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Apple Computer may be ready to update its MacBook line of consumer notebooks with Intel Corp.'s Core 2 Duo processors as early as this week, tipsters tell AppleInsider.

Rumors relating to specific release dates for the enhanced 13-inch notebooks have swirled in recent weeks, fueled in part by European resellers who continue to report little success in obtaining new stock of existing Core Duo-based models.

Those rumors were stoked further last week when web surfers stumbled upon some unusual listings at Play.com, a European Apple reseller which abruptly began accepting pre-orders for several unannounced Core 2 Duo-based MacBook models through its online store.

Now tipsters tell AppleInsider that three new Apple hardware products are en-route the U.S. this week, carrying previously unoccupied manufacturers part numbers MA699LL/A, MA700LL/A and MA701LL/A.

Apple's existing line of MacBooks are similarly available in three standard retail configurations: two white-colored models (1.83GHz and 2.0GHz) and a single black model (also 2.0GHz). They range in price from (U.S.) $1099 to (U.S.) $1499.

While AppleInsider has been unable to positively confirm the latest product rumblings pertain specifically to MacBooks, the reports are similar to those that appeared in the days and hours leading up to Apple's announcement of Core 2 Duo-based MacBook Pro models late last month.

In September, AppleInsider reported that Mac maker had wrapped up development of revised MacBook and MacBook Pro models, each of which would sport Core 2 Duo chips from Intel. People familiar with the company's plans said both lines were tracking for a release prior to the holiday shopping season, which has historically seen its initial surge the day after Thanksgiving.

On Oct. 24, Apple introduced 15- and 17-inch MacBook Pro models with Core 2 Duo processors, leaving only its 13-inch MacBook offerings with Core Duo chips.
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What doesn't make sense to me is why would they update the Macbook to C2D and not the Mini.
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Eventually everything will be updated, and of course not all at the same moment.

But if Intel prices Core cheaper than Core 2, then Core is the right choice for Apple's entry-level model. 64-bit or no, Core Solo and Core Duo are very fast processors, more than adequate for many people. A Core 2 Mini would cost more than a Core Mini, and that's a needless barrier to buying your first Mac.

I'd rather see a cheaper Mini result when Intel drops the price on Core 1. (And the same for MacBooks, actually: a Core 1 MacBook would be cheaper than Core 2, and still highly capable, so I'd like to see Apple continue to offer that as the entry-level portable.)
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I would imagine at this point it's more a function of demand than anything else--Apple wants to be able to sell a boat-load of notebooks this quarter, which can only happen if Intel supplies the right amount of processors. Most people won't have heard, or even notice, the switch, so why sell a product that you don't have when you could be selling a bunch of what you do? Plus, phasing it in like this lets Apple work off excess CD inventory.
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post #5 of 92
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig

What doesn't make sense to me is why would they update the Macbook to C2D and not the Mini.

'Cause the Mini is basically sub-$600 bait to make other Macs look like better deals.

Apple sells about 5-8x the amount of MacBooks as does it Minis.

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Originally Posted by nagromme

I'd rather see a cheaper Mini result when Intel drops the price on Core 1. (And the same for MacBooks, actually: a Core 1 MacBook would be cheaper than Core 2, and still highly capable, so I'd like to see Apple continue to offer that as the entry-level portable.)

I would too, but I don't think it's going to happen.... because, curiously, Intel hasn't discounted the Core 1 chips Apple is using. They're not cheaper than the Core 2 ones.
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crap!
damn! damn! damn!

I said to myself: "No way in hell will Apple release a new model this close to the holiday shopping season."
So I ordered a MacBook to replace my wife's dead iBook on Friday.
It should be here on Wednesday.

damn! damn! damn!
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If it is just a change in processor, I won't be that pissed.

I just hope they don't change HD, RAM, blah, blah, blah...

damn! damn! damn!
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Originally Posted by Hobbes

Apple sells about 5-8x the amount of MacBooks as does it Minis.

I've never seen any such numbers, where did you come up with them?
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I'm crossing my fingers.
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella

crap!
damn! damn! damn!

I said to myself: "No way in hell will Apple release a new model this close to the holiday shopping season."
So I ordered a MacBook to replace my wife's dead iBook on Friday.
It should be here on Wednesday.

damn! damn! damn!

