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Microsoft Corp. said Monday it will begin selling television and movie downloads through its Xbox Live service later this month, beating rival Apple Computer to the punch as the first major player to offer a direct-to-television movie download experience.

The Redmond, Wash.-based software giant said it plans to offer over 1,000 hours of content by the end of the year, beginning Nov. 22 with standard and high-definition films such as "Mission Impossible III" and "Jackass: The Movie" from Paramount Pictures, as well as "Superman Returns" and "Batman Forever" from Warner Bros. Home Entertainment.

Television shows will include CBS's "Survivor," VH1's "Hogan Knows Best" and COMEDY CENTRAL's "Chappelle's Show."

Unlike Apple's iTunes, which charges customers a flat fee to own movies they download, Microsoft's Xbox live will only offer film downloads for rent. Customers will have a window period of two weeks from the time they first purchase films to they expire. However, once a customer begins watching a flick, they'll have only 24 hours to finish.

TV shows downloads will function similar to Apple's iTunes, with customers being charged a flat fee for a single download which they can watch repeatedly.

Although Microsoft claims it has approximately 4 million subscribers to Xbox Live, the new video download service is only compatible with newer Xbox 360 gaming consoles with the 20GB hard disk attachment, requiring a total purchase of $399.

Apple will begin offering direct-to-television video downloads early next year through its existing iTunes service and a device called iTV -- the codename for its wireless media set-top box projected to go on sale for $299 by the end of the first quarter.

Microsoft's has yet to announce its movie pricing structure. Apple's iTunes service charges $12.99 for new releases pre-ordered during their first week of availability, and $14.99 thereafter. Library titles cost just $9.99.
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What? You mean Microsoft bundled thier (media) browser with thier (gaming) operating system?
Oh man, where did they ever get that idea? \
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Okay is it just me or is this idea pretty lame? Most people who have an xBox will already have a tv they can watch well duh television on and unless the xBox comes with some encrypted software that does not allow DVD movie play back what's the point of renting a movie you download to watch on your television? It just makes no sense that you will be downloading tv/movies on a gaming console connected to your tv to watch on your television. Is it just me or is that a little redundant?
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Originally Posted by Feynman

Okay is it just me or is this idea pretty lame? Most people who have an xBox will already have a tv they can watch well duh television on and unless the xBox comes with some encrypted software that does not allow DVD movie play back what's the point of renting a movie you download to watch on your television? It just makes no sense that you will be downloading tv/movies on a gaming console connected to your tv to watch on your television. Is it just me or is that a little redundant?

Indeed. What is the point of iTV, then?

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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich

Indeed. What is the point of iTV, then?

To browse your digital hub on a television. I will for one make use of iTV to share my photos with. But you could also use to play music and other videos (presumably from Google). If iTV has the bandwith I will use to browse my music library that's close to 200GBs (yes they are all my albums). So iTV and this new scheme Microsoft is trying to get people to buy into is just a load of shite if you as me.
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich

Indeed. What is the point of iTV, then?

It means more competition for the poor cable companies. They've got to deal with telephone companies offering TV, Microsoft, Apple, and other convergence solutions (slingbox and similar.)
I think the real discussion is how Microsoft is able to get away with becoming a hardware company all of a sudden, like Apple, without too antitrust lawsuits to operate.
I expect Apple and Microsoft to lead and to buy up most of these technologies, (and Comcast will hire more software developers) but basically Apple and Microsoft. Until others are able to copy what they did, but by then Apple and Microsoft will be innovating in other areas.
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I dunno guys, it sounds to me like Microsoft's solution is a whole lot better than Apple's, at least for someone like me. $300 for an iTV when for a little more I can get an XBox 360 that will handle the same thing and allow me to rent movies? Obviously we'll have to see how the services compare after they are released, but as much as I love Apple products, they aren't reaching me with this one. I think owning movies is stupid (for me, I'm not saying anything about the merits of owning movies for you), since I rarely like to watch anything more than once, twice if it's good.
post #8 of 125
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Originally Posted by Feynman

Okay is it just me or is this idea pretty lame? Most people who have an xBox will already have a tv they can watch well duh television on and unless the xBox comes with some encrypted software that does not allow DVD movie play back what's the point of renting a movie you download to watch on your television? It just makes no sense that you will be downloading tv/movies on a gaming console connected to your tv to watch on your television. Is it just me or is that a little redundant?

