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Apple Computer is reported to be closing in on a deal that would at long last bring the Beatles music catalog online and to its iTunes music service.

According to Fortune magazine, the two parties have momentarily pushed aside their differences and are currently in talks over making iTunes the exclusive online music store for the English rock group, at least for a limited time.

Word of the talks come on the heels of comments by David Munns, head of EMI North America, who recently told an industry conference that the Beatles would be available online "soon."

To date, the Beatles remain the most prestigious and highly acclaimed musical talent without a digital download presence, turning down earlier bids from Apple's iTunes and rivals such as Microsoft Charts and Real's Rhapsody.

If the latest round of discussions do bear fruition, Fortune claims EMI would serve as a peacemaker between Apple chief executive Steve Jobs -- who is personally involved in the talks -- and Neil Aspinall, the Beatles business interests manager under its rubric Apple Corps.

"Also being discussed is whether the band would be willing to take two steps at the same time and endorse the iPod by allowing its music to be used in a commercial," the report states.

Another scenario reportedly up for discussion is the prospect of the Beatles following U2's example with a branded iPod. However, Fortune notes that the "deal could well fall apart for any number of reasons," including the ongoing legal spat between Apple Corps and the Cupertino, Calif.-based iPod maker.

In the latest bout, Apple Corps earlier this year argued in front of London's High Court that the introduction of iTunes broke a $26 million, 15-year-old settlement under which Apple agreed to steer clear of the music business, for which the Beatles company retains the famous 'Apple' trademark.

In May, the court ruled in favor of Apple, saying its use of the Apple logo alongside the iTunes service was "fair and reasonable" and did not violate the 1991 agreement between the two companies. Apple Corps was ordered to foot Apple Computer's legal bill, estimated at £2m.

Apple Corps has appealed the case, in which a hearing is scheduled for next February.
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This is definetly cool. i am not a beatles fan myself but i know enough that this would be a huge draw to itunes and ipod at just the right time.
post #3 of 67
This would be pretty awesome. I can imagine a lot more people going for the Beatles iPod than the U2 one, but even getting their music online would be an impressive feat.
post #4 of 67
This is great news! I'm a Beatles fan and I've always wanted Apple to put the Beatles collection on the iTunes Store. I hope this deal goes through.
post #5 of 67
So. Clean-cut 1960s Beatles? Or grungy 1970s Beatles?

Maybe they can do the TV Guide route and have one for each. Even better, each Beatle gets an iPod. Buy all 4 kids!
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post #6 of 67
what is microsoft charts? another music service? i thought they had URGE, msn music, and zune marketplace.
post #7 of 67
but getting back on subject, beatles catalog on itunes would be huge. maybe apple corps will get off apple computer's back once they start working together to make money, instead of suing again and again.

apple computer should just have chosen another name. there are plenty of fruits
post #8 of 67
Frankly, this is way too late. In the 5+ years this technology has been around, thousands, if not millions, like me have already downloaded on to their iTunes library pretty much all the Bealtes we need/want. (Speaking for myself, I will not download a single Beatles tune from iTMS.)

That is the price of arrogance.
post #9 of 67
Jeezzzz. A monkey could tell the difference between both Apple logos.
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i have to agree that, if you are a beatles fan, you likely have many of their albums on CD, and by now, if you have an iPod, you've ripped them to your iPod already. And plus, haven't every single studio recording, rarity, etc. already been released as well? so who exactly is left who will buy these tracks?
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post #11 of 67
I'm sure the Beatles would get a nice fat piece of each Beatle iPod sold. A little extra for hush money.
post #12 of 67
Welllll... from my understanding there is supposedly a new Beatles album coming out that has caused quite a raucus.
Talk about gaining even more marketshare if it were to make its debut on iTMS.
post #13 of 67
From what I've read and seen (on a couple of entertainment shows), long-time producers are "cleaning up" and remixing the entire catalog. And I'm sure there'll be at least a couple "new" CDs to come. It's almost standard with long-time favs like the Beatles.

I think there'll be tons of fans that will simply buy from the iTMS because they want everything by the Beatles. And like another poster already wrote, IF there is a special Beatles iPod, it will outsell U2 by lots. I don't see myself buying any of their stuff. Hell, I think I've bought only a handful of songs from the iTMS since its inception. There isn't one artist that I'd truly go out of my way to buy online. I live or work within ten minutes of used CD shops and get new material usually the same day is commercially available.
post #14 of 67
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Originally Posted by SoopaDrive

Welllll... from my understanding there is supposedly a new Beatles album coming out that has caused quite a raucus.
Talk about gaining even more marketshare if it were to make its debut on iTMS.

I think you're referring to "Love," a CD of music for Cirque's show set to Beatles music. If I'm not mistaken, it came out last week (or was scheduled to anyway).
post #15 of 67
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Originally Posted by ronn

I think you're referring to "Love," a CD of music for Cirque's show set to Beatles music. If I'm not mistaken, it came out last week (or was scheduled to anyway).


