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post #1 of 257
11/9/06 at 3:34pm
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With new MacBooks, New MacBook Pro's, new iPod nanos, new iPod shuffles, what do people see for MWSF 2007?

iTV is almost certain.
Widescreen iPod is possible, however, I think that remains unlikely.
iWork/iLife is certain (What do people think will happen with iWork/iLife?)
Everybody is hoping that Leopard is announced to be released very close to the time of Leopard's release. again here I think this is not very likely.
MacPros aren't usually things that are released at MWSF because they are pro products.
Cinema Displays could use a refresh, but again, I'd think that would be at NAB.

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post #2 of 257
11/9/06 at 5:53pm
Widescreen ipod
iphone
iLife/iWork with new apps included
iMac upgrade
MacMini new smaller format

iTV and Leopard will come in April/May like Steve said spring 2007.
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post #3 of 257
11/9/06 at 7:15pm
Aperture 2.0

iphone

numbers

upgrade to .mac.

8 core Mac Pro

ITV
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post #4 of 257
11/9/06 at 9:29pm
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Originally Posted by TednDi

Aperture 2.0

iphone

numbers

upgrade to .mac.

8 core Mac Pro

ITV

Aperture 2.0 will NOT come. 1.5 was just released a few months ago, and MWSF is a CONSUMER event, not a pro event. True Apple's pro computers can trump other products when it comes to consumer events, but Apple usually tries to avoid that as much as possible. Upgrade to .mac I agree with. Numbers I agree with (as part of iWork '07 for those who are lost), phone, I'm not sure if it will be ready.
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post #5 of 257
11/9/06 at 9:47pm
iTV Will be announced, cheaper than Steve mentioned, and pre-orders accepted. Will ship Mar/Apr.
Leopard will be announced, shipping April.
iLife/iWork revision - Speed increases, Massive updates to iWeb (HTML editor please!) and iPhoto. iPhoto will have resizing options as well as more editing options (plugins supported maybe).
Updated Mac Pros with 8-core processors.
iMac upgrades (possible case revision, it's been a few years).
Mac Mini upgraded to Core 2 Duo. Price reduction (≈$100)

New iPod 6G, larger brighter screen. Several movie studios signed up for the iTS.

One more thing (more like a hope...)
Apple UMPC or Smartphone with much better integration into iCal, iTunes, Mail, etc... than current options.
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post #6 of 257
11/10/06 at 10:22am
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They wouldn't announce Leopard 4 months before release. They will deff talk about it and reveal more features at the very least, but if they announce the release, it will be ~1 month later.
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post #7 of 257
11/10/06 at 12:54pm
MacWorld ends on the 12th, April would only be 10 weeks away, but I see your point. However, Apple did say Q1 of 2007 which could be as late as April. So if you anticipate April, you'll be surpirsed if they ship earlier ;-).
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post #8 of 257
11/10/06 at 1:07pm
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Originally Posted by Skwidspawn

MacWorld ends on the 12th, April would only be 10 weeks away, but I see your point. However, Apple did say Q1 of 2007 which could be as late as April. So if you anticipate April, you'll be surpirsed if they ship earlier ;-).

I wasn't saying they wouldn't ship April -- that is entirely possible (and rather likely), but I think that if they did ship April, it wouldn't be announced till march or pos. let feb.
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post #9 of 257
11/10/06 at 1:57pm
Greetings,

I was thinking about this the other day.

Recap of 2006 financials, Macs/iPods sold, growth of the company

Preview of Leopard, with some more new features as-of-yet revealed

New iLife '07 and iWork '07, including revamped Pages, Keynote, and new spreadsheeting Application; possible integration of these programs with Google.

iTunes; sales and movies, iTV

One more thing: 15.4-inch widescreen MacBook.
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post #10 of 257
11/10/06 at 3:06pm
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Originally Posted by icfireball

With new MacBooks, New MacBook Pro's, new iPod nanos, new iPod shuffles, what do people see for MWSF 2007?

Cinema Displays could use a refresh, but again, I'd think that would be at NAD.
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Sorry if this is a dumb question, I'm really looking forward to a new ACD,
but what and when is NAD - Google doesn't know what it is either.

Thanks
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post #11 of 257
11/10/06 at 3:24pm
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post #12 of 257
11/10/06 at 3:49pm
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Originally Posted by ianjoh

Sorry if this is a dumb question, I'm really looking forward to a new ACD,
but what and when is NAD - Google doesn't know what it is either.