2 answers, for TV: skip the price of cable, still enjoy your favorite shows. For Movies: skip the trip to the video store. Microsoft's plan is what I have been looking for. Plus if it's on the XBox, which is already connected to the TV, I don't have to worry about any connection problems, LAN bandwidth issues (I'm looking at YOU iTV), turning my MBP on (not an issue for people with desktops, but I don't own a desktop computer) just to watch a movie, etc., etc.
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Originally Posted by bdj21ya

2 answers, for TV: skip the price of cable, still enjoy your favorite shows. For Movies: skip the trip to the video store. Microsoft's plan is what I have been looking for. Plus if it's on the XBox, which is already connected to the TV, I don't have to worry about any connection problems, LAN bandwidth issues (I'm looking at YOU iTV), turning my MBP on (not an issue for people with desktops, but I don't own a desktop computer) just to watch a movie, etc., etc.

I still don't get it. Why not just get an iPod and hook it up to your tv? More variety on iTunes. Besides NetFlix saves the hassle of going to the video store
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HAH! Those here arguing about WallMart going beserk about movie studios going direct-to-consumer via iTunes Store, eat your heart out...! muah ahah ahha hhah hah. The other shoe has fallen, to horribly misuse some form of that metaphor...

Bloody Paramount and WB, they should be offering movies on iTunes Store by now!!! They're betting the active user base of XBOX360 will be renting lots of movies from them, and/or they don't like the discussions they've had with Apple, and/or they don't like doing what Disney is doing, and/or Microsoft is throwing more money at them, making XBOX360, XBOXLIVE, and XBOX movie renting more and more of a loss leader (ie. Microsoft is making more and more loss on the XBOX360 and these associated services at teh end of the day).

Hmmmmmm...... Fascinating, no?
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Originally Posted by Feynman

I still don't get it. Why not just get an iPod and hook it up to your tv? More variety on iTunes. Besides NetFlix saves the hassle of going to the video store

Hassle and cost. I'd have to buy a video iPod (I confess I'm planning to anyway in Jan., but let's pretend we're looking to see which solution is better for most consumers), buy a connector cable, then download my movies twice (once to my MBP, another to my iPod), before I can even begin watching a movie. Also, I'd still have to go wherever my computer is (again, I have a laptop, so I just connect my computer directly to the computer and skip the iPod, but many people don't have that option), I couldn't just stay in my living room like I could if I went with the XBox solution.

You're right, there is a lot more variety on iTunes, but how long will that last? (I'm not looking to solve my downloadable movie problem for at least 4 or 5 months, so I plan to sit back and wait). My guess is that a lot of studios will be more willing to work with Microsoft if they are more flexible on pricing, and we already know they are flexible on rentals, since that's what this service is.

Netflix saves me the hassle of the video store, but annoys me with a monthly fee that makes it more expensive than the video store for the number of movies I want to watch at home in an average month. Also, I'm not the kind of guy who knows when or what movie I'll want to watch. I only know when the night arrives that it's time for a movie and what I'm in the mood for. I'd love to support Apple in this, since I think by and large they make WAY better products than MS, but for consumers like me, MS's solution is looking a LOT better this time.