Yep, on the shelves as we speak!

Still, a huge coup for Apple if they can get the Beatles to come onboard. And if they could get Sir Pauls endorsement on an iPod everyone else would just be sucking wind - and would show the world just how entrenched Apples market share is!
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post #16 of 67
if they simultaneously released a "complete collection" like they did for U2 it would pretty much be the greatest thing ever. If they release it with a simultaneous 6G widescreen pod with signitures on the back, i'll realize that i died in a plane crash on the way to san fran and that im in heaven.

if i was microsoft this is the first thing i would have done, before even thinking of making mp3 player. Then i would have put some thought into making an mp3 player.
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post #17 of 67
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Originally Posted by rok

i have to agree that, if you are a beatles fan, you likely have many of their albums on CD, and by now, if you have an iPod, you've ripped them to your iPod already. And plus, haven't every single studio recording, rarity, etc. already been released as well? so who exactly is left who will buy these tracks?


And that is why the Beatles are the most illegally downloaded band on the web if everyone already has the music???

If you really want to hear something amazing. Listen to the new LOVE sondtrack loud on 5.1. Aside from a few "jup cuts" in my opinion, the music has NEVER sounded so good, so crisp so modern. With the iTunes thing and the entire remastered catalogue..wow.. But I will get the CDs and not download from iTunes. I want the 5.1 mixes.
post #18 of 67
McCartney needs some more ££ for his divorce...
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post #19 of 67
So...

1. Don't sell your music online, even when constantly courted by the most popular music-download service.
2. Refuse to get free advertising, buzz, and guaranteed future sales that come with having a customized version of the most popular electronic product on the market.
3. ???
4. Profit!
post #20 of 67
Worst case scenario he'll still be a billionaire after the settlement.
I have no sad feelings for the man.
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Jeezzzz. A monkey could tell the difference between both Apple logos.

No, it's "even a moron in a hurry could tell the difference between the two companies." A great quote from the recent trial that Apple Computer v Apple Corps won.
post #22 of 67
Hope this pans out. I'd really love to get some of the rare early recordings of the Beatles (such as the early Germany recordings).

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post #23 of 67
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And that is why the Beatles are the most illegally downloaded band on the web if everyone already has the music???

wow, there were so many leaps in logic in that one statement to join the point A (premise) and B (conclusion), it should be an olympic sport (what would be a good name for an event takes a conclusion that is compiled of a ridiculous number of factors, yet boils it down to a rudimentary 1:1 factual-esque ratio, and dares you to waste scads of time trying to disprove it?).

that post alone would take the gold medal.
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post #24 of 67
The Beatles on iTunes:

Honestly, I personally could care less - my sizable Beatles collection doesn't need the addition of heavily compressed tracks.

The Beatles branded iPod:

If done right, I'd buy it in a second... just give me the classic "The Beatles" logo surrounded by autographs engraved on the back and I'm sold... need to replace my 3rd gen iPod sometime in the near future anyway.

What I really want:

Just give me The Beatles albums on 2-channel 192 KHz DVD-Audio or SACD and I'd be in heaven... if they want to (in addition) experiment with 5.1 mixes, fine, but good old stereo is how it's meant to be heard.
post #25 of 67
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Originally Posted by rok

wow, there were so many leaps in logic in that one statement to join the point A (premise) and B (conclusion), it should be an olympic sport (what would be a good name for an event takes a conclusion that is compiled of a ridiculous number of factors, yet boils it down to a rudimentary 1:1 factual-esque ratio, and dares you to waste scads of time trying to disprove it?).

that post alone would take the gold medal.


the point is real..that even though so many Beatles albums and CDs have been sold, there is a very big audience for the music digitally. Granted these are free downloads, and I know everyone would not go purchase the music, but as we have seen with iTunes, many who previously "borrowed" music for free from sites now purchase that music because it is easy and reasonable priced....and fairly good quality.
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but getting back on subject, beatles catalog on itunes would be huge. maybe apple corps will get off apple computer's back once they start working together to make money, instead of suing again and again.

apple computer should just have chosen another name. there are plenty of fruits

That was a personal thing for Jobs. If it can be believed, he came up with the name after driving home with Woz after spending a summer working in a apple orchard, or something like that. He's a vegetation.
post #27 of 67
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Originally Posted by rok

i have to agree that, if you are a beatles fan, you likely have many of their albums on CD, and by now, if you have an iPod, you've ripped them to your iPod already. And plus, haven't every single studio recording, rarity, etc. already been released as well? so who exactly is left who will buy these tracks?

Probably miost people. The tracks have been remasterd for the purpose of digital downloads, and are likely much better than whatever you have ripped yourself, not to speak of the horrible rips you get from the torrents.
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In May, the court ruled in favor of Apple,

Which Apple? I know this is assumed, but I find it amusing that in a case of Apple v. Apple, I think there's a chance that Apple might win and Apple might lose.
post #29 of 67
A psychedelic ipod me thinks???
My impression!