Thanks

Sorry, I mean't NAB (National Association for Broadcasters). They have a big convention in April every year which Apple attends.
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post #13 of 257
11/10/06 at 3:50pm
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http://www.nabshow.com/
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post #14 of 257
11/10/06 at 8:06pm
Predicting:

Lots of talk about Leopard and iTV (and its officially announced name). Both can be expected later in quarter but no date set.

New true video iPod. iPhone. iLife and iWork '07.

One more thing...new mid-range headless Mac with room for two hard drives and lots of memory, high speed wireless for use with iTV, upgradeable GPU but no PCI slots. (Can't have everything.)

Sigh, back to reality now.
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post #15 of 257
11/10/06 at 8:29pm
macworld is also a mac event. Steve Jobs said, "lets get to the macs, after all this is macworld" or something like that in jan 06.

Starting with the obvious (this is the order i predict BTW)
iLife, iWork, .Mac upgrades
iTV

Then, because it is MacWorld
updated mac mini (design, c2d)

One More Thing...
updated iPod
maybe Leopard release (if not, then certainly more preview)
maybe iPhone (or iPod might be the same thing, I'm not sure how these phone rumors make me feel)

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post #16 of 257
11/10/06 at 8:30pm
Predicting:

Lots of predicting on AI

Lots of debating on AI

Lots of dreaming on AI

Lots of fun on AI

Lots of crushed dreams on AI

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Hopefully a Dreams Come True MWSF in January!

 

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post #17 of 257
11/10/06 at 8:40pm
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Originally Posted by DHagan4755

Greetings,
.... One more thing: 15.4-inch widescreen MacBook.

I'm going along with your thinking, except for the last. I think the one more thing would be smaller than the MB. Apple has yet to take advantage of the really low power chips. So - 11-inch widescreen thinner than 1-inch with 10 hour battery life.
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post #18 of 257
11/10/06 at 8:47pm
Hopefully we we see:

[1] The development of iWork into a TRUE work package:
-- improved Pages (books, linking docs, better graphics)
-- Numbers or whatever its called: no spreadsheet, no work
-- Database (again, not too macy, but functional)
>> Pages, Keynote, Numbers, iData

[2] Improvements to iLife
-- iDraw (basic drawing app to replace AppleWorks Draw)
-- more editing features on iPhoto (AdobeElements -esque)
-- many more iMovie themes, effects
-- iWeb 2 (faster, more styles, etc)

[3] Mini Mac Portable
-- Yes, they need to make a portable device and they would do it right

[4] Release of Leopard (Vista is ready...)

[5] iTV under whatever name they choose

[6] More movie downloads... in Japan, too, please!

[7] New iPod

[8] Free iPods for everyone
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post #19 of 257
11/10/06 at 9:26pm
I think people are expecting too many things and they will all get piss off and disappointed. Historically I don't think Apple announces anything beyond two new hardware products or new designs for current products at MWSF.
So is either iPhone and widescreen iPod
MacMini smaller format and iphone
and so on. 2 products guys
I agreed that software we will see updates for iWorks and iLife with new applications on both
as for Leopard is on the spring guys. Apple has no reason to fear Vista and speed up the release. We will see a better preview of Leopard at the conference.
As for iTV is also schedule for spring so I see no reason to rush it for MWSF.
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post #20 of 257
11/10/06 at 10:23pm
Apple shows some new leopard features. Leopard release in March, or June. (probably released at WWDC)

Apple pre announces new dual 8 core (16 cores total) Mac Pro's to be released in March. Processors used will not be Kensington, or Clovertown, but the following generation versions.

iTV and maybe an iTV & MacMini combo w/special pricing.

I'm to tired to keep guessing.
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post #21 of 257
11/10/06 at 10:43pm
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Originally Posted by ianjoh

Sorry if this is a dumb question, I'm really looking forward to a new ACD,
but what and when is NAD - Google doesn't know what it is either.

Thanks

Oh man, that brings me back to 7th grade. Nads. :P
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post #22 of 257
11/10/06 at 11:29pm
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Originally Posted by gugy

I think people are expecting too many things and they will all get pissed off and disappointed. Historically I don't think Apple announces anything beyond two new hardware products or new designs for current products at MWSF.
So is either iPhone and widescreen iPod
MacMini smaller format and iphone
and so on. 2 products guys

I agree; two hardware products at best. It's just fun to hope for more, even if that's not what will happen.

What makes anyone think there would be a smaller format Mac mini?! With iTV in the works, there's going to be serious need for massive storage in Apple's computers. It won't fit in the current mini.

