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The latest Apple-centric report to cross the news desk over at DigiTimes claims the Mac maker is amongst several display manufacturers that will soon introduce a new 17-inch standalone display.

The Taiwanese publication cited industry sources Monday in saying "LCD vendors such as ViewSonic and Apple are set to launch 17-inch widescreen LCD monitors by year-end or the first quarter of 2007."

Those vendors expect 17-inch widescreen monitors to replace entry-level and middle-range 15-inch and 17-inch LCD monitors in the future, according to the report.

Prices for the new 17-inch widescreen displays are not expected to fetch a premium to 17-inch 4:3 aspect models due to more efficient panel cutting by makers, DigiTimes reported.

In support of the aforementioned claim, the publication also cited sources in saying a fifth-generation substrate from HannStar can be cut into fifteen 17-inch widescreen panels or fifteen 15-inch 4:3 conventional-sized panels.

Nevertheless, any move by Apple to reintroduce a 17-inch display would seem unusual given recent history. The Cupertino, Calif.-based company hasn't marketed a standalone 17-inch display since it began to phase out the 17-inch Studio Display in first half of 2004.

Since then, Apple has focused on high-definition models, introducing 23-inch and 30-inch HD models along the way. Its current Cinema Display line is comprised of a 20-inch model and two HD models, a 23 and 30-inch.

The last time Apple introduced new displays was in june of 2004, when it unveiled the 20-, 23- and 30-inch models in an aluminum design to match its professional desktop line of computers. The company reduced the cost of the displays several times (1, 2, 3) the following year but has since made no significant announcements related to display technology.
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Care to give us your reason for saying that?
/are you hinting thinner iMac or what?
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post #4 of 107
Unless it's for a new MacBook Pro I don't see Apple doing this. You just can't have a good Mac experience on a monitor that small.
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Care to give us your reason for saying that?
/are you hinting thinner iMac or what?

I think he's implying some sort of new mid range desktop, though I don't see much support for it either.
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Apple needs to re-release the entire display line dropping the 23" for a 24" and adding HDCP across the entire line.

Anyone that buys an Apple display today, they don't have HDCP, is tossing money into the trash can. You'll not be able to display HD content without HDCP. Apple should have fixed this long ago.
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Originally Posted by Timon

Apple needs to re-release the entire display line dropping the 23" for a 24" and adding HDCP across the entire line.

Anyone that buys an Apple display today, they don't have HDCP, is tossing money into the trash can. You'll not be able to display HD content without HDCP. Apple should have fixed this long ago.

However...by the time the protection is used, I've read 2010+, then the display would have already passed its effective life anyway in most cases.
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post #8 of 107
Tablet?

Or maybe a higher rez 17" MacBook Pro?
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Unless it's for a new MacBook Pro I don't see Apple doing this. You just can't have a good Mac experience on a monitor that small.

Wouldn't that depend on the monitor's resolution? The MacBook's resolution is 1280x800 on a 13" screen. Why couldn't Apple offer standalone monitors at 15.4 and 17", using the same resolution as the MacBook Pros, 1440x900 and 1680x1050? Dell's 17" XPS laptops use an even higher resolution of 1920x1200. I'm not suggesting or prognosticating that this will happen but Apple is famous for thinking outside the box and these hypothetical monitors would be a good example of that.
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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1

Unless it's for a new MacBook Pro I don't see Apple doing this. You just can't have a good Mac experience on a monitor that small.

Tell that to all the laptop users.

Although I've got to say, seeing that this report comes from DigiTimes means that it's probably BS anyway. DigiTimes seems to have a worse track record than MOSR.
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post #12 of 107
DigiTimes.

Moving on.
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DigiTime's track record in terms of accuracy is horrible.
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Originally Posted by CharlesS

Tell that to all the laptop users.

Although I've got to say, seeing that this report comes from DigiTimes means that it's probably BS anyway. DigiTimes seems to have a worse track record than MOSR.

There are laptop users?

