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Apple Computer's forthcoming iTV set-top box may include features beyond streaming content and could have an impact on video similar to what the iPod has done for music, Bear Stearns analyst Andy Neff told clients in a research note Wednesday.

Neff said he recently emerged from a meeting with Apple Chief Financial Officer Peter Oppenheimer and Vice President of iPod Product Marketing Greg Joswiak feeling "optimistic about the company's "continued innovation and twin drivers," referring to the company's competitively priced Intel Macs and compelling new iPods.

"Ultimately, Apple's goal is to create a product that customers would want (as opposed to creating new technology merely for the sake of technology), while focusing on areas where it can differentiate," he wrote. "Apple noted that it has a number of products currently in development that are likely to be introduced over several years."

Although Apple would not disclose additional specifications of iTV, Neff said the company highlighted that the device fits within its vision of simplifying consumers' use of content.

"Though details remain sketchy, Apple emphasized [the] focus of iTV [is] to improve user experience by leveraging its software expertise and implied that there may be features beyond the mere streaming of video content," the analyst wrote.

Apple has already acknowledged that the device will also be capable of streaming photos, music and podcasts. But during the meeting it also hinted at additional features such as an "internal hard disk drive for storage" and "advanced user interface software."

In his note to clients, Neff also said that Cupertino, Calif.-based company has now expanded its Mac presence at Best Buy to 60 retail stores and is "evaluating further opportunities for expansion."

The analyst maintained his current estimates of $0.78 in earnings per share on revenues of $6.42 billion for the December quarter, but increased his price target on Apple shares from $94 to $100 through December of 2007.

"We are maintaining out Outperform rating given numerous growth opportunities ahead, favorable consumer seasonality, and potential new product introductions which we reflect in our valuation," he wrote.
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"Apple noted that it has a number of products currently in development that are likely to be introduced over several years."

I can just smell Apple TV in there.

"..but increased his 12-month price target on Apple shares from $94 to $100."

Does he mean the 12 months ending with the March quarter? If he does, and Apple releases iTV, iPhone and Leopard by then - then he may be $20 under (at least).
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"Apple noted that it has a number of products currently in development that are likely to be introduced over several years."

I can just smell Apple TV in there.

"..but increased his 12-month price target on Apple shares from $94 to $100."

Does he mean the 12 months ending with the March quarter? If he does, and Apple releases iTV, iPhone and Leopard by then - then he may be $20 under (at least).

It's really through next Dec. I've updated the article. 13 months.
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post #4 of 76
Oh! Oh! Oh! I want it. Is it ready yet? How about now?
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Geeeezzzuus....
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and in other news....

Vista! and um, zune.

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I'm hoping since they've been sneaking in draft-n wireless cards into new macs that the iTV will also be able to function as a wireless router. I'm holding off on buying a new wireless router till it's announced.

Hopefully, you will be able to use the internet through a browser and iTunes without a separate computer.
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You can view movie trailers via Front Row. What would be cool is if you could browse the current listing of movies at a theater near you and purchase tickets. BTW, I already sent in feedback about this. It would be nice to see something like this be available.
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I can easily envision a system in which the iTV is the user interface control and from it is strung (via firewire and/or LAN) devices like DVRs, tuners, DVD (SD, HD, BD) players, and other entertainment devices. The iTV provides the connection to the TV and possibly amp (or maybe an iTV amp module). All the devices attached to the iTV provide user interface specs to the iTV that manages the display of that UI. When you do all this you get a single simple to use interface to every component in the entertainment center, a single remote for all of that, and a system that is easily extensible to new features and functions. So, image if you wanted to have a triple tuner DVR, just plug in a 3 tuner modules, the DVR module automatically sees it and has access to it's channels. The iTV would also see the tuner and DVR and provide easy access to both. Want a BD-DVD, plug in a BD-DVD module. It would could even lower the cost of all these devices because only 1 has to provide a user interface and remote control interfaces, etc. Most CE interfaces are horrible, so having somebody like Apple do the actual interface would be a blessing. It would seem like Apple could own the living room by finally providing a simple way for mere humans to build a decent entertainment system (and to use that system).
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If this thing has an internal hard drive (wich would be totally SWEET, I've always wanted a wireless hard drive), how much capacity could it have in the size that we know this thing is going to be? unless it's a bunch of mini drives.
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I'd love to see some DVR capabilities, since I'm sure my DVR/SatBox combo is likely to die in the next year, but that probably doesn't fit with Apple's strategy. A boy can dream.
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Originally Posted by Squirrel_Monkey

I'd love to see some DVR capabilities, since I'm sure my DVR/SatBox combo is likely to die in the next year, but that probably doesn't fit with Apple's strategy. A boy can dream.

