers are reporting that their iSight orders, which have been on hold since September, are finally shipping.

Apple halted shipments of the cam several months ago, around the same time that it removed the product from the European market due to non-compliance with a recent environmental directive.

Oddly enough, the models shipping this week carry the same manufacturer part number ( M8817LL/C) as the iSight available earlier this year and checks with the UK Apple store still reflect no availability of the cam.

Even more perplexing is word from sources that, just as iSights began shipping to customers in the US this week, Apple issued a worldwide end-of-life notice on the cam.

Weak 8GB iPod nano sales?

In a research note issued Monday, Robert W. Baird & Co. analyst Tristan Gerra he has received "additional feedback about weak iPod 8GB nano sales," suggesting further pricing weakness for NAND flash memory in November.

"Our checks as of late last week indicate very weak NOR flash bookings for the month of December, in sharp contrast with Q3, along with the implementation of tight expense controls and/or hiring freezes at several semiconductor companies," the analyst wrote. "NAND flash pricing likely to decline again as 8GB nano sales remain weak, in our view."

Apple's 8GB nano retails for $249 but, other than an additional 4GB of storage and black casing, is otherwise identical to the company's sub-$200 4GB models.
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post #3 of 37
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider

Apple's 8GB nano retails for $249 but, other than an additional 4GB of storage and black casing, is otherwise identical to the company's sub-$200 4GB models.

And that's why I won't buy one. I don't want freakin' black, I want freakin' silver so I can replace my silver mini with a silver skini mini.
post #4 of 37
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Originally Posted by jimhill

And that's why I won't buy one. I don't want freakin' black, I want freakin' silver so I can replace my silver mini with a silver skini mini.

That's my reason as well. When they offer a 8GB Nano in silver, I'll buy one!
post #5 of 37
Or maybe the weak sales are because the 8GB Nano is the same price as the 30GB iPod Video. Who in their right mind would buy an 8GB Nano when they could get a 30GB iPod Video of the same price? Apparently not many people...
post #6 of 37
Apple should have dumped the 2gb nano and positioned the 4gig'r as the base nano at $149. The 8gig'r should be at $199 and available in different colors. The price drop of the iPod 30gb has definitely eaten away at potential nano sales.
post #7 of 37
I agree wtih GreenArrow.

The type of people who would buy a 8gig nano at the same price as (instead of) the 30gig iPod generally would be smaller compared to people looking for value, i.e. a normal consumer. People seeing higher specs at the same price would probably choose the higher specs if it was an obvious difference. Which it clearly is.

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Except that the nano is much smaller than the 30GB iPod. Smaller does have value for many people. By the way, the 8GB nano is the 2nd best selling nano at Amazon behind just the 2GB nano.

In any case, I don't think Apple minds people moving up to the 30GB iPod. Because then they are more likely to buy movies and TV shows at the iTS, and if they do that, then they are more likely to buy an iTV when it comes out.
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post #9 of 37
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Except that the nano is much smaller than the 30GB iPod. Smaller does have value for many people.

It is for me. When I listen to audio, video features do nothing for me, so it's extra weight that I don't need in my pocket.

I didn't get the 8GB model though. I have a 1GB nano and it can still hold more audio than it can play on a battery charge, which is a long time for me. I set iTunes to replace all the tracks I've played with new tracks when it charges.
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"Apple issued a worldwide end-of-life notice on the cam"

Does this mean they will soon stop selling the iSight all together? If so I think we will soon see all the Apple displays with built-in iSights - and that's when I'll sell my 24" plastic Dell in exchange for a 30" iSighted aluminum Apple!
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Originally Posted by mark2005

By the way, the 8GB nano is the 2nd best selling nano at Amazon behind just the 2GB nano.

Can you provide a URL for where you get this information?

If the sales show the 2GB ahead of the 8GB ahead of the 4GB nano, I would guess that the reason for this is because there are five colours of 4GB and they are each considered as a distict player for tallying (as opposed to the one colour for each of the other two storage sizes).
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Taking away the iSight? I hope they're just remodling it. Despite its bulky look compared to the internal iSights I think taking them away altogether is a bad idea. And putting them into the Apple Displays is an okay idea but what about those of us with multiple screens? Or those of us who dont feel like spending 699 for a display? Id prefer my FW iSight cam. Maybe I'm an anomaly. idk. But it just doesnt feel like integrating a cam with their cinema displays is a very apple thing to do.
post #14 of 37
Perhaps it's people realizing that black shouldn't be held to a higher level and a higher price point.

