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Report: AMD-based Apple notebook in the works

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A report published by the always intriguing DigiTimes on Thursday claims that Apple Computer is teaming up with chipmaker AMD to deliver a new notebook that will employ AMD chips rather than those from Intel.

The publication cites Taiwan-based sources in the passive component industry as witnessing an aggressive increase in orders for high-capacitance multi-layer ceramic capacitors (MLCCs) supposedly en-route for an AMD-based Apple notebook.

"For this new notebook, about 70 22&#181F MLCCs will be required, with Japan-based Murata Manufacturing, Taiyo Yuden and TDK being the three major suppliers," DigiTimes sources reportedly said.

In supporting its claims, the publication cites statements by AMD chief executive Hector Ruiz, who in September said Apple would eventually become one of AMD's customers. It also notes the recent merger between AMD and ATI Technologies as making the "speculation more convincing," because the graphics solutions specialist has been a longtime partner of Apple's.

However, DigiTimes hedges its bets by noting that "some motherboard makers are doubtful about any AMD and Apple partnership, with the makers noting the performance advantage Intel currently enjoys over AMD, especially for the Core 2 Duo processor compared with AMD's present CPU lineup."

"AMD is also considered to have insufficient capacity," those motherboard makers reportedly said.

DigiTimes goes on to say that sources at Taiwan server makers suggested that Apple could alternatively apply AMD's x86 socket chips to its Xserve line.

"In light of the fact AMD's market share in the server segment is likely to reach 20 percent, a partnership between the two companies seems reasonable," the report states.

Editor's note: DigiTimes has not been particularly accurate in its predictions of future Apple product directions and technologies.
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Definitely not in their consumer line. In the world where Apple makes the choice for you (and all the better because of it) it ain't gonna happen.
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Let me be the first to say: Bullshit.

However, in the long run, yes - I believe it will happen. 3-5 years time. And by then we won't be needing any new software for it.
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Total BS
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if it isn't complete BS, I would think that it might be possible that Apple will use the AMD chip in their ultra-portable, if they release one at Macworld in Jan.
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Originally Posted by Barabas

Let me be the first to say: Bullshit.

However, in the long run, yes - I believe it will happen. 3-5 years time. And by then we won't be needing any new software for it.

Yeah it will happen after we see a G5 PowerBook.
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Originally Posted by aiolos

if it isn't complete BS, I would think that it might be possible that Apple will use the AMD chip in their ultra-portable, if they release one at Macworld in Jan.

Why wouldnt they use one of Intel's Ultra Low Voltage Core chips:

U1400 65 nm 2 MB L2 1.20 GHz 533 MHz 5.5W
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U1300 65 nm 2 MB L2 1.06 GHz 533 MHz 5.5W
post #8 of 74
Why? Intels mobile chips are the crown jewels of their products and significantly better than what AMD can offer. I dont' understand this one.
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Heh...they're putting the Turion 64 X2 into really BIG iPhones...

Yeah, I call BS on this one too. I can't see Apple diluting their volume discounts from Intel to pursue lesser AMD mobile chips.

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Not going to happen, I don't think.

The reason Apple went with Intel in the first place is so that they could have one-place shopping with world-class products (and no shortages). Intel currently delivers on all counts.

Also I have a feeling Apple is currently Intel's "best buddy" -- they seem to get all the high-end chips they need or want, while others have a hard time getting enough 2.33 GHz Meroms, for example. Some people say that Dell is going AMD because they don't feel as loved by Intel as they once were (before Apple came along) anymore...
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Using AMD would be good for Apple in that it would allow for better video card options etc... and allow for less expensive notebooks using AMD processors.

Be nice if Apple would use chip sets like the Nforce and Crossfire. By doing this Apple could compete better and make the Macs look more attractive.

I still don't understand why Apple does not have an SLI or Crossfire solution. Apple needs more hardware options. PC hardware is driving tech so why not use it?
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Originally Posted by philby

Not going to happen, I don't think.

The reason Apple went with Intel in the first place is so that they could have one-place shopping with world-class products (and no shortages). Intel currently delivers on all counts.

Also I have a feeling Apple is currently Intel's "best buddy" -- they seem to get all the high-end chips they need or want, while others have a hard time getting enough 2.33 GHz Meroms, for example. Some people say that Dell is going AMD because they don't feel as loved by Intel as they once were (before Apple came along) anymore...

Fully agree.

The ONLY thing AMD have over Intel at the moment is the PROSPECT of tight graphics integration thanks to their RECENT purchase of ATI, SOMEDAY out in the future. Sure, I'd love to see CPU level fabrication applied to the GPU as well, especially if they follow the multicore trend and share the same die. But when is this going to happen? 2007 I think not. Eventually it's a given though, but Intel are in a fine position to bring it about for themselves given their own in house graphics and whatever nVidia decide to do long term.

Before my Mac days I used to really like AMD. Their brand new Athlon came from nowhere and was kicking ass. These days I respect Intel because they deliver, and keep an eye on AMD because of what they're surely up to with ATI. But my "rootin' for the small guy" allegiance is begining to the drift to nVidia. I wonder how they're going to ride the single die wave.

Anyway, Apple would be mad to remain Intel exclusive forever if AMD came back into advantage. But they'd be just as mad right now to bust their karma with Otellini and rush for the second rate processors AMD currently supply in decidedly shaky batches. So this particular story is indeed supreme BS.
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Originally Posted by jameshopkins

Total BS

How is this any different from the initial reactions to the rumors of Apple's Intel switch, which later proved to be true?

Or Apple making video iPods?
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Intel currently lose out to the Opteron on anything past the Quads so in the server market it makes some sense. Apple aren't really in the 8 core server market though.