Yah, I would keep dreaming, I'd like it too, but it completely goes against the whole idea of purchasing and downloading from iTunes.
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Boo on itv using 2.5" drives, no way that thing looks big enough for a 3.5"
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post #14 of 76
Wasn't there a report that Apple and TiVo were in talks, but they were not successful? A HD in the iTV might make TiVo wish they had worked a little harder in their talks with Apple.

On the HD side, it would be interesting if you could also use the HD as a back up for some of your files on your Mac. I'll be looking for this, as well as HD options when ordering.

Overall I think Apple is getting ready to surprise us with a few more enhancements to iTV, putting a lot of pressure on a lot of would-be competitors.
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post #15 of 76
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I'd love to see some DVR capabilities

Not gonna happen. Apple could leave a backdoor open for DVR add on however.

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Boo on itv using 2.5" drives

You might even be optimistic in that.
It would more likely use 1.8" drives.
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I can easily envision a system in which the iTV is the user interface control and from it is strung (via firewire and/or LAN) devices like DVRs, tuners, DVD (SD, HD, BD) players, and other entertainment devices. The iTV provides the connection to the TV and possibly amp (or maybe an iTV amp module). All the devices attached to the iTV provide user interface specs to the iTV that manages the display of that UI. When you do all this you get a single simple to use interface to every component in the entertainment center, a single remote for all of that, and a system that is easily extensible to new features and functions. So, image if you wanted to have a triple tuner DVR, just plug in a 3 tuner modules, the DVR module automatically sees it and has access to it's channels. The iTV would also see the tuner and DVR and provide easy access to both. Want a BD-DVD, plug in a BD-DVD module. It would could even lower the cost of all these devices because only 1 has to provide a user interface and remote control interfaces, etc. Most CE interfaces are horrible, so having somebody like Apple do the actual interface would be a blessing. It would seem like Apple could own the living room by finally providing a simple way for mere humans to build a decent entertainment system (and to use that system).

I like the idea a lot. Apple themselves could create the components or third parties, but the interface would still be Apple. Just connect power and a single firewire or USB cable, iTV recognizes it and voila. Being a software driven A/V system, I imagine many possibilities on that end as well for the system itself and perhaps third-party enhancements such as DSPs, EQs, customizations, etc...

Another nice feature would be something like ARD. I'd love to be able to have my computer in my office and access the desktop (not just documents) in the living room. I can imagine the simplicity of selecting 'Control Network Computer' and a choosing my computer from the list of computers with ARD active. Perhaps mouse control could be achieved through the arrows on the remote or a (BT) keyboard connected to the iTV.
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As it has been presented thus far, iTV only has a USB port no Firewire.

Its logical to think Apple will open iTV for a third party industry to develop around it the same way it did for the iPod.
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Will the iTV require a "N" wireless card? If so can current Mac's with AirPort Extreme cards upgrade to a "N" wireless card?
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"Though details remain sketchy, Apple emphasized [the] focus of iTV [is] to improve user experience by leveraging its software expertise and implied that there may be features beyond the mere streaming of video content," the analyst wrote.

It will be a high end game console too. Take that I.B.M.!
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Apple has not confirmed that iTV will use "N". But it makes much more sense that they will use "N"" and would be pretty dumb to use "G".

Airport Extreme card currently in your Mac will work on an "N" network but it will be slower and use less bandwidth.

When the "N" specification is formally introduced I would suspect Apple will provide new Airport cards for older Macs.
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Will the iTV require a "N" wireless card? If so can current Mac's with AirPort Extreme cards upgrade to a "N" wireless card?

I doubt it will reqire an 802.11n card to stream music, but maybe to stream video... \
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you didn't think frontrow was designed for the macbook and imac, did you?

iTV = frontrow for your HDTV. save on the drive or stream from your computer.

if it's a DVR + wireless N router i'm in heaven...
but won't apple have to add buttons to their precious remote to use DVR?
i love the instant replay on my tivo. can't give that up.
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Will the iTV require a "N" wireless card? If so can current Mac's with AirPort Extreme cards upgrade to a "N" wireless card?