We all know why Apple has made the 8gb available only in black. They realize black is the "colour of the year" and many will pay extra if not just to match it to their black MacBook.
In both cases, the small added benefits don't justify the higher costs.
post #15 of 37
Actually, I have a better a solution that's even better than iSighted Cinema Displays:

Give me an iPhone with built-in iSight and a dock for it - it'd be better for camera positioning on a desktop and I wouldn't have to spend $150 on a web camera.
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Originally Posted by -dF

Actually, I have a better a solution that's even better than iSighted Cinema Displays:

Give me an iPhone with built-in iSight and a dock for it - it'd be better for camera positioning on a desktop and I wouldn't have to spend $150 on a web camera.

depending on the features of the phone you might have to pay double the price of an iSight. but itd have to be REALLY loaded with features
post #17 of 37
honestly, the 8GB nano sales are weak because:

a) The iPod 30GB is the same price (22 extra GB for the same price!)
b) the iPod 30GB+ plays video

The only plus the nano has is that it's small and uses flash memory. I doubt many people would choose size over video and 22GB, though.

It's quite open for a price drop at one point.

iPod nano 2GB: $120 US
iPod nano 4GB: $150
iPod nano 8GB: $200 (or even $180 perhaps)

$70 between the shuffle and the basic nano is way too big a difference.
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post #18 of 37
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Originally Posted by Caribou Killa

depending on the features of the phone you might have to pay double the price of an iSight. but itd have to be REALLY loaded with features

I'd pay up to 12 Hamiltons for an Apple Phone, so I'm not really worried about that. I just kinda think the iSight is obtrusive. Sure, it's well designed and it looks as nice as it can, but it still looks silly on top of a monitor. I want as little on my desk as possible, so if I could dock my iPhone and use it as an iSight while the phone charges its battery... now that would be innovative.

Plus you'd only have one camera for everywhere you go - most people would have a camera-phone and a web cam... why not put them together? You're not gonna use your web cam when you're away from the computer.

(I am seeing one problem now though... what would happen when you're video chatting and get a call? )
post #19 of 37
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Originally Posted by thegreatluke

The only plus the nano has is that it's small and uses flash memory. I doubt many people would choose size over video and 22GB, though.

A quick check of Apple Discussions shows that there are a fair number of 5G/5.5G owners who are upset about the lack of Nike+ support on their iPods. The 8Gb Nano is the largest iPod that supports Nike+.

I do agree though that for the same price the extra 22Gb and Video/Game capabilites basically makes the 8Gb Nano redundant. Most ppl can't save their whole mp3 libraries on any Nano so you're always going to be swapping music in and out - may aswell swap it in a out a little more on a much much cheaper 2Gb Nano.

I'd like to see the figures for the UK or Europe where the 8Gb Nano is cheaper than the 30Gb 5.5G.
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Originally Posted by Caribou Killa

Taking away the iSight? I hope they're just remodling it. Despite its bulky look compared to the internal iSights I think taking them away altogether is a bad idea. And putting them into the Apple Displays is an okay idea but what about those of us with multiple screens? Or those of us who dont feel like spending 699 for a display? Id prefer my FW iSight cam. Maybe I'm an anomaly. idk. But it just doesnt feel like integrating a cam with their cinema displays is a very apple thing to do.

Has anyone done an image quality comparison between the iSight and the things that are built in? Being a cell phone sensor, it really sucks. I'd hope the external ones have decent sensors. If not, one may as well hook up a compact camcorder and use that.
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Originally Posted by mrtotes

A quick check of Apple Discussions shows that there are a fair number of 5G/5.5G owners who are upset about the lack of Nike+ support on their iPods. The 8Gb Nano is the largest iPod that supports Nike+.

I think the hard drive may be an issue. iPod does do a lot of caching to reduce the risk of vibration damage with the hard drive running, but it has to do a read eventually, and each read while running runs a risk of damage.
post #22 of 37
It's definitely that the 30gig is the same price. It's no surprise about the 8gig nano's weak sales.

Alot of people who buy nanos from what I've noticed are either active people who do a lot of running and sports and they really only need a gig or two of music with them at any given time. And most of those people would be fine with a shuffle.
Or (and more likely) they are buying a nano because it's the cheapest ipod they can get that actualy gives them the ipod experience (screen and clickwheel). Where the size and weight are just a nice bonus.

As for the isight, could it be there is an HD isight on the way?
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Originally Posted by jimhill

And that's why I won't buy one. I don't want freakin' black, I want freakin' silver so I can replace my silver mini with a silver skini mini.

I want a pink 8GB nano. Now that's punk.

Black, meh. My goth days are over.
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Originally Posted by ApplePi

It's definitely that the 30gig is the same price. It's no surprise about the 8gig nano's weak sales.

Alot of people who buy nanos from what I've noticed are either active people who do a lot of running and sports and they really only need a gig or two of music with them at any given time. And most of those people would be fine with a shuffle.
Or (and more likely) they are buying a nano because it's the cheapest ipod they can get that actualy gives them the ipod experience (screen and clickwheel). Where the size and weight are just a nice bonus.

As for the isight, could it be there is an HD isight on the way?