In the consumer market? AMD in laptops? No sense at all.
post #15 of 74
No way. They don't want to add any confusion to the mix so soon after switching to Intel. non-nerd customers would be scared of what they would view as another confusing change.
Maybe in five years, but definitely not now.

I listened to a TWiT podcast the other day that played an old show where Leo Laporte was saying the change to Intel will be the end of Apple and Dvorak was saying the opposite.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider

Editor's note: DigiTimes has not been particularly accurate in its predictions of future Apple product directions and technologies.

Understatement of the year!
post #17 of 74
This news has surfaced before also but from a different angel:

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...threadid=67001

There were a lot of comments on this before, its amazing how this keeps coming back again and again..
post #18 of 74
Yep, not gonna happen. Intel and Apple are bed buddies 4-ever! Smooches!
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Originally Posted by Mr. A

This news has surfaced before also but from a different angel:

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...threadid=67001

There were a lot of comments on this before, its amazing how this keeps coming back again and again..

So, during a dinner speech Hector Ruiz said "Everybody wants choice. Knowing Apple, why would they want to be held hostage like everyone else has been?"

Apple could use AMD x86 processors eventually, if they see fit, and Hector Ruiz says he doesn't have a problem with that, but at the moment there is nothing tangible about this claim.
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"Not bloody likely!"

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post #21 of 74
in the server segment Yes!

XServe will be cool if they offer in Quad Xeon and Opetron, let the Enterprise choose what they want. With AMD XServer Opetrons will be good for Performace for price.

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Originally Posted by backtomac

Why? Intels mobile chips are the crown jewels of their products and significantly better than what AMD can offer. I dont' understand this one.

If Apple did use an AMD chip in a laptop, I'm sure Apple's web site would display benchmarks showing the AMD chip to be faster than the Intel chip.
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Originally Posted by MacTel

Yep, not gonna happen. Intel and Apple are bed buddies 4-ever! Smooches!

No way. Intel is evil and their processors can't even divide numbers correctly. Dell is an Intel whore! PowerPC rules!!
post #24 of 74
This story would have been a bit easier to bite onto had they said desktops, but there is no way apple is gonna choose turion over merom. There is no way that is gonna happen, and I just lost ALL respect for digitimes for even saying that.

AI: Do me a favor and never post anything from digitimes again. They are a worthless company that needs to be taken out to the backyard and hit over the head with a shovel.

 

 

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How is this any different from the initial reactions to the rumors of Apple's Intel switch, which later proved to be true?

Or Apple making video iPods?

Because this is coming from the "always accurate" DigiTimes and because it makes absolutely no sense given how far ahead Intel is with notebook technology.
post #26 of 74
I could have believed that Apple would have picked AMD over Intel at the switch but not now. Apple can't afford to lose Intel and I think that using AMD would annoy them sufficiently. Plus there's no reason to. Price to performance ratios are good, supply is good, updates are fast and AMD has little to no advantage over that.
post #27 of 74
what would happen to intel's EFI?

isn't OSX the only OS that supports it now or does linux?
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Some linux distros support EFI using ELILO boot loader..... some future version of vista 64 will too.... who knows when.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Haggar

How is this any different from the initial reactions to the rumors of Apple's Intel switch, which later proved to be true?

Or Apple making video iPods?

Because Steve Jobs like to say he has seen the road map over and over and over and over, etc.

Plus, AMD has nothing that competes with Intels mobil chips.
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Originally Posted by Haggar

If Apple did use an AMD chip in a laptop, I'm sure Apple's web site would display benchmarks showing the AMD chip to be faster than the Intel chip.

Why? Did Apple hire Rumsfeld?
post #31 of 74
Hold on, let me get this straight:

Apple is ordering a lot of 22uF MLCC caps. . .

which means? MLCC (multi-layer ceramic chip) capacitors are all the rage in contemporary efforts to reduce size and improve performance. But still, the only way you can get a 22uF MLCC cap is by selecting a model with poor temperature stability, large size, or poor voltage tolerance. So the tipsters expect that the parts have poor voltage tolerance, which should be OK since modern VLSI operates at such low voltages, and that the only possible way to utilize seventy of them is in a design with a large CPU+GPU SoC. For something like the iPhone, there doesn't seem to be any logical reason to use 22uF caps at all, but maybe I could be proven wrong.

Anyway, here's the bottom line: if the AMD reference design indeed calls for 70x 22uF MLCCs, and if you're in the market to buy a motherboard for one of these, DON'T GO CHEAP. 22uF MLCCs run a premium, and it's worth paying for good ones.
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post #32 of 74
I wonder is Apple has a version of OS X running on AMD chips? In fact, Same for Sun's chips and others as well..

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Originally Posted by Mkane

Using AMD would be good for Apple in that it would allow for better video card options etc...

Wait, what?

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and allow for less expensive notebooks using AMD processors.

I have news for you: the MacBooks, which you seem to imply aren't cheap enough, are Apple's hottest sellers. They have not a single reason to attempt to lower their prices.
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Originally Posted by Chucker

Wait, what?

You know......


I have news for you: the MacBooks, which you seem to imply aren't cheap enough, are Apple's hottest sellers. They have not a single reason to attempt to lower their prices.

Why lower the price when sheep buy them? LOL!!!

Anyway Apple needs a more hardware options and AMD would be a good start.
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article is bullshit
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Understatement of the year!

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I wonder is Apple has a version of OS X running on AMD chips?

- Mark

i think amd use the same processor architecture, or what ever its called, as intel. so it wouldnt really need a different build.
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