Obviously it won't require an N card. It just might make streaming more reliable though. However, I think a lost of people ignore the fact that the computer you're streaming from is probably connected to your router with a wire (If you're buying an iTV to stream from a laptop, you're an idiot, buy an S-video adapter/cable for your laptop). So really you'd just need a wireless n router.
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AT&T offers a service called "Homezone" which uses 2WIRE products.

Of course, it has an ugly interface you'd expect from most companies outside Apple. Microsoft's Media Center even does a better job.

I hope that Apple's iTV will do more than play content that's in the next room on my iMac, I'd much rather see an offering that allows my home / office to be remotely accessed such as what is possible today with Sling Media.

1. You attach a Sling Box to your cable / satellite tv at home / work
2. Attach your broadband network to Sling Box
3. Access your Sling Box from anywhere that has a broadband connection

So, if you live in Sunnyvale, CA, you can travel to Chicago and still watch the local news in Silicon Valley or San Francisco. Or, you can travel to Tokyo and watch not only the news from back home, but any of your satellite / cable channels, as well as content on your DVR. I'm sure that you could even hook-up a camera to see your wife and kids at home if you wanted to as well.

Anyhow, I think this is much cooler than watching a slideshow of the photos on my iMac in the next room, or listening to the music from my iMac on my television. I mean AirTunes pretty much already does that.

So, I'm still hopeful that Apple has something more up their sleeves. Otherwise, iTV will be as popular as oh, say the iPod Hi-Fi.

As for portable movies, a true video iPod already exists as well. Its called "PocketDish" from DishNetwork. PocketDish allows users to sync their DVR content and take it with them. So, record Spiderman for the kids, sync it, and go on that road trip. The largest PocketDish has a 7" LCD (480x234 pixel resolution) and sells for $399.

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You might even be optimistic in that.
It would more likely use 1.8" drives.

Any claim that there will be a hard drive is speculation though I think it might need one to justify the price. I don't think a 2.5" drive is out of the question, I think they might be cheaper too.
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I doubt it will reqire an 802.11n card to stream music, but maybe to stream video... \

G works well for video, if you can get a strong connection, it can even do HD streams.

N will likely enable doing same over longer distances and more resilience to interference.
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Will the iTV require a "N" wireless card? If so can current Mac's with AirPort Extreme cards upgrade to a "N" wireless card?

All new Mac's for the past while have 802.11n.
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Apple has already acknowledged that the device will also be capable of streaming photos, music and podcasts. But during the meeting it also hinted at additional features such as an "internal hard disk drive for storage" and "advanced user interface software.

What a relief! I thought they were going to release it with a Zune-like user interface!

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However, I think a lost of people ignore the fact that the computer you're streaming from is probably connected to your router with a wire.

The Computer/iTV connection has little to do with the router connection.

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If you're buying an iTV to stream from a laptop, you're an idiot, buy an S-video adapter/cable for your laptop.

Seeing as wireless connection is iTV's big selling point whether its from a desktop or laptop doesn't make much difference. If you want to run a wire between computer/iTV ethernet is a far better option than S-video.

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Any claim that there will be a hard drive is speculation though I think it might need one to justify the price. I don't think a 2.5" drive is out of the question, I think they might be cheaper too.

Seeing as Disney CEO's original comments about iTV having a HDD spread all over the internet. He did not later retract his statement as an error. Now in a meeting with Apple CFO and Apple VP of iPod marketing again alludes to an HDD. I think its a pretty good bet.

A 2.5 drive is fine with me, I'm just saying a 1.8" is just as possible.

As far as the price we still don't know exactly what processor iTV will use that could also contribute to the price.
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As for portable movies, a true video iPod already exists as well. Its called "PocketDish" from DishNetwork. PocketDish allows users to sync their DVR content and take it with them. So, record Spiderman for the kids, sync it, and go on that road trip. The largest PocketDish has a 7" LCD (480x234 pixel resolution) and sells for $399.

