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Apple Computer's much anticipated iPod cell phone will look like an iPod with a small screen and a click-wheel interface, according to one Wall Street analyst.

In an extensive research note released to clients earlier this week, Prudential analyst Jesse Tortora said the first and slimmer of Apple's initial two cell phone models will look like an iPod with a small screen and a click wheel interface.

"Apple has mentioned several times that music experience is its top priority and that it would not do anything to compromise that," the analyst wrote. "We believe that the music phone will be true to these statements and should be considered a music player that has phone capabilities rather than a phone with a built-in music player."

Tortora said the iPhone device, which he calls a "slim music phone," will pack camera functionality and be GSM/GPRS network compatible. Meanwhile, he said Apple is also working on a smart phone device with a larger OLED-based display and a sliding keyboard that will be WCDMA compatible to allow for higher bandwidth.

"The smart phone will contain camera functionality along with additional features that the slim phone does not have such as wi-fi and video capabilities," he told clients. He added that those additional features put pressure on battery life, which Apple is still working to address.

"Since the phones will be GSM/GPRS and WCDMA compatible, the choice of carriers will be limited to
Cingular and T-Mobile," he wrote. "While there has been some speculation that Apple may take the MVNO (Mobile Virtual Network Operator) route, we dont believe it is a serious option for Apple as the risks outweigh the advantages."

According to the analyst's checks, manufacturing ramp has already begun for the slim phone, which is likely to be available for sale late in the first quarter of 2007 or early in the second quarter. He expects the smart phone to be released about 1 to 2 quarters thereafter.

Tortora also told clients he expects volume production of a widescreen iPod to begin in the first quarter of 2007 with availability shortly thereafter. "This device will have a larger screen than the current version, specifically designed for viewing downloaded movies and video clips," he wrote.

The analyst's description of the slim music phone -- largely dubbed "iPhone" by analysts and industry insiders -- appears to be similar to an artist's rendition recently published over at MacRumors.
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Now the Wall Street Analysts are getting in... Walter Mossberg by any chance?
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"From this day forward December the 5th will be known as iPhone day!!"
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My Razr's time with me is slowly comming to an end....
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My Razr's time with me is slowly comming to an end....

I nearly threw my Razr against the wall a few times.. close shave!
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post #6 of 64
What he's saying sounds reasonable.
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Boo to people who make Razr puns that have to do with shaving or sharpness or "edginess."

Ok, the rumors on this phone are getting completely out of hand. I will be perfectly happy (thrilled, even!) if this phone is small, looks cool, plays music well, isn't too expensive, and works as a good phone.

Some people, though, want video chatting and dual batteries and a roll-out keyboard and a touch screen and wireless capabilities and streaming video from iTV and some sort of flip-out module for sexual stimulation. And it's going to be those people who wind up disappointed. I'll never understand why some hypothesize wild, crazy, probably impossible features out of potential Apple products. Apple is just another electronics company and they're restricted by the same design, cost, and energetic constraints that EVERY OTHER electronics company has.
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Originally Posted by texas_is_dynamite

Apple is just another electronics company and they're restricted by the same design, cost, and energetic constraints that EVERY OTHER electronics company has.

Well, I don't know. I think that Apple is MUCH more energetic than other electronics companies.
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"From this day forward December the 5th will be known as iPhone day!!"

It also marks the repeal of prohibition!
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Boo to people who make Razr puns that have to do with shaving or sharpness or "edginess."

Ok, the rumors on this phone are getting completely out of hand. I will be perfectly happy (thrilled, even!) if this phone is small, looks cool, plays music well, isn't too expensive, and works as a good phone.

Some people, though, want video chatting and dual batteries and a roll-out keyboard and a touch screen and wireless capabilities and streaming video from iTV and some sort of flip-out module for sexual stimulation. And it's going to be those people who wind up disappointed. I'll never understand why some hypothesize wild, crazy, probably impossible features out of potential Apple products. Apple is just another electronics company and they're restricted by the same design, cost, and energetic constraints that EVERY OTHER electronics company has.

ok mr. one post, i suppose i should take you opinion over everyone elses.

and by the way, yay to people with razr puns. before the iphone they were the ones on the cutting edge
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It took Blackberry years to perfect their smartphone. MS is just getting the hang of it. If Apple think they can just jump in the market and make a phone that's better than BB or MS smartphones, they are wrong. I guess they got to start somewhere though.
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It took Blackberry years to perfect their smartphone. MS is just getting the hang of it. If Apple think they can just jump in the market and make a phone that's better than BB or MS smartphones, they are wrong. I guess they got to start somewhere though.

I guess that people said the same thing about the first iPod.

When a company sits back and evaluates what has been coming out for several years, and is smart about it, they can get a good idea of what does and doesn't work.