Final point, in case you didn't catch it, MS isn't wasting time with a lame 640 x 480 resolution for movies, they're going HD right off the bat. Face it, MS's solution is just going to be better for a lot of consumers, assuming a lot of consumers are similar to me. I like on demand movies from Comcast, but I hate how slowly they respond to rewind and play commands. Hopefully XBox movies will improve on this.
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Why not just get Netflix? All you're doing is "renting" the movies through this service anyway? And only 24 hours to watch it? Sounds kind of strict to me.
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Originally Posted by bdj21ya

2 answers, for TV: skip the price of cable, still enjoy your favorite shows. For Movies: skip the trip to the video store. Microsoft's plan is what I have been looking for. Plus if it's on the XBox, which is already connected to the TV, I don't have to worry about any connection problems, LAN bandwidth issues (I'm looking at YOU iTV), turning my MBP on (not an issue for people with desktops, but I don't own a desktop computer) just to watch a movie, etc., etc.

TV episodes are still flat-fee, so not much has changed. It really depends on what you are paying, but buying flat-fee for TV episodes means you don't need to buy a whole lot before it's more expensive than paying for cable. It's good if you don't watch much, but a very bad choice if you do. It may be good if you have no family or a small family, but the larger the household, the more untenable it gets. As it is, a one month multipass for one show from iTunes costs more than I pay for a whole satellite channel in one year.
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Trying to convince people to buy an xbox for use it as the central piece of their entertainment center using " hd 24 hours rent " its silly.
Come on, u buy an xbox cause u want to PLAY!!!!!
For media center we will have iTV, but let the xbox perform what it was designed best.
Its not a bad idea but lacks a lot of key features.
. Lacks of Hard disk size ( LAME 20 gigs + extra cost )
. Probably will lack of a simple to use browsing interface as Front Row (who knows what they will come up)
. Lacks of an echosystem, nothing better than iPod + iTunes and soon iTV ?
. With iTV I will be able to browse almost or all my media inside my comp, easy and painless and then use the xbox to kill noobs.
. Service only compatible with new Xbox 360! wth/lmao. So how they plan to sell millions of xboxes to try to catch iTunes store in sales.

Microsoft will bite the dust!

Please feel free to add more shortcomings to my list, i know theres more
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Originally Posted by staylor007

Why not just get Netflix? All you're doing is "renting" the movies through this service anyway? And only 24 hours to watch it? Sounds kind of strict to me.

Because as mentioned above, with Netflix you pay a monthly fee and you never know which movie in your que you will be getting..

Personally I think this is a great idea for iTunes... I have no desire to purchase movies.. I'd love the ability to pay a couple of bucks to rent a movie for a 24 hour period.


BTW: You have 24 hours to finish the movie once you begin watching it, but you have two weeks to actually begin viewing it. Fair enough IMO.
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Originally Posted by solsun

with Netflix you pay a monthly fee and you never know which movie in your que you will be getting..

That's not hard, just look up the queue on the site.
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I gotta say, Microsoft did a really smart thing here.

Why would anyone pony up $300 for an iTV to stream their standard definition Disney movies to their HDTV when they could invest that money into an xBox 360, assuming they don't already have one, which can do that and a whole lot more? My 360 is already connected to my HDTV. The ability to rent HD-quality films isn't something Apple could give me even if it DID spend $300 for their pretty little white box. And with the use of Connect360, I can already stream my music and photos to my xBox 360.

I think Microsoft just rendered the iTV irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by Cory Bauer

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The ability to rent HD-quality films isn't something Apple could give me even if it DID spend $300 for their pretty little white box.
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I think Microsoft just rendered the iTV irrelevant.

You do have a point.

I think Apple could rent movies, HD or SD, but that doesn't seem to be what they want to do.
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Originally Posted by Cory Bauer

I think Microsoft just rendered the iTV irrelevant.

You're kidding right? xBox appeals to mainly teenagers to young adults. Not to mention primarily the male population.

You think my father will want to get an xBox? Nope! Does he want an iTV? He will be first in line and has told me as such.

My point? iTV has as much widespread appeal as the iPod. A product for any generation.