Goodpoint on the HD. Apple does tend to like HD. And yeah the iSight looks silly on top of a monitor but what webcam doesnt. I prefer the iSight to any like round ball-ish looking thing from logitech. Lets just hope apple finds some amazing way of WOWing us all and pleasing everyone.
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I bought an 8 GB Nano because it will not skip songs while I run, it interfaces with the Nike +, and it is very small and lightweight. The 2 or 4 GB were too small. Color was not an issue.

For capacity, I already own a 20 GB 3G which I upgraded to 30 GB after the hard drive failed from 3 years of running. Didn't want to go through that again.
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Good on EOLing the isight, apple could do so much better. The next one should be cool.

8gb nano not selling? Well apple should assume that considering the emphasis they placed on the 4gb sizes. Make the colours in the larger sizes. Do it and you'll get more sales, especially from women.
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post #27 of 37
I think it's mostly about color. The best tier for color selection happens to be the model that's selling the most.

If the nano hadn't already been black then the black 8GB might have held more allure. As it is, not so much, and often quite the opposite. People missed having color choices, and now those are back, but not in the 8GB model. What's surprising about any of this?
post #28 of 37
I'm going to be following this closely because of the isight camera. I'm going to be purchasing a Mac Pro likely within the Jan-April timeframe next year. I want a camera for it and won't be going with Apple's own monitors. I'm almost tempted to just purchase a isight now but then again maybe there will be some type of update to the isight. In a worse case I assume there are some 3rd party cams that work with the mac.
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Originally Posted by Denton

Can you provide a URL for where you get this information?

If the sales show the 2GB ahead of the 8GB ahead of the 4GB nano, I would guess that the reason for this is because there are five colours of 4GB and they are each considered as a distict player for tallying (as opposed to the one colour for each of the other two storage sizes).

See for e.g.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers...6?ie=UTF8&pg=1

8GB Black is currently ahead of 2GB Silver at Amazon (updated hourly).

Looks like it's purely colour related. More colour = more 8GB Nano's.

Black = Premium according to Apple marketing this year however 4GB for $50 doesn't feel like much of a premium to me in fact seems more like a bargain!!.

Having observed the market for a while I think we can expect a few more bulletins about how terrible iPod Nano/Shuffle sales and demand are for a bit (deramping), before the analysts change it all round and everyone discovers how great sales and demand were (i.e. after they have loaded up on Apple).
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Oh ffs!
post #31 of 37
Here is the way I look at it in terms of value and pricing:

The 8 Gb nano is significantly smaller in physical size, significantly smaller in screen size, significantly smaller in capacity size....

It should be significantly smaller in price.

(If I'm really gonna be pushy, I'd even say that the 4 Gb should be $149.)
post #32 of 37
There are significant tradeoffs for the increased screen size and larger capacity of the 30GB iPod as well. Battery life is almost half of the nano's. More importantly for those of us who have been using iPods for a while, you have to be pretty careful with the HD-based iPods. Drop it and you could have a $250 or $350 paperweight. No such worry with the flash-based, no moving parts nano. That's one big reason I'm really looking at a nano when my mini finally dies, although I don't need the 8GB model.
post #33 of 37
Had Apple made the Product Red iPod in 8GB instead of 4GB, I would have instantly bought at least one and probably three or four (nice to get holiday shopping finished early).
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My coverflow on a 3-year old Toshiba laptop is fracked. Hope this fixes it! [cross fingers, downloads 7.02]
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Originally Posted by ecking

Good on EOLing the isight, apple could do so much better. The next one should be cool.

The iSight must be one of the least updated hardware that Apple has come up with, ever. But given general bandwidth and availability, it still does its job well. The next one should be sexy and cool while taking added advantage if both ends have ADSL2+? Or they might not sell any new iSights at all since it is built into everything except the Mac Pros... Hmmm.... They still would need some for the MacPros and those with PPC non-iSight-integrated Macs...
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Originally Posted by macgyver2

Had Apple made the Product Red iPod in 8GB instead of 4GB, I would have instantly bought at least one and probably three or four (nice to get holiday shopping finished early).

ghet down the shops now!
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Originally Posted by Caribou Killa

Taking away the iSight? I hope they're just remodling it. Despite its bulky look compared to the internal iSights I think taking them away altogether is a bad idea. And putting them into the Apple Displays is an okay idea but what about those of us with multiple screens? Or those of us who dont feel like spending 699 for a display? Id prefer my FW iSight cam. Maybe I'm an anomaly. idk.

Any Firewire camcorder would do the same job and give you a lot more flexibility, it would be a little larger though and you have to work on a mount. It could be that they are replacing it with something that's a little smaller, that would be a move that might be considered overdue.

The iSight would work with competitor's displays, but I can't say that it would look right.

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But it just doesnt feel like integrating a cam with their cinema displays is a very apple thing to do.

They've already put it into every mac with a display, so I don't understand what you mean by this.
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