Their first product doesn't have to be perfect. But, if it's better than what it's competing with, they will have a winner.
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and by the way, yay to people with razr puns. before the iphone they were the ones on the cutting edge

Good One!
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yay to people with razr puns. before the iphone they were the ones on the cutting edge

The Razr is about as cutting edge as a spud.
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It took Blackberry years to perfect their smartphone.

You think they are finished?

I hate mine. It's the biggest case of Buyer's Remorse I've had since Spray-On Hair.
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Sleek black design with a click-wheel interface? Hmmm, that seems familiar.

Ah, yes! Here it is:



I can't wait!
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Originally Posted by macFanDave

Sleek black design with a click-wheel interface? Hmmm, that seems familiar.

Ah, yes! Here it is:



I can't wait!

the true iPhone!
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if the slim iPhone will be primarily an mp3 player with phone capabilities (instead of a phone with an mp3 player) then i think it will end up looking pretty much like a nano. you'll press the center button on the clickwheel, scroll down to "talk" (or "calls", "phone" etc) and you'll select from a list of contacts previously synched with iSync. you could have "playlists" with phone numbers/contacts organized in groups such as "family", "work", "friends", "emergency numbers", "bank", etc.

if you ever need to use a keypad, it will slide from under, or the clickwheel will open to reveal some kind of keypad. but it has to be arranged in the current layout of touch tone phones because that's standard and the easiest to use, unless apple thinks of something better.

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ah it will be beautiful, i can't wait to see it. </daydream>
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Originally Posted by BlackSummerNight

It took Blackberry years to perfect their smartphone. MS is just getting the hang of it. If Apple think they can just jump in the market and make a phone that's better than BB or MS smartphones, they are wrong. I guess they got to start somewhere though.

Blackberry was kind of a pioneer of smart phones, so they had no one else's errors to help them out. They had to make their own. On the other hand, Apple has been watching the cell phone market for quite some time, hence the 'rokr.' They have been watching others fail, so they can address the issues and features that people want.
With respect, your comment would be like saying, "It took "______" several years to perfect their MP3 player, if Apple wants to jump in and make their iPod better than everyone else's they are wrong."
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Addressing the original issue:
This guy is a moron. He has no clue what he is talking about. What he is saying is simply a collaboration of all the other rumors, with a few of his own thrown in. Everyone is throwing out random crap, to see if they can hit the target. When the real iPhone comes out, someone is going to rise up and say, "see, I told you, I know all." This is simply another pawn trying to get in on the hype.
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i cant wait till microsoft adds there own cell phone to the Xbox line.

They could call it Xcell
oh crap... never mind

or perhaps to break into the market the will give them away for free.
Here have a freecell

badoom PSSH

ok im over it..
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So according to these analysts nothing will be announced at Macworld since everything is 3 to 6 months away according to them. Late 1Q ie March or late 2Q ie June. I can see Apple announcing stuff a month before it ships but not three let alone six months. Then they go on to say production is already ramping up. Really? It takes that long to get production going? Sorry, I don't buy it. They don't know didly.

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I could imagine something that's basically a black nano but a little bit thicker. On one side it looks exactly like the nano and on the other side it has the same screen but instead of a click wheel there is a keypad. So you just flip the thing over depending on what you want to use it for.

Samsung has a phone coming out with a similar concept, media player on one side and phone on the other.

I bet if Apple did do something like that they would just pull the black nano from the shelves and replace it with the iphone.
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I could imagine something that's basically a black nano but a little bit thicker. On one side it looks exactly like the nano and on the other side it has the same screen but instead of a click wheel there is a keypad. So you just flip the thing over depending on what you want to use it for.

Samsung has a phone coming out with a similar concept, media player on one side and phone on the other.

I bet if Apple did do something like that they would just pull the black nano from the shelves and replace it with the iphone.

but they would have to charge more for the iphone.....

they would still keep the nanos seperate from the iphone.
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Originally Posted by Ireland




"From this day forward December the 5th will be known as iPhone day!!"

You really didn't get the recognition you deserved for the Mayor Quimby post, I found it quite funny. I've never seen so many repitious posts about the iPhone on AI.
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Apple is just another electronics company and they're restricted by the same design, cost, and energetic constraints that EVERY OTHER electronics company has.

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It took Blackberry years to perfect their smartphone. MS is just getting the hang of it. If Apple think they can just jump in the market and make a phone that's better than BB or MS smartphones, they are wrong. I guess they got to start somewhere thoug.

Both of these statements are true.

Apple has shown a knack for doing things in a way that are difficult for other companies to replicate. Five years later still no one has made a device that can compete with the iPod.

Apple's corporate culture is different from everyone else. Apple does not release a device purely for profit. Palm and Blackberry will release what they have and improve on it as they go along.