Not to mention if all you get is a 20GB drive for the xBox and expensive add ons and you are renting your movies....how does that compete with with the iTV which broadcasts from you Mac (basicly unlimited storage as long as you buy the drives to suppport your collections) and movies you will actually own?
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Originally Posted by Cory Bauer

The ability to rent HD-quality films isn't something Apple could give me even if it DID spend $300 for their pretty little white box.

Personally I like to own the physical DVD but as the xServe RAID gets cheaper and cheaper with more and more storage I plan on buying one fully stocked and will download my entire movie collection (decently sized at over 300 movies) in as best as qualty as you can get. Then with iTV, at any given moment I could watch any movie whenever I want and not worry about paying a rental fee.
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No more iTV for me. I own a 360 (and I'm going to buy a Japanese 360 soon as well) and I'm more comfortable with the Xbox's plan (I'm more of a videogame fan than an Apple fan, though).
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Originally Posted by Cory Bauer

I gotta say, Microsoft did a really smart thing here...Why would anyone pony up $300 for an iTV to stream their standard definition Disney movies to their HDTV when they could invest that money into an xBox 360, assuming they don't already have one, which can do that and a whole lot more? My 360 is already connected to my HDTV. The ability to rent HD-quality films isn't something Apple could give me even if it DID spend $300 for their pretty little white box. And with the use of Connect360, I can already stream my music and photos to my xBox 360...I think Microsoft just rendered the iTV irrelevant.

Good points. Insert regulatory "Apple is teh doomed" here.

That's why I call head fake* with the iTV. Without Paramount and WB, without eventual HDTV support and streaming, XBOX360+LIVE will eat them alive when it comes to movies.

The iTV stuff shown is a brilliant slight of hand on Apple's part. Mockups at best -- something better will come out at MacworldSF 2007 January.

Otherwise their movie-TV strategy could be seriously p*wned. There's enough latency for continuing growth in Macs and iPod music/ tv shows, but the movie battleground and Vista madness, Apple needs to step up and represent in '07.



*http://en.mimi.hu/basketball/fake.html
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Originally Posted by Feynman

You're kidding right? xBox appeals to mainly teenagers to young adults. Not to mention primarily the male population.

You think my father will want to get an xBox? Nope! Does he want an iTV? He will be first in line.

Not to mention if all you get is a 20GB drive for the xBox and expensive add ons and you are renting your movies....how does that compete with with the iTV which broadcasts from you Mac (basicly unlimited storage as long as you buy the drives to suppport your collections) and movies you will actually own?

I think paying $300 for a box that will let one watch Standard Definition $15 Disney movies on your HDTV is an uneducated purchase. Apple will be losing an iTV sale to all those teenagers and young adults who already own or plan on purchasing an xBox 360.
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Originally Posted by Cory Bauer

I think paying $300 for a box that will let one watch Standard Definition $15 Disney movies on your HDTV is an uneducated purchase. Apple will be losing an iTV sale to all those teenagers and young adults who already own or plan on purchasing an xBox 360.

My father has an HDTV and has no intentions on downloading movies. Not all teenagers and young adults play video games. I am 24 and I just bought a Playstation 2 this year. I am a not a huge gamer. Do I have any desire to buy an xBox 360 so I could also use it for tv and movies? Nope. Do I have a desire to buy an iTV and the Playstation 3? Yup. (let's not get off subject about console wars)

Again, iTV does a lot more than just stream movies and tv shows.

Again, iTV has mass market appeal, the xBox does not.

Again, xBox storage is limited, any Mac plus the addition to nearly unlimited ammount of external hard drives is not limited.

Need I keep going?
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The thing I would be most concerned about with the Microsoft service is the portability. Sure, you could save a little money here and there by not buying premium cable and just downloading your favorite movies and or TV shows, but part of the fun of TV is talking about the show you and your friends (IF YOU HAVE ANY) watch. Most TV shows aren't available until the next day, by that time you have already heard what happened from about 10 people. I keep hearing people say they are going to get rid of cable and just download everything. I assure you channel surfing will cost you less than downloading everything you watch. Even the people that say, "I only watch a few shows" you lie... obviosly you were watching some other show and saw a commercial for the "few shows" Nobody woke up and browsed the iTUNES library and said... I NEED TO WATCH THAT MUNSTERS SHOW... you probably saw an episode before.

