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iPod Shuffle (gen2): bent clip!

post #1 of 107
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Today I was wearing my iPod like the picture on Apple's Shuffle page:

When I stood up, I heard something falling on the ground. It was my shiny new iPod. But no big deal I thought - until I picked it up. The clip was bent like a piece of cardboard, and is impossible to get straight again. It still works, but as the dock is a precise-fit I can't plug it into my Mac any more. After all, I surely would not recommend buying a Shuffle at this time!

Expect some more pictures very soon.


post #2 of 107
That sucks. But if it bent that easily I'd think it would be just as easy to bend back.
post #3 of 107
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Originally Posted by BRussell

That sucks. But if it bent that easily I'd think it would be just as easy to bend back.

It's nearly impossible (by hand at least) to bend it back any further than I did (it was originally bent a bit more), I think because of the fixing to the body.
post #4 of 107
How ironic, I was considering buying one this evening, just made a post above this one. Thanks for the info!
post #5 of 107
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Originally Posted by praseodym

It's nearly impossible (by hand at least) to bend it back any further than I did (it was originally bent a bit more), I think because of the fixing to the body.

You could use a vice, along with a couple of pieces of wood to prevent scratches - but there is a risk of damaging the hinge.
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post #6 of 107
Whoa thank god I didn't buy one along with the MB I bought last Saturday.
post #7 of 107
bag news did it bend on impact or before it 'fell off' your pocket?
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post #8 of 107
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Originally Posted by mbaynham

bag news did it bend on impact or before it fell 'off' your pocket?

I suppose it bent the second it fell out of my pocket, because that could be the only way strength on the clip could be big enough to bend it (it's like over-opening the clip).
post #9 of 107
were you wearing a belt?

it must have been bent prior to it falling off.
If the clip wasn't bent, I doubt it would come off.
My guess is that it got caught on something like a belt.

The obesity epidemic in America doesn't help matters any.
post #10 of 107
It's a case of simple self inflicted damage.
Put a thin piece of aluminium in your pocket and bend over, it will bend, what else did you expect!
post #11 of 107
You could put something like a drill bit just under the bend and bend the clip back then.
post #12 of 107
I'm glad someone's making a "USB key" attachment for the new shuffle.

My advice: don't break your iPod, always worked for me (except for when it didn't that one time).
post #13 of 107
Apple web site indicates a "Jean Jacket" flap for attachment. I suppose that area has less stress from sitting or bending than the front pocket of a pair of pants. I am not sure this would make me not get one of these things for XMAS presents.
post #14 of 107
That soft a metal, it's a safe bet it bend when you sat down.

I don't see how it could have bend when it hit the ground… at least not like that.

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post #15 of 107
Maybe apple should be a little more careful with it's advertising. I remember the fallout from that G3 ad with the guy on the floating pool-chair...
post #16 of 107
I have the tools to un-bend it. I don't understand why this is a story. Aluminium bends. I guess it's a story because a lot of people don't know that, and are than surprised when it bends!

People these days don't know a lot of materials...
post #17 of 107
crap, i hit mine with a hammer, i'm going to sue apple, its mushed and the click ring fell off. talk about bad design. I knew I should have bought the FP3 player instead!!

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post #18 of 107
I suppose it's all based on how you were your trousers (pants). If you have the top of the trousers level with your waist, you should be fine because the pocket will be below your leg joint.
post #19 of 107
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Sure, aluminum bends. But isn't it a bit of a design flaw that it's possible to do that under normal usage conditions (I'm very cautious with my stuff and this was the first time it fell down)? A possible solution would've been to allow the clip to open more, so that the hinge 'absorbs' the energy which would otherwise be put in bending the clip.

And to reply to others, I wasn't wearing a belt and I'm certainly not overweight (and don't live in the USA either).

Besides that, any suggestions in repairing it nicely? The hinge seems to be very fragile as well and applying any pressure to the whole shuffle, e.g. by using a vice, will make the round part (where the headphone jack is located) lose its shape.
post #20 of 107
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Originally Posted by parky

It's a case of simple self inflicted damage.
Put a thin piece of aluminium in your pocket and bend over, it will bend, what else did you expect!

