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Intel Corp. on Tuesday officially introduced its Quad-Core Xeon 5300 and Core 2 Extreme microprocessors, each of which deliver four computing 'brains' inside a single chip.

Quad-Core Xeon 5300

The world's largest chipmaker said the new server-oriented Quad-Core Xeon 5300 offers up to 50 percent faster performance within the same thermal envelope as the previous generation Dual-Core Intel Xeon processor 5100 series, which launched less than 5 months ago at identical price points.

The new Xeon 5300 series is available at clock speeds ranging from 1.60GHz to 2.66GHz, with front side bus (FSB) speeds ranging from 1066MHz to 1333MHz, and thermal design power (TDP) of either 80 watts or a performance-optimized 120 watt option.

In the first quarter next year, Intel said it will launch two more quad-core Xeon processors -- a low-voltage version for ultra-dense deployments with a TDP of only 50 watts and one designed for single-socket workstations and servers.

Core 2 Extreme

Meanwhile, the Santa Clara, Calif.-based chipmaker said its new quad-core Core 2 Extreme QX6700 desktop chip is up to 80 percent faster than its previous Intel Core 2 Extreme Processor X6800. It's available at 2.66GHz with a 1066MHz FSB and runs on Intel's existing 975X Express chipset family.

The company plans to offer a mainstream quad-core processor starting in the first quarter next year under the Intel Core 2 Quad processor brand name.

A new era of performance

"Today's announcement ushers in another new era in computing," said Intel chief executive and company president Paul Otellini. "The capabilities of quad-core microprocessors will bring new possibilities for science, entertainment and business. I'm incredibly proud of what Intel's employees have achieved with these new products."

Intel, which began the transition to multi-core technology 4 years ago, followed with the introduction of the industry's first dual-core PC processors in April last year. It recently refreshed its entire product line by introducing over 40 new processors, including those based on its new Core microarchitecture, a more powerful and energy-efficient design.

Record breaking performance

The company said systems running its latest Xeon chips achieved several new world records for performance, including a SPECjbb2005 score of 210,065, a SPECint_rate_base2000 mark of 200, and a TPC-C benchmark score of 240,737 tpmC at $1.85/tpmC.

Of the two new processors introduced on Tuesday, Apple Computer in the near feature is expected to adopt the Quad-Core Xeon 5300 series to power its most brawny professional workstation thus far: a dual quad-core Mac Pro system, featuring a combined 8 cores of processing power.
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nice.
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shiny.
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sparkly
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As sweet as the current quad-core sounds I would rather get the 3.0 GHz Quad and wait for the Tigerton chips to ship with the Mac Pro before I got an Octo.
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the Tigerton chips to ship with the Mac Pro before I got an Octo.

You misunderstand what Tigerton is. Tigerton is basically the same processor as Kentsfield and Clovertown, not a next generation chip.
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Core 2 Extreme

Meanwhile, the Santa Clara, Calif.-based chipmaker said its new quad-core Core 2 Extreme QX6700 desktop chip is up to 80 percent faster than its previous Intel Core 2 Extreme Processor X6800. It's available at 2.66GHz with a 1066MHz FSB and runs on Intel's existing 975X Express chipset family.

The company plans to offer a mainstream quad-core processor starting in the first quarter next year under the Intel Core 2 Quad processor brand name.

*Crosses fingers* Midlevel tower someday! No wammy, no wammy...STOP!
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You misunderstand what Tigerton is. Tigerton is basically the same processor generation as Kentsfield and Clovertown, not a next generation chip.

No I think he knows what he's talking about...

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Holy Rigamarole!

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Does that mean that this upcoming desktop chip will go right into current macs??
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Yes, quad-core Xeons have been popped into existing Macs as a user upgrade--NOT a supported one, but apparently it can be done. I don't have the link but it was in the Mac press a month or two ago.
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Does that mean that this upcoming desktop chip will go right into current macs??

It depends on what you mean by desktop. Only the workstation version of the chip will go into the Mac Pro, which is a lot closer to a workstation class machine than a consumer desktop. The "desktop" version of the chip won't work in any existing Mac.
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Well those are conflcting reports?
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Well those are conflcting reports?

Is that a question or a statement?