Notebooks have small screens because they have to be small to be portable, so that leads to compromises in productivity that is hopefully made up for by the increased mobility.
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Originally Posted by Bacillus

However...by the time the protection is used, I've read 2010+, then the display would have already passed its effective life anyway in most cases.

Are displays falling apart quicker now? My primary monitor was made in January 1999, my secondary, Oct 2001, and show no sign of falling apart any time soon. The only reason they might be replaced would be upgrade-itis, but I would probably give them to someone who might use it for another five years.
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Has DigiTimes ever reported anything about Apple accurately?

I remember they reported on the 13.3 inch iBook going into production. But that was something like two or three years before the MacBook was released.

MOSR has a better track record than these guys.
post #17 of 107
Whether the article is correct or not, it is talking about standalone displays, not laptop panels. How one got from standalone to laptops is tortured.

DigiTimes is sometimes wrong, but they are sometimes right, more often than not actually. They aren't Macosrumors.

I can see this as a possibly. If the monitor is a low cost unit (for Apple anyway), it could complement the Mini. Giving a complete system from Apple at less than $1,000 for the first time in a while, not including educational pricing.

But, as was said, Apple should update their larger models with HDMI and HDCP. Monitors do last for much more than three years >No different that Tv's. But, they need larger models as well, that can easily be wall mounted.
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Has DigiTimes ever reported anything about Apple accurately?

I remember they reported on the 13.3 inch iBook going into production. But that was something like two or three years before the MacBook was released.

MOSR has a better track record than these guys.

No, they don't.
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its for the mini so you can be all apple, and get rid of your pc connections. and give you isight

or perhaps for the mega iphone
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I suppose a 17" monitor would be cool if it rocked 1440x900 or higher.
But I personally just want a second price drop on the current monitors, a drop on the 20" would push me to buy it.

I think they should price them like this (prices in canadian dollars):

17": 299 (1440x900)
20": 599 (1680x1050)
24": 899 (1920x1200)
30": 2099 (2560x1600)

If they did that the 17s would fly off the shelves with mini owners and maybe macbook and 17" imac owners getting them too. The 20" would be in an ideal price point for a lot of people. I'd cave on the 20" but then let myself get suckered into the 24" because the student price would make it 799.99(hopefully 699.99).

And of course these monitors would be more expensive then most other companies offerings, which is what apple loves.
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its for the mini so you can be all apple, and get rid of your pc connections. and give you isight

or perhaps for the mega iphone

I agree, Apple is tired of Mac minis hooked up to Dell monitors.
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post #22 of 107
I wouln't hold my breath for a competative "low end" monitor from Apple. I don't think that Apple will offer a monitor for less than $499 and with todays prices that isn't even a great price on a 20" consumer level wide screen, let alone a 17".
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I would love those price points. But 2 17" would be cheaper than 1 20". Those prices seem too low, very UnApple like.
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Originally Posted by ecking

I suppose a 17" monitor would be cool if it rocked 1440x900 or higher.
But I personally just want a second price drop on the current monitors, a drop on the 20" would push me to buy it.

I think they should price them like this (prices in canadian dollars):

17": 299 (1440x900)
20": 599 (1680x1050)
24": 899 (1920x1200)
30": 2099 (2560x1600)

If they did that the 17s would fly off the shelves with mini owners and maybe macbook and 17" imac owners getting them too. The 20" would be in an ideal price point for a lot of people. I'd cave on the 20" but then let myself get suckered into the 24" because the student price would make it 799.99(hopefully 699.99).

And of course these monitors would be more expensive then most other companies offerings, which is what apple loves.
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I want to get an Apple display (23-inch or higher) but I'm waiting for them to bump the dpi.
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Originally Posted by NOFEER

its for the mini

I agree. It would be so nice if Apple could get the retail price for a Mini+Apple display <$1000. Please please please...!
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I always get so excited about what Apple might be doing, and disillusioned when the rumor doesn't pan out. To assuage my sorrow, I turn to the rumor sites again. And the new rumor is so exciting. The thrilling possibilities of the new; the let down when it doesn't come true. Funny pattern. Here we go again.
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Originally Posted by ecking

I suppose a 17" monitor would be cool if it rocked 1440x900 or higher.
But I personally just want a second price drop on the current monitors, a drop on the 20" would push me to buy it.