I am curious if you will be able to put these movies onto the new ZUNE or if it's just going to sit on the side. It looks like a completely different interface than the Zune Marketplace too... hmmm

The point of iTunes is to be able to take your media (music, movies, television shows, home video, pictures, etc.) with you anywhere you need it. It's portable. The iTV is going to be a hub for getting it all into your living room. I can't see families saying... hey!!! let's get our 14 year old kid an xbox 360 and use it to watch our favorite movies. GOOD LUCK WHEN HALO 3 COMES OUT. Kids (and some adults) play games for several days straight. I don't think the xb

The real bottom line is, if you can afford an XBOX 360 or an iTV, you probably are not that concerned about your cable bill. All companies are "crooks"... Microsoft, Comcast, Sony, and yeah... even Apple at times. Choose your poison and cheers!!!
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Originally Posted by donlphi

The point of iTunes is to be able to take your media (music, movies, television shows, home video, pictures, etc.) with you anywhere you need it. It's portable. The iTV is going to be a hub for getting it all into your living room. I can't see families saying... hey!!! let's get our 14 year old kid an xbox 360 and use it to watch our favorite movies. GOOD LUCK WHEN HALO 3 COMES OUT. Kids (and some adults) play games for several days straight. I don't think the xb

donlphi You bring up a very good point. Portability. What if I want to go to a buddies house and share my pictures with or a video I made, or heck even watch a favorite episode of tv that I happen to have on my iPod? Heck, we won't even need an iTV. The iTV is just a pretty interface to stream your files from your computer to your tv.

Explain to me Cory, how will you do this with the xBox?
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Originally Posted by Feynman

You're kidding right? xBox appeals to mainly teenagers to young adults. Not to mention primarily the male population.

You think my father will want to get an xBox? Nope! Does he want an iTV? He will be first in line and has told me as such.

My point? iTV has as much widespread appeal as the iPod. A product for any generation.

Not to mention if all you get is a 20GB drive for the xBox and expensive add ons and you are renting your movies....how does that compete with with the iTV which broadcasts from you Mac (basicly unlimited storage as long as you buy the drives to suppport your collections) and movies you will actually own?

Actually, my friend's mom is getting her own 360 for Christmas because she is playing Bejeweled on my friend's 360 24/7 and won't play it on a computer. Xbox Live Arcade has content that appeals to everyone. iTV doesn't do much that a 360 can't already do anyways (especially with the new dashboard update that no longer requires Windows MCE to stream video - from your computer - including hi def).

As far as standard definition video that you're streaming from your Mac...You can get an original Xbox and set up Xbox Media Center on it for about $70 which has alot more features than iTV ever will and already does that. It'll even upconvert DVD's and videos to hi def for you!
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Originally Posted by Cory Bauer

I think paying $300 for a box that will let one watch Standard Definition $15 Disney movies on your HDTV is an uneducated purchase. Apple will be losing an iTV sale to all those teenagers and young adults who already own or plan on purchasing an xBox 360.

Teenagers aren't going to buy an iTV anyway... neither will a college student. I would say it is going for that 25+year old with job stability, now I can buy that cool "fill in the blank". I could see buying one for my parents or even grandparents. They both have Apple computers (not that they would have to) and my siblings and I send photos, home movies, and more to them since we do not live near by.

Comparing iTV to an XBOX 360 is like comparing a Toaster to a Stove. Sure they both cook food, but it's a pain in the rear to scramble eggs in a toaster. \
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Originally Posted by posure

Actually, my friend's mom is getting her own 360 for Christmas because she is playing Bejeweled on my friend's 360 24/7 and won't play it on a computer. Xbox Live Arcade has content that appeals to everyone. iTV doesn't do much that a 360 can't already do anyways (especially with the new dashboard update that no longer requires Windows MCE to stream video - from your computer - including hi def).