It's not really a conflicting report. Xeon 5300 series chips will work, but desktop chips won't.

Here's the page where Anand has an eight-core Mac Pro:
http://anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2832&p=6
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I was referring to this line I guess

Meanwhile, the Santa Clara, Calif.-based chipmaker said its new quad-core Core 2 Extreme QX6700 desktop chip is up to 80 percent faster than its previous Intel Core 2 Extreme Processor X6800. It's available at 2.66GHz with a 1066MHz FSB and runs on Intel's existing 975X Express chipset family.
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I was referring to this line I guess

Meanwhile, the Santa Clara, Calif.-based chipmaker said its new quad-core Core 2 Extreme QX6700 desktop chip is up to 80 percent faster than its previous Intel Core 2 Extreme Processor X6800. It's available at 2.66GHz with a 1066MHz FSB and runs on Intel's existing 975X Express chipset family.

Core 2 Extreme won't work in any Mac that's currently sold.
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Thats a shame
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Holy Rigamarole!

Have you run out of italian pasta names already?
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Originally Posted by JeffDM

You misunderstand what Tigerton is. Tigerton is basically the same processor as Kentsfield and Clovertown, not a next generation chip.


Tigerton has two variations that we know of right now. There is a dual core version for dual processor systems, and there is a four core version for single processor systems but it is not the same as kensington, and clovertown. Kensington, and clovertown are 2x2 cores =4 on one die, and tigerton is a 4 cores on one die with a memory i/o controller. Tigerton could be used in an iMac. The processor in the MacPro could be a Tigerton Big brother that allows two independent 4 core tigertons on one mobo which is what I expect because intel is keeping a lid on the dueling for core processor they intend to introduce. Personally I think it will be introduced at MacWorld.
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Thats a shame

You're telling me.
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Tigerton has two variations that we know of right now. There is a dual core version for dual processor systems, and there is a four core version for single processor systems but it is not the same as kensington, and clovertown. Kensington, and clovertown are 2x2 cores =4 on one die, and tigerton is a 4 cores on one die with a memory i/o controller. Tigerton could be used in an iMac. The processor in the MacPro could be a Tigerton Big brother that allows two independent 4 core tigertons on one mobo which is what I expect because intel is keeping a lid on the dueling for core processor they intend to introduce. Personally I think it will be introduced at MacWorld.

Tigerton takes the dual Quad in excess of 2.66? I heard to about '3.5' gig? ish? So while the Octo may well be very tempting...for apps that aren't multi-threaded...you'll get an extra kick with Tigerton in Apps that are single or optimised 'only' for dual core. Tigerton may be the sweet spot purchase for next year.

What do you guys think?

That's maybe a leap worth waiting for if you think about an extra gig of speed per core. That's an extra 8 gig?

I'd wait an extra half a year for that...!

Lemon Bon Bon

PS. Remember when we used to complain about the glacial pace of PPC cpu development? This is alot more exciting...

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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Intel. why oh why do not try to make chip names a bit more complicated? Probably you can of you just try!

Is it so difficult to name them

Intel Core Solo at x Mhz (1 core)
Intel Core Duo at x Mhz (2 cores)
Intel Core Quad at x Mhz (4 cores)
Intel Core Octo at x Mhz (8 cores)
Intel Core 16 at x Mhz (16 cores)
Intel Core 32 at x Mhz (32 cores)
Intel Core 64 at x Mhz (64 cores)
Intel Core 128 at x Mhz (128 cores)
Intel Core 256 at x Mhz (256 cores)
Intel Core 512 at x Mhz (512 cores)
Intel Core 1024 at x Mhz (1024 cores)

and so on...

Why do thing righ when you can mess around?
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Does that mean that this upcoming desktop chip will go right into current macs??

Seeing that the Core 2 Duo can be a user upgrade in the Mac Mini, can any of the quad-core Intel chips be user replaceable in a Mac Mini? Or is the socket completely different? It seems like there was a story posted some time ago that this was possible...
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Seeing that the Core 2 Duo can be a user upgrade in the Mac Mini, can any of the quad-core Intel chips be user replaceable in a Mac Mini? Or is the socket completely different? It seems like there was a story posted some time ago that this was possible...