The mini and the iMac are geared toward the consumer crowd iTV is intended for. If the mini was to change I'd expect it to grow a bit larger if anything, allowing room for a big 300-500GB hard drive to store all of the movies Apple wants us to buy. Apple is all about elegant solutions so they wouldn't expect you to have an external drive connected to your Mac just to enjoy all of the benefits of iTV. Would they?

All of this is what makes me think Apple needs to introduce a mid-range headless with enough room for the necessary storage required for a bunch of movies. Really, in the long run that means space for two drives; not just one. The mini would probably remain as it is, for buyers on a budget; not necessarily for iTV customers.

I know the mid-range headless subject has been beaten to death but iTV seems like a reason for such a Mac to exist. Perhaps Apple will continue to think the iMac is the best solution for iTV people. I hope not.
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post #23 of 257
11/11/06 at 2:14am
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post #24 of 257
11/11/06 at 6:31am
Sebastian- Great post. You've mentioned nearly everything under the sun.

I like your detail regarding software; well thought out. If a few of those things happen it will be great.

Don't expect an "apology" for iTunes 7. It runs just fine on my machines. I don't know what's up with the problems you mention but has Apple ever apologized for anything?

You start by confirming iTV as being the one and only hardware product to expect. Then you finish with one, or maybe two iPods and a MacBook. Hmmm.

Isn't the prediction business fun?!!
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post #25 of 257
11/11/06 at 8:14am
I disagree somewhat about iTV at MWSF; while NAB is primarily for broadcasting professionals, it's also the place to preview it to bigshots Apple may need in order to ensure a successful launch.

I think the big thing holding up iTV is the lack of a completed 802.11n standard. I don't think Apple wants to put the average consumer through a firmware upgrade if they can help it.
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post #26 of 257
11/11/06 at 8:20am
Just to amplify my last comment a bit further, keep an eye on what Panasonic is doing.

After the initial problems with DVC Pro video, Apple and Panasonic have managed to cooperate on a number of issues concerning video and computers. The early days of DV and computers were fraught with driver issues and video codecs until Panasonic and Apple got together to work out those issues. The late Charles McConathy (sp?) of ProMax also played a major role in getting DV to work on the Mac as well as it does.

But, I'll say it again. Keep an eye on what Panasonic is doing, and one might obtain hints as to what Apple is doing. Sony is a direct competitor of Apple's in a way Panasonic isn't; they haven't played nicely together for a while.
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post #27 of 257
11/11/06 at 12:27pm
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post #28 of 257
11/11/06 at 6:41pm
I wonder how this is going to work with the 802.11n. If it is presumed that iTV will be using 802.11n to received streamed content, I wonder how Apple will go about tying all of its other Mac products into the 802.11n fold.

Steve: "Yeah, those Macs you bought from September onward have 802.11n cards, and today Apple is announcing a software update that will make them work natively in the 802.11n standard."
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post #29 of 257
11/11/06 at 7:04pm
And for older Macs, iTV has ethernet for wired connection. That means me and millions of others.
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post #30 of 257
11/13/06 at 9:19pm
More features about Leopard, a revamped Mac Mini, iTV, and at the end....the big thing being the iPhone or whatever name they're gonna give it. The video iPod is coming this month (Nov.) just when the Zune thought it was beginning to "fly".
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post #31 of 257
11/13/06 at 9:32pm
The only way a new video iPod will be introduced before Christmas is if Apple has several million of them already stashed in a warehouse somewhere. Otherwise, it would be foolish to announce an iPod that people can't get in large numbers. Apple is hoping to sell millions, upon millions, upon millions of iPods in the next six weeks. They wouldn't want to screw that up.
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post #32 of 257
11/14/06 at 4:28am
If they just announce all the features of Leopard, I'll be pretty satisfied. They won't release it for sure.
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post #33 of 257
11/14/06 at 1:00pm
Apple just announcing new features is enough to take away the limelight from Vista.

While we all are secretly hoping that Apple releases Leopard/ships it by, say, Valentines day, I'm starting to think that just the feature set announcement will be simple.

I think I'll go list my wishlist for Leopard...

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post #34 of 257
11/14/06 at 3:24pm
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Originally Posted by iDave

The only way a new video iPod will be introduced before Christmas is if Apple has several million of them already stashed in a warehouse somewhere. Otherwise, it would be foolish to announce an iPod that people can't get in large numbers. Apple is hoping to sell millions, upon millions, upon millions of iPods in the next six weeks. They wouldn't want to screw that up.