The Beatles iPod would be a good idea but as said before most people who want Beatles stuff already have it!

I rest my case.

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peter max where are you, it would also be cool for skins.
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Originally Posted by BenJ

A psychedelic ipod me thinks???
My impression!

The Beatles iPod would be a good idea but as said before most people who want Beatles stuff already have it!

I rest my case.

BENj

It's a terrible assumption on your part. You might as well say that about all music available on the torrents. Why should anyone buy any music? They can get most all of it from there.
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It's a terrible assumption on your part. You might as well say that about all music available on the torrents. Why should anyone buy any music? They can get most all of it from there.

Not really a 'terrible' assumption- a terrible assumption would be something like "Well I assumed I turned the oven off before putting my wife in."

No but really- It's all about the artwork/inlays and physical CDs with Beatles' stuff- sure the very famous songs will be bought off iTMS by people with a glancing interest but, really, are you telling me people are going to buy what they likely already have on CD? I'm playing devil's advocate- it might be one of the best steps ever taken- it may flop... there's only one way we can find out!

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I just took out my iPod, and I think I actually have a prototype Beatles iPod! Exact color scheme as "white album" -- all white, with a gray scroll wheel.

Plus, when you look at the chrome back, you can see a reflection that clearly says "The Beatles" (actually looks like "seltaeB ehT") whenever there's Beatles memoribilia behind you.
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Originally Posted by melgross

That was a personal thing for Jobs. If it can be believed, he came up with the name after driving home with Woz after spending a summer working in a apple orchard, or something like that. He's a vegetation.

I once read somewhere (i don't even remember where) that steve thought the apple was the perfect fruit or whatever and that he liked them a lot, and that he liked the beatles too. makes you wonder what's in a name. he probably didn't think he'd be facing legal problems 25 years later for using the word "apple".
post #35 of 67
instead of beatle ipods with their signature on the back, how about a magical mystery tour ipod, a sgt. peppers ipod, a let it be ipod, an abbey road ipod, a revolver ipod, etc.

i'd get the magical mystery tour ipod or maybe the let it be ipod.

since the next ipod is bound to have a more prominent screen maybe you could just have a bunch of wallpapers in it.

ahh magical mystery tour yellow sounds great for an ipod enclosure though. </rant>
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Originally Posted by BenJ

Not really a 'terrible' assumption- a terrible assumption would be something like "Well I assumed I turned the oven off before putting my wife in."

No but really- It's all about the artwork/inlays and physical CDs with Beatles' stuff- sure the very famous songs will be bought off iTMS by people with a glancing interest but, really, are you telling me people are going to buy what they likely already have on CD? I'm playing devil's advocate- it might be one of the best steps ever taken- it may flop... there's only one way we can find out!

BENj

It is terrible. You don't know what people have, or want. I'll bet that most people under 25 have little Beatles at all. My daughters' friends, all under 17, have almost no Beatles, because they hardly ever buy a CD, and, they don't listen to mine, though I would allow it.

As most downloaded music is being bought by those under 25, there would be a big market for it. Dylan has sold well, as have others. No reason to believe this would be any different.
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That was a personal thing for Jobs. If it can be believed, he came up with the name after driving home with Woz after spending a summer working in a apple orchard, or something like that. He's a vegetation.

It's named Apple because of the Fruit of Knowledge (from the garden of Eden). \

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post #38 of 67
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I just took out my iPod, and I think I actually have a prototype Beatles iPod! Exact color scheme as "white album" -- all white, with a gray scroll wheel.

Plus, when you look at the chrome back, you can see a reflection that clearly says "The Beatles" (actually looks like "seltaeB ehT") whenever there's Beatles memoribilia behind you.


but don't you have to hold it upside down against a bluish mirror during a full moon to see that the walrus has been transferred and that paul will be killed at the divorce
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I once read somewhere (i don't even remember where) that steve thought the apple was the perfect fruit or whatever and that he liked them a lot, and that he liked the beatles too. makes you wonder what's in a name. he probably didn't think he'd be facing legal problems 25 years later for using the word "apple".

Music wasn't really an issue for computers back then. Who would have thought?

One major problem is that Apple gave in that first time. It set them up ever after. This last ruling, if upheld upon appeal, will finally end the problems. If not, well...

My wife, and other lawyers have said that there was no reason why Apple would not have won their case the first time around. But, Apple Computer was much smaller then. Apple Corps. was a big, well known, company, and the Beatles themselves were icons. To fight that back then was something Apple thought unwise. They were wrong.

According to my wife, at least, who has dealt with Apple Computer for some time, Apple has always has dreadful lawyers, often changing an entire team in the middle of negotiations. They hired outside counsel to help with this latest dispute with Apple Corps., and it seems to have helped.
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It's named Apple because of the Fruit of Knowledge (from the garden of Eden). \

I'm just repeating what Woz has said several times. That's in the record.
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