There isn't a quad for mobile computers, and Intel is changing sockets before there will be one.
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Intel. why oh why do not try to make chip names a bit more complicated? Probably you can of you just try!

Is it so difficult to name them

Intel Core Solo at x Mhz (1 core)
Intel Core Duo at x Mhz (2 cores)
Intel Core Quad at x Mhz (4 cores)
Intel Core Octo at x Mhz (8 cores)
Intel Core 16 at x Mhz (16 cores)
Intel Core 32 at x Mhz (32 cores)
Intel Core 64 at x Mhz (64 cores)
Intel Core 128 at x Mhz (128 cores)
Intel Core 256 at x Mhz (256 cores)
Intel Core 512 at x Mhz (512 cores)
Intel Core 1024 at x Mhz (1024 cores)

and so on...

Why do thing righ when you can mess around?

Because that doesn't account for different revisions (increased cache, added features, etc.)?
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Tigerton has two variations that we know of right now. There is a dual core version for dual processor systems, and there is a four core version for single processor systems but it is not the same as kensington, and clovertown. Kensington, and clovertown are 2x2 cores =4 on one die, and tigerton is a 4 cores on one die with a memory i/o controller. Tigerton could be used in an iMac. The processor in the MacPro could be a Tigerton Big brother that allows two independent 4 core tigertons on one mobo which is what I expect because intel is keeping a lid on the dueling for core processor they intend to introduce. Personally I think it will be introduced at MacWorld.

I have not seen Intel use the same chip code name for multiple released variations, especially for variations as great as that. The only Tigerton I know of is a quad core chip meant to go into four-way systems, making sixteen cores, marketed as Xeon MP, like this demo system:

http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/11099

It is possible that Intel had intended to have on-die memory controller in the conceptual phase, but it doesn't appear to be in the final product. Whitefield was supposed to have on die memory but I think that program was delayed or ended.
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Does that mean that this upcoming desktop chip will go right into current macs??

The Xeon 5300 series will. The qx6700 won't as apple doesn't make a traditional desktop. The Macbooks, Mac Mini, and iMac all run the mobile platform and there won't be a quad core available for a while. Then again for 90% of the programs out there, dual or quad core will not make any difference.
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Sooooooooooo glad we switched to Intel.

Allows Apple to constantly refresh!

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DO YOU THINK THEY ARE PUTTING OUT THE 8 CORE PROCESSOR AS I TYPE THIS MESSAGE? The store has been down for a while now.

Curious, curious, curious...

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I have not seen Intel use the same chip code name for multiple released variations, especially for variations as great as that. The only Tigerton I know of is a quad core chip meant to go into four-way systems, making sixteen cores, marketed as Xeon MP, like this demo system:

http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/11099

It is possible that Intel had intended to have on-die memory controller in the conceptual phase, but it doesn't appear to be in the final product. Whitefield was supposed to have on die memory but I think that program was delayed or ended.

"These products are still a ways off on its roadmap, but Intel already has working preliminary hardware for its next-gen Caneland server platform and Tigerton quad-core processor."

There is still only what I mentioned in intels roadmap. And until intel says otherwise. I will not jump to conclusions pre-prototype experimental systems. We have no idea what that is really. HOw hot it runs, or if it's going to get past the pre-prototype stage.
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"These products are still a ways off on its roadmap, but Intel already has working preliminary hardware for its next-gen Caneland server platform and Tigerton quad-core processor."

There is still only what I mentioned in intels roadmap. And until intel says otherwise. I will not jump to conclusions pre-prototype experimental systems. We have no idea what that is really. HOw hot it runs, or if it's going to get past the pre-prototype stage.

What you mentioned in Intel's roadmap? Can you provide links? I have no idea what a pre-prototype experimental system is, but that looks like a fully functional system as it is. A live demo with working silicon tells me they are pretty far along. Generally, that far along and it's way too late to add major features or make other significant changes. Nor does Intel make a habit of letting outsiders snap pictures of products or show the systems off unless it's reasonably close to done. I'm not seeing any indication that what is code-named Tigerton would ever end up in any successor to Apple's current products, except for a four-socket Xserve or an extreme version of Mac Pro costing more than $10k because four socket computers are never cheap.
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