Of course Apple has made many prototype versions of its own phone in the lab. Apple has not released any of the sub-par designs. They won't launch a product until they feel they have it just right.
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You really didn't get the recognition you deserved for the Mayor Quimby post, I found it quite funny. I've never seen so many repitious posts about the iPhone on AI.

Why tank u tank ya vera much.
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Originally Posted by fooey

i cant wait till microsoft adds there own cell phone to the Xbox line.

They could call it Xcell
oh crap... never mind

or perhaps to break into the market the will give them away for free.
Here have a freecell

badoom PSSH

ok im over it..

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Think about it. Do we really a need a keypad on a phone anyway? I mean, how often do any of you use the keypad on your phone? I know I rarely use it. Most of the time the numbers I need are already in my address book or quick dial. I think we'll see the keypad on the screen and you can scroll through it and select the numbers individually. Sure it woud take a little bit longer to dial a number, but it wouldn't be THAT bad. I would prefer to have no keypad if it meant a more efficient form factor. Apple's got exclusive rights to this click wheel interface, they should use it.
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Think about it. Do we really a need a keypad on a phone anyway? I mean, how often do any of you use the keypad on your phone? I know I rarely use it. Most of the time the numbers I need are already in my address book or quick dial. I think we'll see the keypad on the screen and you can scroll through it and select the numbers individually. Sure it woud take a little bit longer to dial a number, but it wouldn't be THAT bad. I would prefer to have no keypad if it meant a more efficient form factor. Apple's got exclusive rights to this click wheel interface, they should use it.

Are you for real?
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Are you for real?

hey, what happened to "Think Different" ?
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Originally Posted by DeaPeaJay

Think about it. Do we really a need a keypad on a phone anyway? I mean, how often do any of you use the keypad on your phone? I know I rarely use it. Most of the time the numbers I need are already in my address book or quick dial. I think we'll see the keypad on the screen and you can scroll through it and select the numbers individually. Sure it woud take a little bit longer to dial a number, but it wouldn't be THAT bad. I would prefer to have no keypad if it meant a more efficient form factor. Apple's got exclusive rights to this click wheel interface, they should use it.

More efficient would be having the keypad. Less doesn't always equal more efficient. Having a keypad really doesn't confuse things.

Plus what are people going to do when they text message? Some of these kids can type really fast on cell phones. I don't get it myself but more power to them.
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Plus what are people going to do when they text message? Some of these kids can type really fast on cell phones. I don't get it myself but more power to them.

The button in the center of the clickwheel doubles as a Morse Code button, of course. Just dash-dot the message onto the screen. It's faster anyway.

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Originally Posted by age234

The button in the center of the clickwheel doubles as a Morse Code button, of course. Just dash-dot the message onto the screen. It's faster anyway.


Maybe the guy who did the morse code could read faster.
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hey, what happened to "Think Different" ?

There's a difference between "think different" and think useful. The clickwheel isn't enough.
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hey, what happened to "Think Different" ?

You know what? You're right. Let's make the iPhone out of brown bread, cause that's different.
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Originally Posted by melgross

There's a difference between "think different" and think useful. The clickwheel isn't enough.

really good voice recognition could take the place of a keypad (for numerals, that is).

it might even make for pretty fast texting too...
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Originally Posted by chromos

really good voice recognition could take the place of a keypad (for numerals, that is).

it might even make for pretty fast texting too...

No, it couldn't.

Texting is for when you CAN"T talk. There are many circumstances when voice control won't be appropriate. You might not want someone to know who you're calling. you might want to get to a site on the internet. Do you really want to talk out all of those commands?

What if the environment is too noisy for the phone to get it, but not so noisy that you can't have a conversation?

There are times when it's useful, but many times when it's impossible.
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I don't know about the US Market but a significant portion of the UK market has a set of white iPod headphones in their ears with one opposable thumb on the click wheel and a mobile phone keypad in the other; texting to anyone and everyone.

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One father told child safety and parenting group Childalert that he had discovered his 16-year-old daughter was spending £20 a week plus all her school dinner money on texting her friends.

As I understand it texts are such a money spinners (4-12 pence per 160 characters network bandwidth and some texts cost £1.50 to rx!) that UK contract phones must have the text option just one button from the main screen.

I don't send more than 3 or 4 texts a month but I do want the capability there and a click wheel just won't do. (Although I hope we see the click wheel there for most of the navigation).
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Originally Posted by melgross

No, it couldn't.

Texting is for when you CAN"T talk. There are many circumstances when voice control won't be appropriate. You might not want someone to know who you're calling. you might want to get to a site on the internet. Do you really want to talk out all of those commands?

What if the environment is too noisy for the phone to get it, but not so noisy that you can't have a conversation?

There are times when it's useful, but many times when it's impossible.

Oo, you're right, forgot about those times. Well then, how about a very good subvocalization sensor?
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