I think they should price them like this (prices in canadian dollars):

17": 299 (1440x900)
20": 599 (1680x1050)
24": 899 (1920x1200)
30": 2099 (2560x1600)

If they did that the 17s would fly off the shelves with mini owners and maybe macbook and 17" imac owners getting them too. The 20" would be in an ideal price point for a lot of people. I'd cave on the 20" but then let myself get suckered into the 24" because the student price would make it 799.99(hopefully 699.99).

And of course these monitors would be more expensive then most other companies offerings, which is what apple loves.

Their prices on the 17 and 20 are still too high.

Apple needs the 17 at $249, or even less, and the 20 at $399.

No one expects a pro level display in a 17 any more. It has to be a home display. The standard size for displays is now 19", going on to 20", as the prices on those have dropped significantly this year. They can even drop the aluminum frame for a metallized plastic one, and have a less expensive base. It has to be a price leader.

The 20 isn't really suitable for pro use today either. That should also be less expensive. They could also do metallized plastic, but keep the base.

Metallized plastic looks very good, and is much less expensive.
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I always get so excited about what Apple might be doing, and disillusioned when the rumor doesn't pan out. To assuage my sorrow, I turn to the rumor sites again. And the new rumor is so exciting. The thrilling possibilities of the new; the let down when it doesn't come true. Funny pattern. Here we go again.

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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1

Unless it's for a new MacBook Pro I don't see Apple doing this. You just can't have a good Mac experience on a monitor that small.

Excuse me? I'm using a G4 800 Mghz iMac with a 15" display. I get along fine with it, and I'm a Graphic Designer. Who says This is a monitor for the "Pro" Market? They could be releasing a lo-cost monitor to be bundled (or bought seperatley) with the Mac mini. Hey... They could probably shove a mac mini behind a 17" monitor, anyways. I could see Apple discontinuing the 17" iMac and introducing an all-in-one Mac mini.
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Excuse me? I'm using a G4 800 Mghz iMac with a 15" display. I get along fine with it, and I'm a Graphic Designer. Who says This is a monitor for the "Pro" Market? They could be releasing a lo-cost monitor to be bundled (or bought seperatley) with the Mac mini. Hey... They could probably shove a mac mini behind a 17" monitor, anyways. I could see Apple discontinuing the 17" iMac and introducing an all-in-one Mac mini.

Might I recommend you move up to something in the 20"+ neighborhood? You'll get a lot more done that way.

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Might I recommend you move up to something in the 20"+ neighborhood? You'll get a lot more done that way.

I can't really justify purchasing a 20"+ monitor just to accompany my iMac. I've been eyeballing a MacPro for a while now, but where exactly will I come up with about $5000 CDN?
post #32 of 107
Two theories...
1) the 17" display is for a new hi rez MBPro
(We should see higher rez displays made available once Leopard is shipping.)

2) the 17" display will be designed to go with the Mac mini
(I'm sure they've done their research. How many potential Mac mini buyers balk when they realize the cheapest screen is almost as much as the computer. Also displays take up very little room and if people are willing to pay for the Apple design/integration it could have a very nice profit margin.)
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Their prices on the 17 and 20 are still too high.

Apple needs the 17 at $249, or even less, and the 20 at $399.

Barely, if they want to keep their S-IPS panels. But Dell can, it seems. Now, if we were to see a real price drop in the EU region too. The last one didn't come near the drop US got.

I'm not expecting them to use great panels for the 17" display, since the 17" iMac use a 6-bit TN display, which is not exactly great.
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Originally Posted by Zandros

Barely, if they want to keep their S-IPS panels. But Dell can, it seems. Now, if we were to see a real price drop in the EU region too. The last one didn't come near the drop US got.

I'm not expecting them to use great panels for the 17" display, since the 17" iMac use a 6-bit TN display, which is not exactly great.