That's true. Plus, Apple likely wants to get away from the Fall introduction schedule that they stuck to in 2006, carried over from 2005. Introducing a new iPod at Macworld will reinvigorate iPod sales at a time that they would normally experience a precipitous drop, like this year. One other thing that came to mind was the possibility that the new iPod could integrate in some way with iTV--it makes more sense to launch the two together if that's the case, rather than do things piecemeal.
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post #35 of 257
11/14/06 at 3:32pm
1. Mac Cube
2. Cheaper & Better Cinema Displays
3. Entirely new MacBook Pro

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post #36 of 257
11/14/06 at 8:00pm
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Originally Posted by Mr. Dirk

One other thing that came to mind was the possibility that the new iPod could integrate in some way with iTV--it makes more sense to launch the two together if that's the case, rather than do things piecemeal.

This is the only idea for a wireless iPod that I would consider good. But I doubt it will happen simply because the iTV is what? $400? An iPod on top of that would be $700 total, at least. OUCH!
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post #37 of 257
11/14/06 at 8:43pm
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Originally Posted by shanmugam

1. Mac Cube
2. Cheaper & Better Cinema Displays
3. Entirely new MacBook Pro

iShan.

Please give that cube thing a rest would you. The cube is dead. The Mini is faster than the cube was back then, so they wont make the Mini any bigger.
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post #38 of 257
11/14/06 at 10:33pm
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Originally Posted by Slewis

Panasonic? The last company I would expect to be studying as I never really cared to look at them. I'll be sure to do a basic background search though, but it may not be needed because Apple is leaving a nice trail of bread crumbs to follow.

EDIT:
Google News only turns up news about their Cameras, one of their Executives dying, and other electronics.
I assume you are referring to Final Cut Studio?

Sorry to take as long as I did to get back to you. I don't frequent AI much these days.

AFAIK, Panasonic and Apple are doing quite a bit of donkey-work to pump video onto your computer and elsewhere. It's not the type of work that necessarily shows up in a Google search; you'd have to visit some pro video-related trade shows to get the sort of insight you need for speculation. In saying this, I must say I haven't been to a video trade show in some time. So take my comments for what they're worth.

Anyway, the Apple/Panasonic tie-up goes back to before FCP was invented. Panasonic had made a VTR that debuted at SIGGRAPH (the AJ-D230) which had a firewire option card available for it. Using those VTRs to get video into your Mac during that era (anyone here remember Miro's cards?) was punch the buttons and pray sort of deal. This was before Apple and Panasonic realized that Sony was a logical competitor, and got together to make DVC Pro the format to beat in ENG and prosumer markets. I am greatly condensing here, but suffice it to say Panasonic can afford to research things Apple doesn't have the time or competence to research.

So keep an eye on what's going down with Panasonic. You may well glean clues as what might happen with Apple and video.
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post #39 of 257
11/15/06 at 7:37am
In Pages I'd like to see a feature allowing publishing of documents to a hard bound book just like we can do with iPhoto. Why is it that we can publish picture books but we can't publish books from Pages documents? This ought to be resolved.

I would rather Apple just preview more features of Leopard than have them release it prematurely. After all, well be enjoying all the stories of upgrade-hell the windows folks are going through. Let Apple get Leopard right before shipping it.

I'd also like to see some serious improvements in regard to the Mac Mini. If Apple isn't going to give us a headless mid-range Mac, they'd better step up and give us a Mac Mini that will actually handle the mid-range work. I've used a Mac Mini with a 23" Apple display and was underwhelmed by what I saw. This isn't excusable without a headless mid-range mac. Put in a GPU that can push a 23" display and not look cheap. There needs to be room for full sized hard drives. Capacity, capacity, capacity. Apple wants us to buy movies, and songs, download podcasts, and then toss in all the video we shoot ourselves and extensive photo libraries. It seems that Apple forgot the one thing we need with all of these increases in megapixel size and movie purchases. 200GB is the bare minimum for meeting the needs of a mid-range mac, though it's still an insult. 500GB ought to be the focus, 750GB if they are daring.
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post #40 of 257
11/15/06 at 8:18am
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Originally Posted by Sam Damon

So keep an eye on what's going down with Panasonic. You may well glean clues as what might happen with Apple and video.

I was hoping you were referring to their ultraportables (4 models weighing 999g-1490g, 9-15hr battery life, 10.4-14.1" XGA-SXGA+ screens. e.g.: the W5 model weighs 1199g, lasts 12hrs with a 12.1"screen and DVDRW drive, withstands weight up to 100kg. With the top Y5 model, you can even knock an glass of water over the keyboard without killing it). Plus, these are all built domestically (i.e. in Japan) for better QC. I'd have bought one ages ago if they didn't have the wrong startup melody...
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