I think very few people will buy an xBox just for 'arcade' style games. Again, not everyone is a gammer.

Are you forgetting that you're on a pro Mac site where the majority of users here fun only run the Mac OS?

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As far as standard definition video that you're streaming from your Mac...You can get an original Xbox and set up Xbox Media Center on it for about $70 which has alot more features than iTV ever will and already does that. It'll even upconvert DVD's and videos to hi def for you!

I won't be using an iTV for standard definition movies. When I buy my Playstation 3 I will have Blu-Ray which is high def enough. When I convert my movies from DVD to the computer I will be ripping them at the highest quality thus when I do stream they will be exactly that of DVD quality in both audio and video.
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There is a rumor that Apple will offer SD & HD content for Rent & Purchase when the iTV is introduced. We'll just have to wait for the actual release of iTV and then rejoice or cry as appropriate
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post #31 of 125
Part of the reason iPod was successful is people could load pirate MP3s on it, as well as their purchased AAC.

Likewise if iTV lets people watch pirate XviD files on their TV it might be more successful...
post #32 of 125
I think this a smart move from Microsoft
- it can only help boost sales of Xboxs
- it will help generate more revenue per Xbox
- it will help nullify the iTV
- and help the Xbox keep it's edge against the PS3 (do Sony have plans to do this?)

- it also helps to nullify Blu-Ray
- Bill Gates has always said that Blu-Ray / HD-DVD will be the last Disc format there will ever be - after this it will all be internet-based downloads, so now M$ is trying to move that forward before Blu-Ray has arrived.
- and it reduces the cost of watching HD Movies on the XBox
- no need to buy the HD-DVD now.

- if it integrates with Zune (maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but someday), then that's a great way for a teenager to get clips & tv shows onto their zune, to (potentially) share with their friends.

Given a choice of a $299 iTV showing SD 1.5MBit/s 640x480 Movies bought at $14.99 or a $399 Xbox showing HD Movies rented at $2, I think a lot of people with go with the latter, - if they're interested in games as well.

Of course, M$ also has the benefit that, unlike Apple, it doesn't actually bother making a profit on any of it's businesses other than Windows & Office. So it can reduce the price of anything it likes in order to drive out competition. So it could include the HDD in the $299 model if it wanted, and up the size of the $399 model to give more capacity for more large movies.

So, in conclusion, I'd say smart move M$, maybe I won't buy an PS3, iTV & Video iPod after all!
post #33 of 125
i do think that apple should price iTV more aggressively, because for 100$ more you get a full featured gaming platform, not to mention what soms persons can do with that hardware to turn into a normal computer.

225$ give or take 25$ seems more of a fair price to me.
post #34 of 125
"beating rival Apple Computer to the punch as the first major player"

They also beat Apple to the punch with their attemps at a viable MP3 Player, that is eating Apple's dust right now.

Being first will help them very little if at all.
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post #35 of 125
If you own an Intel based Mac or some later G5 iMac's you have something on your computer called Front Row! I can easily connect my Macbook to my television and use the remote to access all the media in my house.

'iTV' (code-named), is simply Front Row for the masses. Just like iTunes (and indeed the iPod) started as Mac only solutions, so too has Front Row been implemented as a Mac only solution. Like iTunes and iPod, Apple is also looking to take both the software and hardware that enables Front Row universal. The so-far-proposed 'iTV's' deferentiating factor is that it has HiDef output as standard.

So, you can already do what Microsoft is proposing now, with your Mac Minis, MacBooks, etc. The interesting thing here is that, as a media solution, Apple's Front Row already has superior functionality to Microsoft's XBox. With the XBox you can't acquire media from the local network within your home. Front Row does this automatically. What will happen, now that Microsoft is entering the frey, is people are going to explore Front Row's limitations, in comparing it with XBox's. A good thing! (BTW, I think Front Row wins hands down.)