Most small panels, and many larger ones as well, are 6 bits. These panels, while having worse color, are faster, and thus better suited for games.
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Originally Posted by Mooch

I want to get an Apple display (23-inch or higher) but I'm waiting for them to bump the dpi.

To do that, I think the screens would just get smaller. From what I can tell, the resolution of the 30" is the highest or very near the highest that a dual link connection can offer without going below 60Hz refresh. Increasing the resolution of a 23"/24" would mean it becomes a dual-link monitor or go below 60Hz, limiting its useful market given that dual link isn't very common.
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No one expects a pro level display in a 17 any more. It has to be a home display. The standard size for displays is now 19", going on to 20", as the prices on those have dropped significantly this year. They can even drop the aluminum frame for a metallized plastic one, and have a less expensive base. It has to be a price leader.

If you look at most of the 19" widescreen displays though from people like HP, they're actually 1440x900 - the same as Apple's 17" iMac panel. There's a glut of cheap 19" panels just now it seems so everyone is dumping out cheap £150/$300 19" widescreens. I'd happily pay more for a 17" with 1440x900 res but at 19" I'd want 1680x1050 or whatever the 20" iMac is.

I was looking a few weeks back for a cheap monitor for a server and it was as cheap to buy a 19" HP monitor as some of the 1024x768 17" monitors.

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The 20 isn't really suitable for pro use today either. That should also be less expensive.

I use a 17" iMac professionally so that's not really true. It depends on your profession obviously. Bigger would be nice but I find anything bigger than 20" too big.

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They could also do metallized plastic, but keep the base.

Metallized plastic looks very good, and is much less expensive.

Please no....

Good industrial design abhors making something look like something else like fake metal or fake wood panelling unless you're doing it as a joke. Keep your materials true to their nature. Apple is very clear about this in almost all their design. If it looks like aluminium, it IS aluminium. If it looks like plastic, it's extra shiny plastic that's obviously plastic.

Obviously they broke that with the Mac Mini but it'd be too expensive otherwise and everyone has to have a bad day, even Jonathon Ive.
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Originally Posted by rickag

I agree, Apple is tired of Mac minis hooked up to Dell monitors.

Absolutely or even the MacBook. MM and MB users can't usually afford a 20" but want a natty display to sit next to their purchases and give them a reasonable screen space.

Hey even 17" and 20" iMac users might want to add a good value second display.
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Originally Posted by Zandros

Barely, if they want to keep their S-IPS panels. But Dell can, it seems. Now, if we were to see a real price drop in the EU region too. The last one didn't come near the drop US got.

It is getting quite silly again. The dollar is so weak now it's almost 2 USD to 1 GBP. Yet it's £663 (equiv to $1284) for the 23" display here before tax and yet only $999 in the US.

On the plus side, my server bills are the lowest they've ever been as I use US web servers.
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Apple not selling a 17" so they could push iMac has been idiotic and stupid to say the least. Seems Apple is slowly pulling its head out of it ass, selling a 17" is a no brainer. Perhaps next we will see a consumer Tower instead of the all in one nonsense. Not having a low end monitor is brain dead, not having a consumer tower is brain dead, not getting the Tv into the Mac is brain dead, running off Mac gaming is brain dead. Holding onto PPC for so long was brain dead. Seems there is a light at the end of this tunnel. I would like to know who decided all this because I doubt it was Jobs.
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Good industrial design abhors making something look like something else like fake metal or fake wood panelling unless you're doing it as a joke. Keep your materials true to their nature. Apple is very clear about this in almost all their design. If it looks like aluminium, it IS aluminium. If it looks like plastic, it's extra shiny plastic that's obviously plastic.

Obviously they broke that with the Mac Mini but it'd be too expensive otherwise and everyone has to have a bad day, even Jonathon Ive.

Mac mini has aluminized plastic? Certainly not the shell, that outer shell is extruded aluminum and it accounts for a third of its weight. I know because I had one apart and weighed it. Mac Book Pros and Power Books do use aluminized plastic for the keyboards. The titanium in the TiBooks was painted to a color that wasn't titanium.
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