Yeah, you didn't see the guy in the advertisement that clipped it in his pocket sit down, did you? The advertisement said clip it to your coin pocket, it didn't say anything about sitting down.
post #21 of 107
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Originally Posted by praseodym

Sure, aluminum bends. But isn't it a bit of a design flaw that it's possible to do that under normal usage conditions (I'm very cautious with my stuff and this was the first time it fell down)? A possible solution would've been to allow the clip to open more, so that the hinge 'absorbs' the energy which would otherwise be put in bending the clip.


You'll have to get past the first wave of apologists who'll blame you or call you fat on the matter. But in the end then you are 100% right. The choice of metal to use on a clip needs to be pretty sturdy in order to retain its shape. And obviously the metal they used is a bit too flexible for something that has grasps on it and is meant to be clipped/unclipped often. And to those who think bending it back is easy then its not. i guarantee you that it will never be the same.

Keep us up to date on what you do. Im sure there will be others who have this problem and get accused of being negligent and fat before people actually realize the manufacturer may be at fault.
post #22 of 107
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Originally Posted by praseodym

The hinge seems to be very fragile as well and applying any pressure to the whole shuffle,

but the hinge was strong enough to pass on the stress onto the clip and bend it,

i've been looking at my shuffle and i'm surprised that your hinge did not break with all that force needed to bend the clip.

and sure the adds point to clipping it in tiny pockets...but you wouldn't leave it in your pocket when u wash and iron your jeans...
not that you did.... but just because you can clip it to tiny pockets does not mean u can forget about it.

i'm skinny and i know that when i sit with my keys in my front jeans pocket...they bend too
post #23 of 107
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Originally Posted by mini.boss

You'll have to get past the first wave of apologists who'll blame you or call you fat on the matter. But in the end then you are 100% right. The choice of metal to use on a clip needs to be pretty sturdy in order to retain its shape. And obviously the metal they used is a bit too flexible for something that has grasps on it and is meant to be clipped/unclipped often. And to those who think bending it back is easy then its not. i guarantee you that it will never be the same.

Keep us up to date on what you do. Im sure there will be others who have this problem and get accused of being negligent and fat before people actually realize the manufacturer may be at fault.

it's not obvious with a sample size of one! But I can see the website already - http://clippedbyshufflebentclip.com
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post #24 of 107
I just bought one today and wasn't feeling the shuffle, contemplating just returning it while paying the restocking fee. This bit of news makes me all the more likely to return it because I tried putting it in my minipocket and sitting down does exert a bit of force on the player.
post #25 of 107
Before trying to fix it yourself, have you contacted Apple about it?
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post #26 of 107
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Originally Posted by praseodym

Besides that, any suggestions in repairing it nicely?

Put something underneath it (someone else suggested a drill bit) and support it at the hinge end while applying force at the other end.

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post #27 of 107
try using two long nose pliers, preferably with felt wrapped around them to prevent scratching. if the metal's soft enough to bend like that, it'll be easy enough to bend it back.

i can't say i've had any problems with my previous iPods' sturdiness. my 1st gen Shuffle survived a 46 min wash cycle with only a flattened battary (kinda disappointing, actually, i wanted an excuse to get a 2nd gen one!), and my 3rd gen iPod, despite being thrown about in my bag for the past 3 and howevermany years, works fine despite a few scratches. does need a new battery though.
post #28 of 107
This is suspicious.

I don't see how a three foot (about 1 meter) fall can bend an aluminum clip like that. If the material is so easily bent, I can't see why it is not a simple matter to straighten it out.