You should be in for a surprise then
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig

What doesn't make sense to me is why would they update the Macbook to C2D and not the Mini.

According to my theory, Apple wants to upgrade the entire range to 802.11n to support the new iTV offering. This means they have bigger plans for the mini than merely upgrading the core. Plus there may still be shorages of C2D.
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How does the Core 2 affect battery life compared to Core 1? My only real complaint about my MacBook is that battery life is pretty lame.
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Apple normally releases new products on a Tuesday. The C2D MacBook Pros were released two weeks ago. Last Tuesday was Halloween, so it would be unlikely for Apple to release new products on that day. I'm pretty sure that they will release the C2D MacBooks tomorrow.
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well congrats to all the macbook peeps who waited

hope they give ya'all some sweet ram upgrades like they did fo' the MBP's.

I do believe this report is fairly accurate btw cause this is the same as monday oct 23, when they mentioned the new manufacture numbers.

interesting to see what'll be different besides the processor, if anything.

A dedicated GPU......... .........nah
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Originally Posted by countach

According to my theory, Apple wants to upgrade the entire range to 802.11n to support the new iTV offering. This means they have bigger plans for the mini than merely upgrading the core. Plus there may still be shorages of C2D.

I think that this hypothesis about 802.11n is right. I also imagine that the Apple's announced release date for the iTV is the latest it could be released, not the earliest.
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Dang I just bought my macbook 5 day ago. And it' my first mac ever. I'm still within my return period though (14 day return policy), Will Apple give me a hard time if I walk into the Apple store at the mall and ask to exchange it for a new model?
Will they dock me the 10% restocking fee for doing it? If they do that's like $110. Not sure if that's worth a processor upgrade. Or will they just exchange it, if at all?
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Originally Posted by RedDel

Dang I just bought my macbook 5 day ago. And it' my first mac ever. I'm still within my return period though (14 day return policy), Will Apple give me a hard time if I walk into the Apple store at the mall and ask to exchange it for a new model?
Will they dock me the 10% restocking fee for doing it? If they do that's like $110. Not sure if that's worth a processor upgrade. Or will they just exchange it, if at all?

If you bought it without customizing, Apple will take it back for a 10 percent restocking fee if you bring all the original packaging and documentation. If you customized anything (even RAM) they may not take it back at all, but it's worth a try (their return policy says they won't, but I've heard of them doing it for some upgrades). The new MacBook will probably include a draft n wireless card as well, if nothing else. They may also get rid of the hole in the bezel for the indicator light, as they did with the MBP C2D's.
post #18 of 92
Yeah I bought it stock, The $1099 model, but you think they'll charge me the restocking fee?

I could always tell them, and actually this isn't a lie, that I've been having problems with the machine not starting up and I keep having to reset the power management. Which is getting really annoying.

I thought I remember reading on these forums somewhere that Apple had some sort of future proof purchase policy or something, that if you bought a new machine a certain number of days before they release a new model you could return it for the new model?
post #19 of 92
I think the policy you're referring to is if a new model is released at a lower price than what you paid, within 10 days, you get a refund of the difference. I don't believe there's any policy for exchanges other than you can return recently purchased items within a certain time period and pay a restocking fee. (That's where Apple gets all the refurbs they sell online.)
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I'd love to see new MacBooks and even more hope that they go through a significant update. First I want a wide screen version of at least 15". The new machines should be able to accommodate at least 2gig of RAM. If we are really lucky the machines will also have a card slot of some type. Personally I'd love to see them give up on the internal optical drive and make the unit thicker and tougher. Maybe even put the OS into Flash.

Of course that is all dreaming, we are likely to just get a chip swap to Core 2. That wouldn't be bad of course, I'm just hoping for a slightly more advance revision.

As to the OS in flash, I'm motivated by the development of the One Laptop per Child project. Not that I think the goals of the project are all that noble but the idea behind their laptop is compelling. In this case we are talking about pervasive use of networking.

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Well then hopefully it gets some dedicated graphics or some more ram, because $110 for for just a processor upgrade probably isn't worth it.
Man I'm upset about this since I just bought it. Now I'll have to pay $110 more to get what I could have got for the same price if I would have waited a few days more. My first mac and already I get burned by Apple.
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Originally Posted by RedDel

My first mac and already I get burned by Apple.