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post #36 of 125
Lots of comments have been made here, most of them true, but you've neglected the money. An xbox will lose hundreds of dollars per unit, a subsidy wasted on most xbox customers unless they spend a lot of money on gaming. People downloading tons of movies won't make MS any money because they're competing with walmart and Apple who basically use content as a lost leader to entice other purchases (for walmart it's microwaves, guns, TVs and for Apple its iTVs, iPods, Macs). So, MS bleeds for even xbox sale. Let them have it. This is also why putting a Mac Mini in every living room for the purposes of being LESS than a computer is folly.

Apple will make $100 at least in profit for every iTV, and that device is one Steve-note away from direct Hard Drive connectivity (via USB 2.0), consequent direct-to-TV downloads, and High Def.

I agree, in the short run the price points are too close together (the customer doesn't care whether MS loses money on their new xbox), but that's where a price drop, VOIP support, wireless networking, and a robust entertainment/iPod ecosystem, etc. would all help make the case more compelling.

As long as Apple's ambassador to the living room does everything the xbox does (except gaming) and makes money instead of loses it, my bet is on Apple.
post #37 of 125
i like it. i think they are now a real contender. we've all taken our shots at the zune but i think M$ came up big on this one. as i was reading the article last nite i had that tiny little voice in the back of my head say, "oh, thats a good idea."

true it has its faults, but really...they're not playing around. by offering HD they put apple in the stoneage in one blow. plus, they have TWO studios, actual new releases (although i love Cars), and the ability to rent. oh yeah, and its already connected to your tv. right now. holiday 06. not macworld 07.

if this becomes portable with a zune, apple had better look out.

and i can see it now. in a couple years with a new chocolate xbox 1080 with matching chocolate 3G zune to match your burgandy shag and pistachio sectional...in your moms basement.

above all else though this will be a hell of a competition. the consumer wins. but for serious if apple wants to play they need to step it up...and soon. "pipeline" my ass, get it on the market.

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post #38 of 125
If you own an Intel based Mac or some later G5 iMac's you have something on your computer called Front Row! I can easily connect my Macbook to my television and use the remote to access all the media in my house.

'iTV' (code-named), is simply Front Row for the masses. Just like iTunes (and indeed the iPod) started as Mac only solutions, so too has Front Row been implemented as a Mac only solution. Like iTunes and iPod, Apple is also looking to take both the software and hardware that enables Front Row universal. The so-far-proposed 'iTV's' deferentiating factor is that it has HiDef output as standard.

So, you can already do what Microsoft is proposing now, with your Mac Minis, MacBooks, etc. The interesting thing here is that, as a media solution, Apple's Front Row already has superior functionality to Microsoft's XBox. With the XBox you can't acquire media from the local network within your home. Front Row does this automatically. What will happen, now that Microsoft is entering the frey, is people are going to explore Front Row's limitations, in comparing it with XBox's. A good thing! (BTW, I think Front Row wins hands down.)

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post #39 of 125
Does/will this work outside the US?

It still bothers me that you can't get any TV or Movie content on iTunes outside the US
- if MS cracked that one, that would be good news for those of us stuck in the old-countries!
post #40 of 125
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Originally Posted by Cory Bauer

I think paying $300 for a box that will let one watch Standard Definition $15 Disney movies on your HDTV is an uneducated purchase. Apple will be losing an iTV sale to all those teenagers and young adults who already own or plan on purchasing an xBox 360.

Who says that Apple will sell SD movies? They upped the resolution a few months ago and they could do that again when the iTV is released.
JLL

95% percent of the boat is owned by Microsoft, but the 5% Apple controls happens to be the rudder!
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JLL

95% percent of the boat is owned by Microsoft, but the 5% Apple controls happens to be the rudder!
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