Only if you buy the uber expensive DVR from DISH.
post #31 of 76
There is a huge interest by content providers (cable, networks, movie distributors, etc.) in utilizing the iTV(Front Row) interface to bring content to viewers.
Apple has a huge opportunity to bring even more content providers to their game. That's where I see iTV with a huge potential. Imagine companies like NBC, FOX, Warner, etc. have their own "channel" on iTV using front row to show and sell their content. I think is very doable.
iTV will evolve into something much bigger IMHO than what Steve previewed. The potential is endless.
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post #32 of 76
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"Apple noted that it has a number of products currently in development that are likely to be introduced over several years."

I can just smell Apple TV in there.

"..but increased his 12-month price target on Apple shares from $94 to $100."

Does he mean the 12 months ending with the March quarter? If he does, and Apple releases iTV, iPhone and Leopard by then - then he may be $20 under (at least).

He means what he said, by December 2007.
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Originally Posted by ecking

Boo on itv using 2.5" drives, no way that thing looks big enough for a 3.5"

Nothing wrong with 2.5" drives they are now up to 200 GB, and will continue to get larger.

I think the idea is to keep your collection stored on your computer drive anyway.
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Apple has not confirmed that iTV will use "N". But it makes much more sense that they will use "N"" and would be pretty dumb to use "G".

Airport Extreme card currently in your Mac will work on an "N" network but it will be slower and use less bandwidth.

When the "N" specification is formally introduced I would suspect Apple will provide new Airport cards for older Macs.

Apple will PROVIDE them, but not for free. But you won't have to buy new airport cards if you don't want to... you just won't be taking advantage of N if you don't.

Also, a while back I posted a long thread about what a media box from apple would be like. And as the evidence rolls in, it seems like it is getting closer to what I first suggested. The internal hard drive would be a major plus. This way in interruption in network connection while watching a video isn't a problem because the movie can be pre-streamed to the hard drive so that when a interruption occurs, it keeps playing the video that is temporarily stored on the hard drive, and it continues streams when the connection is restored. But more importantly, it can act as a DVR.
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Apple will PROVIDE them, but not for free. But you won't have to buy new airport cards if you don't want to... you just won't be taking advantage of N if you don't.

Oh yes of course I didn't mean they would be free.

Thinking about it again though. I'm not so sure Apple will provide newer Airport cards for old Macs. It would be much more lucrative for people to buy new computers.
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Originally Posted by ecking

Boo on itv using 2.5" drives, no way that thing looks big enough for a 3.5"

You think it looks big enough for a 3.5, but it's not. The stated size of the iTV is thinner than a typical 3.5" drive.
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I think iTV will have internal storage because it's the new mini.

I have setup all my audiophile gear with Airport express and a mac mini, and... it just doesn't do the task. Why ?

1- The mini is a storage device but not a music component.
It has to be attached to a monitor and have a keyboard and mouse . It's a computer.
2- The airport express doesn't have infrared command,
3 The Airport Express needs a monitor and a remote.

Put it all together and you have the iTV .

- Remote so you can point at it and control iTunes and other media.
- Video out so you can attach a small monitor to control Front Row or a big plasma so you can watch movies
- Storage so that you can store not only all your music library but also cache the incoming media movies from the internet.

Not only that but I think the iTV will also be a media Redirector, in the sense that you will allow yout to stream audio to Airport Express X and stream video to iTV Y and also stream photos to iTV Z. This would be truly awesome.

Of course, the New Front Row or whatever it will be called will be FAR MORE POWERFULL than it's current iteration. It will be a true media OS.
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He means what he said, by December 2007.

By the way that comment was altered by AI after I commented on it, they added that part.

So let me get this straight, a wall street analyst thinks Apple's shares will be worth $100 by December 2007? When they are worth about $92 now.

I guess he means after the split, right?
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Apple will PROVIDE them, but not for free. But you won't have to buy new airport cards if you don't want to... you just won't be taking advantage of N if you don't.

The likelihood that you will be able to install a wireless card with N support in most Macs, prior to the current iMacs, Macbooks and Macbook Pros, is close to nil. The lack of a pre-installed third antenna is the problem.
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Yah, I would keep dreaming, I'd like it too, but it completely goes against the whole idea of purchasing and downloading from iTunes.

Honestly, HD-DVR would be about the only thing that would compel me to buy this thing.

How would DVR be different from Itunes? I can still rip my on Cds as well as import MP3's from other sites.

It's not like the new hotness is on broadcast television anyway (movie wise), and people would still have to buy previous seasons of current series in order to have them in broadcast order

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