True, they really should have checked with you before updating the

Or wait, this is just a rumor site and nothing's even happened yet. 8)
post #23 of 92
However if you actually look at the source of the leak on play.com the specs appear to me to be identical except the processor.

I think this is play.com guessing that a new MB is on the way, rather than any hard facts.

And whilst I'm bashing the reliability of yet another rumour Play.com is also reporting the MBP C2Ds to be released on the 13 Nov 06 too. A fact we know is not true. We know a MB C2D is coming one day but this is not at all a reliable source.

Are we going to have to go through this (i.e. endless and multiple threads on AI) for every single processor bump on the Intel roadmap for every single Mac model?
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Arghghgh I can't take it!! All this new Apple CPUs being so frequently updated and stuff!!!!

My theory is this: To keep up with MacBook demand Apple is taking a very very slight hit in cost by dropping in Core2Duos(Merom) rather than try and scrounge the Core1Duos(Yonah) from Intel. It's not about updating. It's primarily about meeting demand - the slight increase in cost (if any at all since Intel is in full flight of producing Core2Duos, maybe it has stopped or downramped Core1Duos) - is well offset by increased fulfilled sales of MacBooks in the October to December quarter.

Updated specs would be the icing on the cake though, Apple is going to have a friggin' blowout holiday quarter, yet again..!!

The Mac mini, is kinda bottom of the range, so I would not expect an update, since it's quite nice, dualcore Mac goodiness........... But who knows.

This new Apple scares me!!
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Also I'm trying my darnest to boycott buying Apple gear this Christmas. The Shuffle ships with older headphones and its clip is a bit loose. The iPod nano, I checked it out again today, its really really tiny! Cool but hard to handle because it is so small and the screen is small.

Damn. Must resist... Apple.... teh sexyback... Macs... iPod... core2Duo... nVidia 8800GTXXXXXX arghghghh I might cut up my credit card tonight
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*sniff* I miss my AMD64 Venice OC'ed 2.10ghz 6600GT OC'ed 560mhz rig a few thousand miles away. It's been three months. Let's see, I've gone cold turkey on games for 3 months, and haven't drunk a beer or vodka/other for almost 2 years, haven't smoked pot or popped ecstasy or sniffed amyl nitrate or nitrous for also almost 2 years. I rarely ever have more than a sip of my friend/parent/aunt's latte and I don't drink Coke/Pepsi. I do have some tea twice a day though.

Ahhhh, what a wonderful age we live in where a few psychiatric pills keeps the other more socially accepted recreational drugs at bay. And in Australia, US, UK for sure, how would one party down without that most famous and accepted recreational drug of all for those aged 15 all the way up to 95 ---- alcohol????!!!!!
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Originally Posted by sunilraman

*sniff* I miss my AMD64 Venice OC'ed 2.10ghz 6600GT OC'ed 560mhz rig a few thousand miles away. It's been three months.

And fortunately the word on the street is they're not letting you out any time soon.
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Originally Posted by RedDel

Well then hopefully it gets some dedicated graphics or some more ram, because $110 for for just a processor upgrade probably isn't worth it. Man I'm upset about this since I just bought it. Now I'll have to pay $110 more to get what I could have got for the same price if I would have waited a few days more. My first mac and already I get burned by Apple.

I sympathise with you and others in your situation. I hope for your sake the MacBooks aren't updated until Macworld 2007. Same as the Mac minis. Good luck matey.

It's 2AM Tuesday PacificTime USA. We'll see if new MacBooks pop up in several hours time if the usual Tuesday updates happen.

November is historically a *late* time for any new products in the Apple Christmas line-up.
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Originally Posted by K.C.

And fortunately the word on the street is they're not letting you out any time soon.

Hell I might not leave Australia at all! They might not let me back in!!!! Damn that one night I spent with that ultra sexy and hot Syrian couple in a drug-fueled orgy... Turned out the girl was a double agent for the US/Al-Qaeda (her true loyalty shifts like the wind- you know how the spy game is) and the guy was found dead a few weeks later. I think the Australian FBI/NSA/CIA (It's called ASIO here: http://www.asio.gov.au/ -- don't let the crappy website fool you) has got a file on me and is probably reading this as I type (ya bastards!! *shakes fist*)
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Originally Posted by K.C.