Are you sure that clipping it to your change pocket and sitting down didn't cause the bend? I agree that you are not fat because wearing a shuffle like that in a seated position would dig into your gut and be uncomfortable. Don't ask me how I know, but I'll bet you can guess

We need to know ALL the facts before we can consider your recommendation to avoid the product.
post #29 of 107
But seriously, how the hell does sitting down bend it where you've bent it? Something would need to get in between the Shuffle and it's clip... What was that? Maybe you can reenact it and find out how it happened, and post some pics? We may be able to help a little better then...
post #30 of 107
Who cares how it bends when you sit down? If you carried a knife, pen, pencil, whatever in your pocket, something might go wrong if you sit down!!!! Everyone's put a pen in their pocket and forgotten to take it out, but we aren't suing the biro companies for bad design... It was designed to clip on to your belt, not advertised to survive stupidity. Get a grip and find something better to talk about.
post #31 of 107
If it really bends that easily then the new shuffle is f**ed up, it should be designed to handle every day usage which includes human movement. No one should defend apple on this. Cell phones and all kinds of other small gadgets are meant to take regular abuse so why shouldn't an ipod?
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post #32 of 107
Stamping on something is human movement.
post #33 of 107
yep! happened to me too, on day 3 of owning it. hooked it to my pocket, it bent. EASILY. fark.
post #34 of 107
I still don't quite understand how the clip gets bent...? Does somehow the material the clip is holding onto expand when you sit down?
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There's no way that clip was bent in the fall and impact, not enough mass, not enough acceleration, and no impact would have caused that bent profile. It failed either in bending (e. g. a beam), buckling (e. g. a column a al Euler buckling), or a combination of the two. IMHO, that failure could only have occured in sitting (i. e. creasing between the hip and upper leg) causing an axial force leading to buckling.

So now that it's bent, what to do? I'd suggest treating it as a beam, supported face up with reaction supports at either end (full width of clip), place a piece of metal bar stock (say 1/4 inch square), place bar between iPod and clip at apex of bend, apply uniform force (bar spans bend, apply equal force on either side bar stock) downward until straight (or you might overbend slightly, which will then let you place in a vise for final streightening).

EDIT, upon looking at you're photo again, and seeing the location of the bend (very close to the hinge point), it would appear that the clip was overbent (i. e. it exceeded it's maximum possible opening angle of the clip design). How far does the clip open to, does the top end hit the iPod itself? Or is there some other limit stop built in? Also, my suggested solution won't work, since the bend is too close to the hinge point, sorry.

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post #36 of 107
I don't understand how it bent in that direction. Did you have the clip facing the same direction as in the ad? If that's the case, it should've bent the other way.
post #37 of 107
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But seriously, how the hell does sitting down bend it where you've bent it? Something would need to get in between the Shuffle and it's clip... What was that? Maybe you can reenact it and find out how it happened, and post some pics? We may be able to help a little better then...

He bent the clip when he sat down. Clip an old spring clothes peg in you pocket. Sit down and I'll bet that it will fly off. The Shuffle because of its small size and obviously relatively robust clip, remained in part hanging in his pants pocket. However, when he got up it couldn't hold any longer with the clip now bent open.
post #38 of 107
I can't believe this is a story on the front page of AI.



post #39 of 107
Clipping the thing to a tight surface and exerting force on both sides of that surface in opposite directions to the tensile force is going to cause something to bend. Standing up, you exert no force. Sitting down (unless wearing very baggy clothes), you exert a force.

Would you rather have a piece of aluminum bend, or a piece of plastic break?

It is a shame that the dock requires the clip to be in its original position to work, but this griping is excessive. I hope Apple updates the dock, or offers discounts on the "keys" to people that experience problems.

Comparatively, my $500 blackberry comes with a holster that loses grip on the blackberry after ~6 months, allowing it to fall out. Does RIM offer a free holster replacement? No. If the failure of the holster causes my blackberry to become damaged, do they replace the blackberry? No. If I lose out on a $1MM deal because the blackberry was broken, do they compensate me? No. What they did was re-design the holster so it doesn't have the same flaw.

Apple (and everybody else) does the same. Usually without much fanfare.
post #40 of 107
looks like Hulk need titanium iPod...no?
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