And fortunately the word on the street is they're not letting you out any time soon.

Since when do n00bs with 2 posts make fun of me...!! How dare you!!!!!
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Originally Posted by sunilraman

Since when do n00bs with 2 posts make fun of me...!! How dare you!!!!!

Sir,

I didn't think anyone with less then 1024 posts could even talk to you directly.

post #32 of 92
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Originally Posted by sunilraman

Arghghgh I can't take it!! All this new Apple CPUs being so frequently updated and stuff!!!!

My theory is this: To keep up with MacBook demand Apple is taking a very very slight hit in cost by dropping in Core2Duos(Merom) rather than try and scrounge the Core1Duos(Yonah) from Intel. It's not about updating.

But strangely the Core Duo and Core 2 Duo are the same price at the lower speed end up to about 2gHZ I think.
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Originally Posted by mrtotes

Sir,

I didn't think anyone with less then 1024 posts could even talk to you directly.


In the case you failed to notice, sunilraman is just joking. His new style leaves sometimes people baffled.
post #34 of 92
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Originally Posted by RedDel

Now I'll have to pay $110 more to get what I could have got for the same price if I would have waited a few days more. My first mac and already I get burned by Apple.

You may be new to Mac, but you gripe and bitch like the old ones
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The play.com website was a typo, as has been reported a couple days ago on other sites. Why does AI continue to print these kinds of obvious crap rumors?
post #36 of 92
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Originally Posted by Superbass

The play.com website was a typo, as has been reported a couple days ago on other sites. Why does AI continue to print these kinds of obvious crap rumors?

What do you guys think this does for the time-line of the Mac Pro getting the new Quad chip? I'm in the market for one.
post #37 of 92
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Originally Posted by RedDel

Well then hopefully it gets some dedicated graphics or some more ram, because $110 for for just a processor upgrade probably isn't worth it.
Man I'm upset about this since I just bought it. Now I'll have to pay $110 more to get what I could have got for the same price if I would have waited a few days more. My first mac and already I get burned by Apple.

I think that you should have checked this site, which is predicting MB updates by Thanksgiving. The rumor sites have gotten basically everything Apple has released before they did so lately (though admittedly the red Nano was only 1 day before). I'm guessing they'll update the MacBooks either today or next Tuesday.

Of course, there isn't really a reason to be upset by this, you wouldn't have bought a MB unless you thought it was worth the money, and it's still worth as much as it was when you bought it. No sense wasting time with what might have been.


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Originally Posted by Superbass

The play.com website was a typo, as has been reported a couple days ago on other sites. Why does AI continue to print these kinds of obvious crap rumors?

I think this story is being published because of the tipsters. When AI quotes product numbers, it is usually a pretty done deal, in my short experience.
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cmon 15 inch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Superbass

The play.com website was a typo, as has been reported a couple days ago on other sites. Why does AI continue to print these kinds of obvious crap rumors?

I hope it was a typo. I don't think my wife would believe that MacBook magically appeared in our house.
post #40 of 92
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Originally Posted by wizard69

I'd love to see new MacBooks and even more hope that they go through a significant update. First I want a wide screen version of at least 15". The new machines should be able to accommodate at least 2gig of RAM. If we are really lucky the machines will also have a card slot of some type. Personally I'd love to see them give up on the internal optical drive and make the unit thicker and tougher. Maybe even put the OS into Flash.

MacBook already can accommodate 2gigs of ram. (oops - corrected) Three gigs is probably not going to happen given the integrated graphics, breaking up a dual channel pair and all.

OS X in flash is not going to happen this year, and is almost totally unlikely next year. You can replace the HDD with a 16 or 32gig solid state drive yourself if you want to pay $750-$1500 for the drive. If you need a truly ruggedized notebook, you are probably best off with Panasonic's upper level of Toughbooks.

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As to the OS in flash, I'm motivated by the development of the One Laptop per Child project. Not that I think the goals of the project are all that noble but the idea behind their laptop is compelling.

Of course it's not noble, they are trying to induct people into the realm of social-communist software.
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